American soldiers disobeying orders...

Queasy

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these are soldiers of the country that Nelson Mandela says ?doesn?t care about human beings.?

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Mona Charen

American soldiers have been disobeying orders. According to The Washington Times, some members of the Army's Civil Affairs Brigade stationed at Umm Qasr are routinely tucking extra cases of bottled water into their Humvees to distribute to thirsty Iraqi civilians. This is against regulations, as rations for soldiers are meant to be kept separate from relief to the civilian population.
But there are problems with the water supply to this region. Though military planners had hoped to have a pipeline and water-delivery system providing fresh drinking water to Iraqi civilians running smoothly by now, there have been snags. The drivers assigned to truck water from the pipeline to populated areas have sometimes taken bribes to sell the water to farmers, instead, or have attempted to gouge the locals. The parched civilians who do reach water trucks are frequently trampled in the tumult that surrounds a delivery.
And so American GIs are tucking extra water into their Humvees and handing it out to civilians ? in some cases to the point where our soldiers are going without. The Navy Seabees have also leaped into action, rigging up two reverse-osmosis machines to remove the salt from seawater. "Officially, we're here to generate water for military use," said Petty Officer Ralph Moore, "but unofficially, we do what we can to help."
Has there ever before in history been an invading force that was more careful of enemy civilians than the enemy itself? The coalition is killing large numbers of Iraqis who choose to die for Saddam, but has made it abundantly clear we are not at war with the people of Iraq and wish to spare them as far as humanly possible.
The lights and power in Baghdad remain on (except when the regime darkens the capital for its own reasons), and the provision of humanitarian relief has been a top priority since the onset of hostilities. The Saddamites, of course, are trying every disgusting trick they know ? from using schools and hospitals as military bases; to firing from inside mosques; to literally driving women and children before soldiers into battle ? to encourage civilian casualties. Coalition forces have declined to oblige.
Of course there is tragedy in the fate of many Iraqis who feel they have no choice but to die for Saddam. His goons have reportedly entered the homes of thousands, threatening that children would be murdered if older boys and men did not go out to fight for Saddam. But this is part of the ongoing tragedy of Saddam's vicious rule. As Walter Russell Mead has pointed out, for every year that Saddam held power, 60,000 Iraqi children between the ages of 1 and 5 died. Death of innocents is the daily reality of life under Saddam Hussein.
Our soldiers have sometimes expressed incredulity at the suicidal nature of the poorly equipped and utterly outgunned Iraqis throwing themselves at our tanks and armored personnel carriers. I can think of two possible explanations. Some are sacrificing themselves to save their families, and others, Saddam's killers, know the end is near and fear their neighbors will exact revenge when the war is over. They would prefer to die by American than by Iraqi hands.
As of this writing, the war has taken on a "Twilight Zone" quality. As members of the U.S. Army smoke cigars in one of Saddam's largest palaces, and American C-130s land at the renamed Baghdad International Airport, the Iraqi minister of information insists that rumors of an American presence in the city are false. Civilians catch buses and make purchases at markets, and the nights are punctuated by blasts from the sky that make sleep next to impossible.
No one knows if Saddam is alive or dead, but the news of Chemical Ali's demise warms the heart. A cousin of Saddam's, Ali was the enforcer who gassed thousands of Iraqi Kurds in northern Iraq and brutally suppressed the uprising in Basra following the Gulf war in 1991. (This war, for what it's worth, will probably become known as the Iraq war, not the Second Gulf war.)
There are no shades of gray in this war. At its conclusion, which God willing will come soon, we will celebrate the victory of light over darkness. War is a nasty, uncivilized, brutal business. But with that caveat, it is no exaggeration to boast that U.S. and British forces are now fighting the most humanitarian war in history.


Mona Charen is a nationally syndicated columnist.
 

etech

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Queasy

It's not worth trying to say something nice about our troops actually doing some good when Moonie is around. He'll just crap all over the thread for his own reasons. It's rather sad, a nice story about the troops working to help provide the Iraqis with some water and bending the rules to do so and he can't even say good job or even better for him, say nothing at all.

I will,

Good job troops.
 

Perknose

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I second etech on the "Good job, troops!" and I like Moonie's provocative and pithy response.
 

