American pitbull attack

[So]

I seriously hope that there is nobody out there in favor of gun control but against pitbull control.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
Yes, I fully agree. And to adopt any Pitbull from any shelter the owner goes through a lengthy process before taking the animal home (Well most shelters do this). The employees of the shelter will go to the owners' home to inspect the property. And usually run a background check on the prospective owners as well.

In your opinion, what would be the proper way of trying to combat this?

Well, the first step would be to run a study and see if the shelter-adopted dogs (or at least the ones from shelters who screen potential owners) are the problem...I'm guessing they are not, or at least a much smaller fraction of the problem. Second step would be to shut down other sources of the dogs...after all, presumably the ones who get chained up in the back yard as attack dogs weren't purchased at a shelter. So, find out who's breeding them and selling them to irresponsible owners, and stop that. Maybe this could be funded by exacting fines on owners whose dogs have been attacking people.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Originally posted by: lyssword
I believe all pitbulls should be banned. If I had the chance I would shoot them all. As far as German Shepperds go, their anger is more reflective of what their owner intends, so all that german shepperd does is directly owner's fault. Pitbulls on the other hand don't deserve to exist as pets, It's like having a giant poisonous snake as a pet..ban them..

You can join Ronstang in your quest to conquer the attack of the Pitbulls.

Just like you said, "As far as German Shepperds go, their anger is more reflective of what their owner intends, so all that german shepperd does is directly owner's fault" This goes for all breeds that can have a mean disposition. Do some homework.

And are you speaking out of personal experience or just what you've seen or read?

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
Was the other dog provoked in any way?

I love pitbulls but I think you should definitley take this matter in with the police as soon as possible. Don't wait another minute. Owner should be punished for leaving their animal unleashed.

It does not matter if the pitbull was provoked, it was loose and running around the street. File a police report

 

[handoverfist]

Originally posted by: doze
Do these people regularly let their pit bill run around, or did the dog escape? If the dog runs loose then you need to call animal control, and let the owners deal with the consequences. If the dog happened to get out then have a talk with the neighbors about securing their dog. My aunt and uncle had a pitbull and once it grew to full size it could jump their 6 foot tall fence so they had to go electric to keep the dog in.

Well she said her kids were playing in the backyard, and a ball got thrown over the fence and they went to go it. Kids will be kids, and I guess they accidentally let the dog out. The mother should have known better in the first place. I place all blame on her. This is not the first time this dog has gotten loose.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
Yes, I fully agree. And to adopt any Pitbull from any shelter the owner goes through a lengthy process before taking the animal home (Well most shelters do this). The employees of the shelter will go to the owners' home to inspect the property. And usually run a background check on the prospective owners as well.

In your opinion, what would be the proper way of trying to combat this?

Well, the first step would be to run a study and see if the shelter-adopted dogs (or at least the ones from shelters who screen potential owners) are the problem...I'm guessing they are not, or at least a much smaller fraction of the problem. Second step would be to shut down other sources of the dogs...after all, presumably the ones who get chained up in the back yard as attack dogs weren't purchased at a shelter. So, find out who's breeding them and selling them to irresponsible owners, and stop that. Maybe this could be funded by exacting fines on owners whose dogs have been attacking people.

I agree. Measures such as what you described above should be put in place. However, how do you do that? The costs for such a thing would be high and I don't think the Federal Government nor State Governments would fork out the money for that. I think that irresponsible owners should have their animals taken away from them if the state, police, humane society, deems the owners careless and or irresponsible without question then carefully screen new owners.

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: lyssword
I believe all pitbulls should be banned. If I had the chance I would shoot them all. As far as German Shepperds go, their anger is more reflective of what their owner intends, so all that german shepperd does is directly owner's fault. Pitbulls on the other hand don't deserve to exist as pets, It's like having a giant poisonous snake as a pet..ban them..

You can join Ronstang in your quest to conquer the attack of the Pitbulls.

Just like you said, "As far as German Shepperds go, their anger is more reflective of what their owner intends, so all that german shepperd does is directly owner's fault" This goes for all breeds that can have a mean disposition. Do some homework.

And are you speaking out of personal experience or just what you've seen or read?

