An interesting thought about tipping..

[DaTT]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: z0mb13
So lets say person A and person B goes to a regular restaurant

Person A gets a chicken sandwich, while person B gets lobster and steak

Why is it person B has to pay more for tip, since it does not require the waiter (or waitress) more effort to serve him?

Because it's customary to tip based off the bill total.
If person B has enough cash to get lobster and steak he should have enough to throw a few more bones to the server.

WRONG!....you do NOT tip on the tax, nor are you supposed to tip on any liquor served, unless all you are doing is drinking liquor. You tip based on the sub-total (before tax).

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: Malak
I tip based on service, not the bill. That is the entire point of the tip. Good service, good tip. Bad service... well sometimes they just don't deserve a tip.

If they got your food from the kitchen to your table, they deserve something.

And here's an example of that attitude I mentioned in my previous post.

If the service is horrible, you don't deserve a tip. Getting the food to the table is the bare minimum you can do! If you're rude, never check on drinks, etc, you don't deserve anything.

(I have never left NO tip, but I wouldn't rule it out entirely)

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: DaTT

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: z0mb13
So lets say person A and person B goes to a regular restaurant

Person A gets a chicken sandwich, while person B gets lobster and steak

Why is it person B has to pay more for tip, since it does not require the waiter (or waitress) more effort to serve him?

Because it's customary to tip based off the bill total.
If person B has enough cash to get lobster and steak he should have enough to throw a few more bones to the server.

WRONG!....you do NOT tip on the tax, nor are you supposed to tip on any liquor served, unless all you are doing is drinking liquor. You tip based on the sub-total (before tax).

Tipping on tax vs. before tax is really inconsequential... it's a difference of like 1% of the bill. I've never heard that you're not supposed to tip for alcohol. I always do and will continue to do so. I usually only have two beers so that's a difference in the tip of ~$1.

 

[CollectiveUnconscious]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: Malak
I tip based on service, not the bill. That is the entire point of the tip. Good service, good tip. Bad service... well sometimes they just don't deserve a tip.

If they got your food from the kitchen to your table, they deserve something.

And here's an example of that attitude I mentioned in my previous post.

If the service is horrible, you don't deserve a tip. Getting the food to the table is the bare minimum you can do! If you're rude, never check on drinks, etc, you don't deserve anything.

(I have never left NO tip, but I wouldn't rule it out entirely)

At $2.13/h, they do deserve something for delivering you your food. The method, as it is now, is a lower food price for you so you can at least give the waiter something, instead of tagging a set service fee into the price of the meal.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: Malak
I tip based on service, not the bill. That is the entire point of the tip. Good service, good tip. Bad service... well sometimes they just don't deserve a tip.

If they got your food from the kitchen to your table, they deserve something.

And here's an example of that attitude I mentioned in my previous post.

If the service is horrible, you don't deserve a tip. Getting the food to the table is the bare minimum you can do! If you're rude, never check on drinks, etc, you don't deserve anything.

(I have never left NO tip, but I wouldn't rule it out entirely)

At $2.13/h, they do deserve something for delivering you your food. The method, as it is now, is a lower food price for you so you can at least give the waiter something, instead of tagging a set service fee into the price of the meal.

You don't deserve a dime for simply bringing the food to the table.

It takes A LOT for a person not to get a tip.

 

[CollectiveUnconscious]

Originally posted by: BigJ
It takes A LOT for a person not to get a tip.

For you, maybe. But the littlest thing will give the majority customer a reason not to tip. And they'll take it.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: Malak
I tip based on service, not the bill. That is the entire point of the tip. Good service, good tip. Bad service... well sometimes they just don't deserve a tip.

If they got your food from the kitchen to your table, they deserve something.

No they don't. Their job is easier than anything else in the world. It's the extra effort they put into making the customer comfortable that is deserving the tip. I have had the job that got tips and the job that didn't. The jobs that don't get tips are a lot harder than the jobs that do. Bringing food to someone is the easiest thing in a restaurant. And I used to manage one, so I know probably as good as anyone.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: BigJ
It takes A LOT for a person not to get a tip.