Judgement

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And so American GIs are tucking extra water into their Humvees and handing it out to civilians ? in some cases to the point where our soldiers are going without. The Navy Seabees have also leaped into action, rigging up two reverse-osmosis machines to remove the salt from seawater. "Officially, we're here to generate water for military use," said Petty Officer Ralph Moore, "but unofficially, we do what we can to help."

I couldn't be anymore proud of U.S. troops then I currently am.
 

Tiger

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Yep, sounds like "Invaders" and "Colonialist Crusaders" to me.


Everybody knows Moonbeam has been disconnected from this reality for a long time. He just chews up bandwidth.
 

Kaiynne

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Firstly We need to seperate the people in the military from the people who are coming up with the policies that put them there.
The response of these military personel to the obvious hardship around them, is amazing, they are doing something that is at least helping a few people. But lets not take their actions and use it to defend the actions of the people who put them there. That is faulty reasoning. The fact that human beings who happen to be soldiers are trying to do everything they can to help the people that are suffering does not absolve the US governement from the actions that they have committed nor does it justify them, and to use these soldiers actions to that end is frankly despicable. It should be hoped that any human being in their position would attempt to help another in distress, and they are living up to that hope, which is great. Don't try and use that fact towards anything more than hoping that others will see their actions and attempt to emulate them.
 

NesuD

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
War is peace and death is life.

another useless comment that means nothing except to the feeble mind that posted it.
Glad to see they are doing what they can to help the innocent iraqi citizenry.
 

NesuD

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Originally posted by: Kaiynne
Firstly We need to seperate the people in the military from the people who are coming up with the policies that put them there.
The response of these military personel to the obvious hardship around them, is amazing, they are doing something that is at least helping a few people. But lets not take their actions and use it to defend the actions of the people who put them there. That is faulty reasoning. The fact that human beings who happen to be soldiers are trying to do everything they can to help the people that are suffering does not absolve the US governement from the actions that they have committed nor does it justify them, and to use these soldiers actions to that end is frankly despicable. It should be hoped that any human being in their position would attempt to help another in distress, and they are living up to that hope, which is great. Don't try and use that fact towards anything more than hoping that others will see their actions and attempt to emulate them.

Morph, is that you? that is the most ridiculous drivel i have seen posted today.
I pick my nose at you!
 

paulj2

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Originally posted by: Kaiynne
Firstly We need to seperate the people in the military from the people who are coming up with the policies that put them there.
The response of these military personel to the obvious hardship around them, is amazing, they are doing something that is at least helping a few people. But lets not take their actions and use it to defend the actions of the people who put them there. That is faulty reasoning. The fact that human beings who happen to be soldiers are trying to do everything they can to help the people that are suffering does not absolve the US governement from the actions that they have committed nor does it justify them, and to use these soldiers actions to that end is frankly despicable. It should be hoped that any human being in their position would attempt to help another in distress, and they are living up to that hope, which is great. Don't try and use that fact towards anything more than hoping that others will see their actions and attempt to emulate them.

Shame on you for detracting from our soldiers. You should have let Queasy's thread stand on it's on. Your statement only detracts from his.
 

Moonbeam

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Nice to see so many of the self absorbed can't tell the difference between a comment about an article from the content mentioned in the article.

Who should be surprised or egotsitcally jacked up by the decency of American soldiers. Who on earth would be more likely to be decent, people who have never tasted freedom or known any form of justice. The only thing that gets me off about our troups is the rare occassions where they run amok and succomb to darker forces. From real winners we expect greatness not mean spirited small minded vindetta or spite. My comment to the article was to its author who felt, out of some obvious guilt, a need to pump him and others of the same ilk up with platitudes and smarmy adolations designed to protect his delicate sensitivites as to the horror and evil of war. The author, im my opinion, should be ashamed:

There are no shades of gray in this war. (Bull, an out and put propagandistic lie) At its conclusion, which God willing (Riiiiiiiiight, God is on our side in the killing) will come soon, we will celebrate the victory of light over darkness (RIIIGHT, the war was about light over darkness. and not a New American Century) War is a nasty, uncivilized, brutal business. But (And here comes the but) with that caveat, it is no exaggeration to boast that U.S. and British forces are now fighting the most humanitarian war in history. (RIIIIIIIIIGHT the killing and deaths of thousands in the insanity of war is a great humanitarian triumph. Not for the dead. Only the insane and detached celebrate a humanitarian war. War is always a symbol and sure sign of human failure.)