I've heard many stories of pitbulls attacking and not letting go, for example a pitbull attacked a cow on its neck and its owner was not able to get it to stop, he had to bash the pitbulls head (and after pitbull died, pry open his jaws) with a crowbar and the cow still died (not in U.S) Also I've seen many reports of pitbulls attacking children (news,etc) this is the kind of animal that is practically braindead, even if you train it a lot you can never be safe.
As for German Sheppard, we had a neighbor who was most likely a druggie, and she really didn't like us. She was starving/beating her German Sheppard and then letting it go without a leash to run around. The dog attacked me, but luckily I was on the porch and there was a big carton box, so I shielded myself with it and got inside. Later that dog attacked my lil bro and bit him. The animal services came and I think took away the dog or something like that..

 

[funkbass81]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
Was the other dog provoked in any way? How do you know it was an American? Just ruling out if this is shens or not.

The other dog being provoked is totally IRRELEVANT. The OP's dad was in HIS yard with his dog on a leash. The Pitbull was loose and running. The pitbull is at fault no matter what transpired. The owner is an idiot, as are most people who own Pitbulls. I would have shot the Pitbull in my yard and dealt with the consequences.

I disagree to a point. In my opinion, the dog (pitbull or not) is not at fault for this incident. It's the owner who was careless with this type of breed of dog. Pitbulls take a lot of attention and training to make sure they're suitable for society which is obvious the owner didn't do a good enough job at. Please do not make a statement like that again regarding that most people who own pitbulls are idiots. That's false and bias.

Most people who own Pitbulls are idiots. There, I said it again. I don't care if you own one and take offense. The operative word is MOST. Having a dog that cannot be trusted NOT to attack other animals or people says alot about the type of person who would own such a breed. The breed is rather useless as a pet but people with a penchant for "macho" things tend to get dogs of this type. You read about unprovoked Pitbull attacks all the time. There is definitely something wrong with this breed. They do not belong in neighborhoods with other people and animals. If you have to have one of these worthless dogs do so in the country.

Telling me the Pitbull owner in this case is at fault changes nothing. The dog attacked another dog on that dog's property. If it would have happened in my yard the Pitbull would have been dead.

Such a tough guy. Who's "macho" now?

All dogs can be agressive regardless of the breed. Do some homework on German Shepards and a small breed, Miniature Dobermans for example. All dogs can be agressive. It all depends on the owners. Pitbulls are great family pets, believe it or not. I've never met or had a dog with such a personailty as Pitbulls. But then again, the media says differently so it must be so.

did you skip over the report i sited? you Pitbull fanbois are in denial.

I'm not in denial. Maybe your reading comprehension is a little off tonight :wine: I never once denied that pitbulls can be agressive. They can be, so can any dog. All dogs have the pack instinct and agressive nature, some more than others. It's the owners' responsibility to learn about their animals before proceeding with ownership.

Now back to the topic. Report the incident.

the owner isn't 100% to blame. this is what bugs me about pit owners. they are in denial that the breed is inherently dangerous or they pacify it by saying, "other breeds are more aggressive". i believe pits top the aggression list.

that you blieve it doesnt make it fact.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: lyssword
I believe all pitbulls should be banned. If I had the chance I would shoot them all. As far as German Shepperds go, their anger is more reflective of what their owner intends, so all that german shepperd does is directly owner's fault. Pitbulls on the other hand don't deserve to exist as pets, It's like having a giant poisonous snake as a pet..ban them..

You can join Ronstang in your quest to conquer the attack of the Pitbulls.

Just like you said, "As far as German Shepperds go, their anger is more reflective of what their owner intends, so all that german shepperd does is directly owner's fault" This goes for all breeds that can have a mean disposition. Do some homework.

And are you speaking out of personal experience or just what you've seen or read?

I have to chime in here... Shepards anger is very much an extension of their owner's anger. When I was little, my mom and dad had a shepard that was really nice and followed me everywhere and watched me and whatnot (we lived waaay out in teh country). mom and dad split and dad became angry / depressed. that shepard died, so he got another one from the same breeder, a friend of the family. A few months later it attacked me, biting my head and dragging me around. I still have puncture scars in my left eye socket and under my chin. It got me a total of three times, each one worse than the last. It was then put down by court order (or something similar) because my dad liked it and didn't want to give it up.