For you, maybe. But the littlest thing will give the majority customer a reason not to tip. And they'll take it.

Not really.

I used to be a waiter. I was NEVER stiffed through the 5 years I waited on people, even after times when I knew I didn't deserve a tip. These were times when it wasn't really my fault, but we were so damn busy and short-staffed that there was really no way around it.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

At $2.13/h, they do deserve something for delivering you your food. The method, as it is now, is a lower food price for you so you can at least give the waiter something, instead of tagging a set service fee into the price of the meal.

Again, I disagree. If you want a tip, all you have to do is provide a somewhat acceptable level of service. Is that too much to ask? It would take a lot to get me to leave no tip at all, but if the situation came up where no tip was deserved, I would have no qualms about leaving no tip. What you make is between you and the restaurant owner, and if you can't manage to make enough to bring that $2.13 an hour up to at least minimum wage, there is something wrong with YOU, not your customers.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: BigJ
It takes A LOT for a person not to get a tip.

For you, maybe. But the littlest thing will give the majority customer a reason not to tip. And they'll take it.

OK, I'll agree with you on that one - many people are assholes about it. Many people will use any mistake as an excuse to demand to speak to the manager and expect him to give them a free meal. Those people have no business eating in a restaurant.

But if the service is HORRID, no tip is deserved.

 

[CollectiveUnconscious]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: Malak
I tip based on service, not the bill. That is the entire point of the tip. Good service, good tip. Bad service... well sometimes they just don't deserve a tip.

If they got your food from the kitchen to your table, they deserve something.

No they don't. Their job is easier than anything else in the world. It's the extra effort they put into making the customer comfortable that is deserving the tip. I have had the job that got tips and the job that didn't. The jobs that don't get tips are a lot harder than the jobs that do. Bringing food to someone is the easiest thing in a restaurant. And I used to manage one, so I know probably as good as anyone.

The job of a server is far from easy, unless you work at a cruddy restaurant. Prepping, stacking, and carrying dinner for 6 is not an easy thing. Especially in a crowded restaurant with seaters coming by every 10 seconds with a new table for you.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
At $2.13/h, they do deserve something for delivering you your food. The method, as it is now, is a lower food price for you so you can at least give the waiter something, instead of tagging a set service fee into the price of the meal.

They make over $7 per hour here, btw. I think it is completely unnacceptable for a state to allow a company to reduce a person's wages simply because they might recieve tips. That completely removes the point to the tip and basically makes the customer completely pay for the employee, increasing the profit of the business. My state, luckily, does not do this.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: Malak
I tip based on service, not the bill. That is the entire point of the tip. Good service, good tip. Bad service... well sometimes they just don't deserve a tip.

If they got your food from the kitchen to your table, they deserve something.

No they don't. Their job is easier than anything else in the world. It's the extra effort they put into making the customer comfortable that is deserving the tip. I have had the job that got tips and the job that didn't. The jobs that don't get tips are a lot harder than the jobs that do. Bringing food to someone is the easiest thing in a restaurant. And I used to manage one, so I know probably as good as anyone.

The job of a server is far from easy, unless you work at a cruddy restaurant. Prepping, stacking, and carrying dinner for 6 is not an easy thing. Especially in a crowded restaurant with seaters coming by every 10 seconds with a new table for you.

I am not 6 people. There is no prepping. I have been a server, I have friends that have been servers, I have managed servers. I would say I've never had an easier job than a server, they have hardly any responsibility. That is why you often hear customers complain when a server screws up and say their job is so easy. It is.

At one restaurant, I was told to stop tipping so much. They said they'd rather see me their more often than get tipped so much. I am not someone who doesn't tip, nor am I cheap. I have been on both sides, I have every perspective. There is only one thing a server can do to deserve a tip, and it has nothing to do with carrying food.

