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kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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The right wing in the US only really has Fox, most conservatives would consider all others as liberal (whether they are or not). Conservatives' specialty is depth and their social media game.

Disagree. It's nowhere near that sparse for them. The right wing echochamber dominates talk radio, has all of Sinclair broadcasting. What repug has ever called OAN 'liberal'? Have you heard of RSNB? I've witnessed several magats cling to Newsmax dreck on occasion. Fox Noise has a scary new lady that destroys cohosts with logic and facts, it's driven some viewers away. Having narratives challenged from a safe space hurts the feels afterall.

You look at Truth Social and you see depth, expertise? Really?
 

Indus

Lifer
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You know that's just crying sour grapes. All these things can't be proven in court any more than Trump's claims of stolen election in 2020.

How about just coming up with more popular policy positions so these shenanigans don't have a chance to work?

Because complaining about them saying "Migrants are eating the cats, eating the dogs and trump bullying migrants" isn't likely to win votes as much as economic policy but no..

The dems must make a pariah out of Bernie Sanders, AOC and get in bed with neocons like Liz Cheney.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
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You know that's just crying sour grapes. All these things can't be proven in court any more than Trump's claims of stolen election in 2020.

How about just coming up with more popular policy positions so these shenanigans don't have a chance to work?

Because complaining about them saying "Migrants are eating the cats, eating the dogs and trump bullying migrants" isn't likely to win votes as much as economic policy but no..

The dems must make a pariah out of Bernie Sanders, AOC and get in bed with neocons like Liz Cheney.
While I'm inclined to think there are not likely 4 million disenfranchised votes during the election, let's be quite clear that there is mountains of evidence that Republicans actively engage in voter suppression. Voter ID laws, removing names from voter rolls during protected periods, closing down polling locations, passing laws to prevent volunteers from handing out water to voters in line...the lost goes on.

On the contrary, trump had 0 evidence of potential "stealing" of the 2020 election.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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You know that's just crying sour grapes. All these things can't be proven in court any more than Trump's claims of stolen election in 2020.

How about just coming up with more popular policy positions so these shenanigans don't have a chance to work?

Because complaining about them saying "Migrants are eating the cats, eating the dogs and trump bullying migrants" isn't likely to win votes as much as economic policy but no..

The dems must make a pariah out of Bernie Sanders, AOC and get in bed with neocons like Liz Cheney.
How about trans people are trying to rape your children?
 

Indus

Lifer
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How about trans people are trying to rape your children?

Maybe that moved the needle for religious folks and those wanting to say Tranny tranny tranny like Nancy Mace but don't think it moved the needle for anyone else.

Instead the ads of the libs are trying to cut your underage son's balls off and make them into girls would have hit deeper with normal folks who still care about their boys still being boys.

But that's super easy to counter with the right message.. like the government has no right to decide what you or your kid wants.. it's up to you and dems will always respect your privacy.

Did the dems do that? Nope.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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The right wing in the US only really has Fox, most conservatives would consider all others as liberal (whether they are or not). Conservatives' specialty is depth and their social media game.
The mediasphere consists of much more than cable news. Podcasts, owning Twitter, FB leaning right - these are all part of the mediasphere

On top of that the other mainstream media is not liberal. Most of the rest of the mainstream media totally sanewashed Trump and both sidesed the parties. That was all strongly in favor of Trump.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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Maybe that moved the needle for religious folks and those wanting to say Tranny tranny tranny like Nancy Mace but don't think it moved the needle for anyone else.

Instead the ads of the libs are trying to cut your underage son's balls off and make them into girls would have hit deeper with normal folks who still care about their boys still being boys.

But that's super easy to counter with the right message.. like the government has no right to decide what you or your kid wants.. it's up to you and dems will always respect your privacy.

Did the dems do that? Nope.
You are in the same mindset as squished, as if any one of the thousand cuts were the actual cut that killed you. It was not ONE cut. It was thousands.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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You are in the same mindset as squished, as if any one of the thousand cuts were the actual cut that killed you. It was not ONE cut. It was thousands.
lol I have stated multiple times the multiple ways we lost this election, wtf are you talking about? Absolute nonsense.

In fact, in the very first post of this thread I acknowledged teh other factors which went against Dems briefly but explained this thread was about how the Dems fucked up - we can try and help our own party evolve IF we learn the mistakes. So please, read first. This was abotu what Dems could have controlled and clearly acknowledging there were other big issues involved as well.