My roomie is going to be getting a pit or mix from the animal shelter in the next few months... she's 19 and has never owned a dog anything like it, and she just wants to get it to be 'cool.' I have cans of mace and some spray specifically designed to stop dog attacks hidden all over the house in case her dog goes after my cat. if it even so much as nips my hand it's getting put down or given away, preferably put down.

Dogs (especially terriers) are weapons, not pets. jsut like golden retrievers die of tumors from so much inbreeding for looks, pits are unstable and can snap at any time becuase they have been bred to fight. I'll also join the 'kill them all' campaign, especially now that they are a status symbol rather than a pet and people who have no business owning them go out and buy them to look cool.

 

[Mare of Earth]

Some people love their pit bulls, some really really love their pit bulls.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Canai
Dogs (especially terriers) are weapons, not pets. jsut like golden retrievers die of tumors from so much inbreeding for looks, pits are unstable and can snap at any time becuase they have been bred to fight. I'll also join the 'kill them all' campaign, especially now that they are a status symbol rather than a pet and people who have no business owning them go out and buy them to look cool.

That sort of attitude really disturbs me about humanity in general. We made 'em that way, we're responsible for them. Maybe we should have a "breeding-down" program to try to remove some of that aggression, instead of just killing thousands of living creatures for being what they are, when we made them that way. Living creatures aren't appliances.

I'm sure this will only get worse if genetic engineering ever gets into full swing...

 

[Canai]

We have turned them into tools, and every tool can be abused. A few months ago some guy here in madison was arrested for running a pit fighting ring. more than 50 dogs were siezed, many missing legs and eyes. All of them had to be put down because they had been used for fighting. I vote we 'breed-down' the people who abuse their tools as well as the animals themselves.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: lyssword
I believe all pitbulls should be banned. If I had the chance I would shoot them all. As far as German Shepperds go, their anger is more reflective of what their owner intends, so all that german shepperd does is directly owner's fault. Pitbulls on the other hand don't deserve to exist as pets, It's like having a giant poisonous snake as a pet..ban them..

You can join Ronstang in your quest to conquer the attack of the Pitbulls.

Just like you said, "As far as German Shepperds go, their anger is more reflective of what their owner intends, so all that german shepperd does is directly owner's fault" This goes for all breeds that can have a mean disposition. Do some homework.

And are you speaking out of personal experience or just what you've seen or read?

I have to chime in here... Shepards anger is very much an extension of their owner's anger. When I was little, my mom and dad had a shepard that was really nice and followed me everywhere and watched me and whatnot (we lived waaay out in teh country). mom and dad split and dad became angry / depressed. that shepard died, so he got another one from the same breeder, a friend of the family. A few months later it attacked me, biting my head and dragging me around. I still have puncture scars in my left eye socket and under my chin. It got me a total of three times, each one worse than the last. It was then put down by court order (or something similar) because my dad liked it and didn't want to give it up.

My roomie is going to be getting a pit or mix from the animal shelter in the next few months... she's 19 and has never owned a dog anything like it, and she just wants to get it to be 'cool.' I have cans of mace and some spray specifically designed to stop dog attacks hidden all over the house in case her dog goes after my cat. if it even so much as nips my hand it's getting put down or given away, preferably put down.

Dogs (especially terriers) are weapons, not pets. jsut like golden retrievers die of tumors from so much inbreeding for looks, pits are unstable and can snap at any time becuase they have been bred to fight. I'll also join the 'kill them all' campaign, especially now that they are a status symbol rather than a pet and people who have no business owning them go out and buy them to look cool.

Your right about the Shepards. Shepards are very smart and are a direct portrait of the owner. This can be true of Pits as well. It sucks that an animal has to be labled as a status symbol. For me it's always been the personality rather than their looks. Sure they look mean and agressive but they can be such loving animals. They have a unique character.

With your roomate, I would either move out or forbid her to get the animal especially knowing she doesn't have any experience with dogs or Pits specifically. Pitbulls are a unique breed that requires a unique owner to maintain them. Sounds like your roomate is not the one for a Pit. If she doesn't listen to you, I would talk to the shelter and have them do an inspection of your premises. Chances are they won't allow her to own the animal.