 

[Killerme33]

I have always wondered why certain jobs (Waiters, bartenders, valets) make less then minimum wage but get paid tips.

And that quote that says 18% is the minimum - No tips generally run 15-20% depending on quality of service.

 

[dawnbug]

Originally posted by: sleepmachine

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
Work as a server, then, and only then, will you understand. In the meantime, here's a few rules.

Learn How to Tip...

The next time your out eating at a resturant, look at your waiter, you think they are really happy to be doing that job? the answer is no, they are not. but its what we do, and we do it for the money so please help them out. Its a tougher job than you think and you should pay them accordingly!
This is for everybody who goes to a restaurant and has ever footed the bill.
OK. I'm tired of those people flooding the restaurants w/o any knowledge of how to tip. Here is a short guide for the general public to follow. Feel free to print out and store in your wallet and/or purse.


1. If you are not a child and get something from the kids menu (which we DO NOT have to do), tip as if you received an adult meal and leave the server an extra $1 @ least!

2. If you have children, DO NOT let them, open and dump anything on the table (ie; salt, sugar, etc). IF YOU DO, you must leave an extra $5 for the server to clean up YOUR CHILDS mess & to restock the now unusable wasted items. We are neither their babysitter nor their parent. The least you can do is pay us for the extra work. Also make sure you control your kids and don't let them scream or run around the restraunt. It's very distracting not to mention dangerous if they get ran over by a server with hot food in their hands.

3. If you feel the necessity to stay for longer than 15 minutes after you pay, its an extra $3 every 30 minutes (including the first 15min). We make our money from the tables. If you are in one and we cant seat it, we CANT make money.

4. Telling a server they are the best or excellent service is not a tip. If we are good, let us know by leaving us more money. We cant pay our bills on compliments. Its not that we mind the praise; its just that you say were good and then leave 10 %...this is not good. I like hearing that I did a good job, but its like in a relationship... you can tell a girl you love her a thousand times, but ACTIONS speak louder than WORDS. Tell me, but show me i did a good job with that MONEY.

5. Prayer cards and any other religious pamphlet is NOT a tip. It is insulting that you assume we are w/o religion and must save us. Again, like ..4, we cant pay bills w/prayer cards. P.S. We'd go to church on Sundays if it wasn't mandatory to work on Sundays because EVERYONE who goes to church follows it by eating out. Also don't try to preach to us while we are working. We don't go to your work and put you down so don't do it to us.

6. We know that you have just given money to God, but Sundays are not discounted tip day. 8%=NOT a good tip.

7. It is not 1960. Cost of living has gone up dramatically since then. 18% is the MINIMUM amount of what you should be tipping your servers. Just look at the tax line and multiple by 2-3, this gives you your minimum tip amount. Remember, our companies pay us 2.13 an hour! And we are taxed on 10 percent of your meal automatically anyway. So if you dont leave a tip, we end up paying for your meal.
Let me explain a little clearer. When you pay the bill, you are paying for your food. When you pay the tip, you are paying for the SERVICE.

where did you find this? it makes me want to tip them less.

I concur. I'm a pretty good tipper, and I feel that it's kind of rude for the creator of the list to insist that if I have a child with me who is messy I must tip an extra $5.

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: z0mb13
So lets say person A and person B goes to a regular restaurant

Person A gets a chicken sandwich, while person B gets lobster and steak

Why is it person B has to pay more for tip, since it does not require the waiter (or waitress) more effort to serve him?

:roll:
cheapie

by the way I never said that I dont tip

 

[DaTT]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: DaTT

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: z0mb13
So lets say person A and person B goes to a regular restaurant

Person A gets a chicken sandwich, while person B gets lobster and steak

Why is it person B has to pay more for tip, since it does not require the waiter (or waitress) more effort to serve him?