Save the date.

The Democrats faced an uphill battle. The massive right-wing media sphere, especially including social media, and also a complicit mainstream media, the general shittiness of humanity which is easy to appeal to with hate.

But let's face it. The things that we as Democrats could have controlled, were miserable.


Biden completely fucked this country, and the Democrats went along with it. They failed to adjust their messaging and strategies enough as well, they didn't understand the situation correctly.
 
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Indus

Lifer
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You are in the same mindset as squished, as if any one of the thousand cuts were the actual cut that killed you. It was not ONE cut. It was thousands.

We're nothing alike.

I'm way left of squishy on healthcare and LGBT issues, way right of squishy on migrants and taxes.

The media drummed up the hate of migrants and quite honestly.. after experiencing it myself.. I have to say they were right. There's also things we don't see on the surface with what these migrants do.. we all think they're good, but there's sophisticated criminal scamming organizations out there which exist for one purpose.. to steal money and to send it back home overseas.

This is just a few examples:



So can you really blame people if their hate of migrants runs deep?
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
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Maybe that moved the needle for religious folks and those wanting to say Tranny tranny tranny like Nancy Mace but don't think it moved the needle for anyone else.

Instead the ads of the libs are trying to cut your underage son's balls off and make them into girls would have hit deeper with normal folks who still care about their boys still being boys.

But that's super easy to counter with the right message.. like the government has no right to decide what you or your kid wants.. it's up to you and dems will always respect your privacy.

Did the dems do that? Nope.
And the racism didn't move the needle? Blacks stealing pets and eating them?

Tough to fight when so many are willing to believe shit like this
 
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kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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The mediasphere consists of much more than cable news. Podcasts, owning Twitter, FB leaning right - these are all part of the mediasphere

On top of that the other mainstream media is not liberal. Most of the rest of the mainstream media totally sanewashed Trump and both sidesed the parties. That was all strongly in favor of Trump.

This.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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Disagree. It's nowhere near that sparse for them. The right wing echochamber dominates talk radio, has all of Sinclair broadcasting. What repug has ever called OAN 'liberal'? Have you heard of RSNB? I've witnessed several magats cling to Newsmax dreck on occasion. Fox Noise has a scary new lady that destroys cohosts with logic and facts, it's driven some viewers away. Having narratives challenged from a safe space hurts the feels afterall.

You look at Truth Social and you see depth, expertise? Really?
Sorry, to clarify, I meant broadcast networks (OAN and various RU-backed 'media' I'm not counting here). I may have also used the wrong word with 'depth', I didn't mean cognitive depth, I meant more like penetration with audience. Liberal media tends to carpet bomb, conservative media uses bunker busters.
The mediasphere consists of much more than cable news. Podcasts, owning Twitter, FB leaning right - these are all part of the mediasphere

On top of that the other mainstream media is not liberal. Most of the rest of the mainstream media totally sanewashed Trump and both sidesed the parties. That was all strongly in favor of Trump.
I guess I can agree with that, I was more considering traditional news reporting. Yes, conservatives hit hard in their respective online realms.

I agree, far too much sanewashing with Trump though.
 

iRONic

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JFC!

In other words, vote suppression cost Kamala Harris no less than 3,565,000 votes. Harris would have topped Trump’s official total by 1.2 million. Most important, this 2.3% suppression factor undoubtedly cost Harris the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia. If not for the wholesale attack on votes and voters, Harris would have won the election with 286 Electoral votes.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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lol I have stated multiple times the multiple ways we lost this election, wtf are you talking about? Absolute nonsense.

In fact, in the very first post of this thread I acknowledged teh other factors which went against Dems briefly but explained this thread was about how the Dems fucked up - we can try and help our own party evolve IF we learn the mistakes. So please, read first. This was abotu what Dems could have controlled and clearly acknowledging there were other big issues involved as well.
But the point is that it wasnt just dems that fucked up. And lets be honest, you did zoom in on Biden there for a second.

This is what you have to come to terms with: The coup didnt start yesterday, it's been rolling for years, count in extreme gerrymandering voter roll purges, physical voter suppression(less ballot boxes in dem heavy areas), cable media, podcast media, the fucking Twitter buyout SO ON AND SO ON ...

It's a FUCKING SIEGE.

And you, and Indus, are zero'ing in on single issue stuff.

You have to come to terms with the rules of the game you are playing OR YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE AGAIN.
 
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