 

Tiger

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Firstly We need to seperate the people in the military from the people who are coming up with the policies that put them there.
No we don't. I suspect that a large percentage of the people there realize what we are doing was neccesary. The citizens of this country sure do by an 81% to 19% ratio (latest Fox news/Opinion dynamics poll). Most importantly the "Arab Street" doesn't differentiate.
The response of these military personel to the obvious hardship around them, is amazing, they are doing something that is at least helping a few people. But lets not take their actions and use it to defend the actions of the people who put them there. That is faulty reasoning
Sour grapes.

 

AndrewR

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Ah, yes, because war is never justified, and the slaughter, torture, rape, and murder of innocents should go on, unpunished, until there are no innocents left.

That appears to be a strong anti-war tenet.
 

BamBam215

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how come the other guy got banned for his useless posts in every war thread but moonbeam is still here?
 

DaiShan

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Mandella only knows what he has been taught - racism. He overthrew apartheid because it adversely and directly affected him. People are selfish creatures, it is nothing to be ashamed of, but to campaign on this noble idea of stomping out racism while you yourself harbor racist thoughts goes beyond ludicrous and crosses over into the realm of evil. While it is admirable what he did concerning appartheid, had it been the other way around I don't think you would see Mandella trying to get white's in power.

/edit, sorry got off topic on mandella, I just dislike that man. I agree great job troops, while I may disagree with the motivations for this war, I have and will continue to support our troops.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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We just waged war on a country (and now mopping up) on the premise that killing today will produce future peace. Some people reject every notion which doesn't follow lockstep with their narrow belief system. If you spent 2 seconds . . . OK maybe for some of you 2 minutes . . . thinking about Moonie's statement it might have a little resonance.

If you believe Bush/Blair the death/destruction of this war will allow the rebirth of a great nation. They just don't like talking about the ugly beginning . . . or disheveled middle . . . just the happy ending.
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
War is peace and death is life.

You sound like mr. Bush

war begets peace and life begets death

You must kill them to free them so they can be happy as clams in an otters tummy.

 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Originally posted by: BamBam215
how come the other guy got banned for his useless posts in every war thread but moonbeam is still here?

Excellent question.

This is a no flame zone and the birds of prey are looking for the flaming pidgeons

 

yowolabi

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This is what I wrote when everyone was getting teary-eyed over the hoax story involving the soldiers who gave up their chance to call home:

"All of the criticism I've seen has been directed at the people who give the soldiers orders that aren't even fighting themselves. It's the people who ordered the soldiers that are being accused of Empire building and of putting the soldiers in a position where they harm civilians. The soldiers didn't choose to go over there, they were ordered over there. No one doubts that just like in any other group, most of them are good people and a few aren't. The people who decided why the soldiers are there are the ones who are having their motives questioned."

It's only the pro-war people who have tried to make criticism of the war into criticism of the troops. The people who protest the war are protesting the decision makers. It's ridiculous. When someone is against the war, the bullies try to make it seem like they are against the soldiers. Then when the soldiers show their humanity, the bullies say "see, they are good people, unlike what you thought." You're fabricating both sides of the argument, and then feeling smug because you burned all those straw men. That most of our soldiers are good hearted is a given. No one expects them to be any less. If stories showing the basic goodness of human beings suprise you, you should raise your expectations. Or get out more. There are great acts of kindness everywhere, everyday. It's a shame that these good people are sent to take lives without at least being given the real reason why their leaders feel it is necessary. It's an insult to everyone.
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
Ah, yes, because war is never justified, and the slaughter, torture, rape, and murder of innocents should go on, unpunished, until there are no innocents left.

That appears to be a strong anti-war tenet.

We, the US, may be the cop but, the UN is the court and it up to them, all of the nations, to determine what course of action to take.

Invasion of a nation is, well... not generally condoned, notwithstanding the human rights violations within. Should we invade ... china or cambodia or just the places that insure low US losses. Should we not be consistant? I'm not against war, if it is appropriate but, well... nuff said.

 

Moonbeam

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AndrewR:

Ah, yes, because war is never justified, and the slaughter, torture, rape, and murder of innocents should go on, unpunished, until there are no innocents left.

That appears to be a strong anti-war tenet.

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Hehe, an intelligentlt phrased question, I suppose, deserves an equally intelligent response:

Ah, yes, because war is always justified and the slaughter, massacre and killing of all should go on till only one soldier remains alive on the entire planet.

That appears to be a strong pro war tenent.
 
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