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: lyssword
I believe all pitbulls should be banned. If I had the chance I would shoot them all. As far as German Shepperds go, their anger is more reflective of what their owner intends, so all that german shepperd does is directly owner's fault. Pitbulls on the other hand don't deserve to exist as pets, It's like having a giant poisonous snake as a pet..ban them..

You can join Ronstang in your quest to conquer the attack of the Pitbulls.

Just like you said, "As far as German Shepperds go, their anger is more reflective of what their owner intends, so all that german shepperd does is directly owner's fault" This goes for all breeds that can have a mean disposition. Do some homework.

And are you speaking out of personal experience or just what you've seen or read?

I have to chime in here... Shepards anger is very much an extension of their owner's anger. When I was little, my mom and dad had a shepard that was really nice and followed me everywhere and watched me and whatnot (we lived waaay out in teh country). mom and dad split and dad became angry / depressed. that shepard died, so he got another one from the same breeder, a friend of the family. A few months later it attacked me, biting my head and dragging me around. I still have puncture scars in my left eye socket and under my chin. It got me a total of three times, each one worse than the last. It was then put down by court order (or something similar) because my dad liked it and didn't want to give it up.

My roomie is going to be getting a pit or mix from the animal shelter in the next few months... she's 19 and has never owned a dog anything like it, and she just wants to get it to be 'cool.' I have cans of mace and some spray specifically designed to stop dog attacks hidden all over the house in case her dog goes after my cat. if it even so much as nips my hand it's getting put down or given away, preferably put down.

Dogs (especially terriers) are weapons, not pets. jsut like golden retrievers die of tumors from so much inbreeding for looks, pits are unstable and can snap at any time becuase they have been bred to fight. I'll also join the 'kill them all' campaign, especially now that they are a status symbol rather than a pet and people who have no business owning them go out and buy them to look cool.

Someone needs to strike your roommate about the head hard , fast and several hundred times. To get a dog especially one that needs special training and handling to be "cool" is fvcking stupid. I see nothing but pain in your future for you and your cat. Who's name is first on the lease because if its you, then you should tell your room mate no to the pitbull.

 

[Canai]

here's that story I was talkign about http://www.channel3000.com/news/9370623/detail.html

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: tyler811


Someone needs to strike your roommate about the head hard , fast and several hundred times. To get a dog especially one that needs special training and handling to be "cool" is fvcking stupid. I see nothing but pain in your future for you and your cat. Who's name is first on the lease because if its you, then you should tell your room mate no to the pitbull.

I already made it clear that if it does anything to harm me or my cat it's gone. hopefully (since she's rather lazy) she won't get serious about it until after I move out. Next august. I can still wish eh?

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: tyler811


Someone needs to strike your roommate about the head hard , fast and several hundred times. To get a dog especially one that needs special training and handling to be "cool" is fvcking stupid. I see nothing but pain in your future for you and your cat. Who's name is first on the lease because if its you, then you should tell your room mate no to the pitbull.

I already made it clear that if it does anything to harm me or my cat it's gone. hopefully (since she's rather lazy) she won't get serious about it until after I move out. Next august. I can still wish eh?

But why not take the proper steps to avoid the conflict in the first place by going to the humane society to have your premises and roomate screened?

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: tyler811


Someone needs to strike your roommate about the head hard , fast and several hundred times. To get a dog especially one that needs special training and handling to be "cool" is fvcking stupid. I see nothing but pain in your future for you and your cat. Who's name is first on the lease because if its you, then you should tell your room mate no to the pitbull.

I already made it clear that if it does anything to harm me or my cat it's gone. hopefully (since she's rather lazy) she won't get serious about it until after I move out. Next august. I can still wish eh?

I would not even take the chance, all it takes is one time.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: tyler811


Someone needs to strike your roommate about the head hard , fast and several hundred times. To get a dog especially one that needs special training and handling to be "cool" is fvcking stupid. I see nothing but pain in your future for you and your cat. Who's name is first on the lease because if its you, then you should tell your room mate no to the pitbull.

I already made it clear that if it does anything to harm me or my cat it's gone. hopefully (since she's rather lazy) she won't get serious about it until after I move out. Next august. I can still wish eh?

But why not take the proper steps to avoid the conflict in the first place by going to the humane society to have your premises and roomate screened?

Well, she was already rejected by the pitbull rescue so hoepfully the humane society will do something similar.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: tyler811


Someone needs to strike your roommate about the head hard , fast and several hundred times. To get a dog especially one that needs special training and handling to be "cool" is fvcking stupid. I see nothing but pain in your future for you and your cat. Who's name is first on the lease because if its you, then you should tell your room mate no to the pitbull.

I already made it clear that if it does anything to harm me or my cat it's gone. hopefully (since she's rather lazy) she won't get serious about it until after I move out. Next august. I can still wish eh?

But why not take the proper steps to avoid the conflict in the first place by going to the humane society to have your premises and roomate screened?

Well, she was already rejected by the pitbull rescue so hoepfully the humane society will do something similar.

Good to hear. I'm sure the humane society will also take the necessary measures.

 

[Kirby]

any dog that bites any property or limb of mine will be shot. period.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Originally posted by: nkgreen
any dog that bites any property or limb of mine will be shot. period.

Would that go for your own?

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: funkbass81

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
Was the other dog provoked in any way? How do you know it was an American? Just ruling out if this is shens or not.

The other dog being provoked is totally IRRELEVANT. The OP's dad was in HIS yard with his dog on a leash. The Pitbull was loose and running. The pitbull is at fault no matter what transpired. The owner is an idiot, as are most people who own Pitbulls. I would have shot the Pitbull in my yard and dealt with the consequences.

I disagree to a point. In my opinion, the dog (pitbull or not) is not at fault for this incident. It's the owner who was careless with this type of breed of dog. Pitbulls take a lot of attention and training to make sure they're suitable for society which is obvious the owner didn't do a good enough job at. Please do not make a statement like that again regarding that most people who own pitbulls are idiots. That's false and bias.

Most people who own Pitbulls are idiots. There, I said it again. I don't care if you own one and take offense. The operative word is MOST. Having a dog that cannot be trusted NOT to attack other animals or people says alot about the type of person who would own such a breed. The breed is rather useless as a pet but people with a penchant for "macho" things tend to get dogs of this type. You read about unprovoked Pitbull attacks all the time. There is definitely something wrong with this breed. They do not belong in neighborhoods with other people and animals. If you have to have one of these worthless dogs do so in the country.

Telling me the Pitbull owner in this case is at fault changes nothing. The dog attacked another dog on that dog's property. If it would have happened in my yard the Pitbull would have been dead.

Such a tough guy. Who's "macho" now?

All dogs can be agressive regardless of the breed. Do some homework on German Shepards and a small breed, Miniature Dobermans for example. All dogs can be agressive. It all depends on the owners. Pitbulls are great family pets, believe it or not. I've never met or had a dog with such a personailty as Pitbulls. But then again, the media says differently so it must be so.

did you skip over the report i sited? you Pitbull fanbois are in denial.

I'm not in denial. Maybe your reading comprehension is a little off tonight :wine: I never once denied that pitbulls can be agressive. They can be, so can any dog. All dogs have the pack instinct and agressive nature, some more than others. It's the owners' responsibility to learn about their animals before proceeding with ownership.

Now back to the topic. Report the incident.

the owner isn't 100% to blame. this is what bugs me about pit owners. they are in denial that the breed is inherently dangerous or they pacify it by saying, "other breeds are more aggressive". i believe pits top the aggression list.

that you blieve it doesnt make it fact.

Simply because pits top some sort of "aggression list" doesn't necessary mean the breed itself is anymore dangerous than any other breed out there. Correlation does not = causation.

It's possible that the average pitbull is inherently more prone to violence than another breed's. However, it's also possible that pitbulls seemingly attack more often not because of their own inherent traits, but because of the self-selection that occurs in many pitbull owners (i.e. pitbull owners might be more likely to incorrectly train their dogs than are owners of other breeds).

 

[lyssword]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull some info