Because it's customary to tip based off the bill total.
If person B has enough cash to get lobster and steak he should have enough to throw a few more bones to the server.

WRONG!....you do NOT tip on the tax, nor are you supposed to tip on any liquor served, unless all you are doing is drinking liquor. You tip based on the sub-total (before tax).

Tipping on tax vs. before tax is really inconsequential... it's a difference of like 1% of the bill. I've never heard that you're not supposed to tip for alcohol. I always do and will continue to do so. I usually only have two beers so that's a difference in the tip of ~$1.

I guess I never put it into dollar perspective...you're right...it's only a couple bucks. I will always tip before tax total though, it just doesn't make sense to tip on something they didn't earn.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: LadyBuggy

I concur. I'm a pretty good tipper, and I feel that it's kind of rude for the creator of the list to insist that if I have a child with me who is messy I must tip an extra $5.

One might say that it's rude to let your child do the things that are mentioned in that list.

 

[CTrain]

Good God, please ban all tip threads from now on.
Like every other tip threads, it has turned into a I tip/I don't mindless arguement once again.
Do we need to go through the same debate for the 100th time ???

 

[imported_JoePa]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious


2. If you have children, DO NOT let them, open and dump anything on the table (ie; salt, sugar, etc). IF YOU DO, you must leave an extra $5 for the server to clean up YOUR CHILDS mess & to restock the now unusable wasted items.

So you are going to give a portion of your tip to the restaurant owner to pay for the "wasted items" right?

 

[Gillbot]

Originally posted by: darkxshade
Maybe the lobster and steak takes more effort to cook?

What's that have to do with the waitress?

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
Work as a server, then, and only then, will you understand. In the meantime, here's a few rules.

Learn How to Tip...

The next time your out eating at a resturant, look at your waiter, you think they are really happy to be doing that job? the answer is no, they are not. but its what we do, and we do it for the money so please help them out. Its a tougher job than you think and you should pay them accordingly!
This is for everybody who goes to a restaurant and has ever footed the bill.
OK. I'm tired of those people flooding the restaurants w/o any knowledge of how to tip. Here is a short guide for the general public to follow. Feel free to print out and store in your wallet and/or purse.


1. If you are not a child and get something from the kids menu (which we DO NOT have to do), tip as if you received an adult meal and leave the server an extra $1 @ least!

2. If you have children, DO NOT let them, open and dump anything on the table (ie; salt, sugar, etc). IF YOU DO, you must leave an extra $5 for the server to clean up YOUR CHILDS mess & to restock the now unusable wasted items. We are neither their babysitter nor their parent. The least you can do is pay us for the extra work. Also make sure you control your kids and don't let them scream or run around the restraunt. It's very distracting not to mention dangerous if they get ran over by a server with hot food in their hands.

3. If you feel the necessity to stay for longer than 15 minutes after you pay, its an extra $3 every 30 minutes (including the first 15min). We make our money from the tables. If you are in one and we cant seat it, we CANT make money.

4. Telling a server they are the best or excellent service is not a tip. If we are good, let us know by leaving us more money. We cant pay our bills on compliments. Its not that we mind the praise; its just that you say were good and then leave 10 %...this is not good. I like hearing that I did a good job, but its like in a relationship... you can tell a girl you love her a thousand times, but ACTIONS speak louder than WORDS. Tell me, but show me i did a good job with that MONEY.

5. Prayer cards and any other religious pamphlet is NOT a tip. It is insulting that you assume we are w/o religion and must save us. Again, like ..4, we cant pay bills w/prayer cards. P.S. We'd go to church on Sundays if it wasn't mandatory to work on Sundays because EVERYONE who goes to church follows it by eating out. Also don't try to preach to us while we are working. We don't go to your work and put you down so don't do it to us.

6. We know that you have just given money to God, but Sundays are not discounted tip day. 8%=NOT a good tip.

7. It is not 1960. Cost of living has gone up dramatically since then. 18% is the MINIMUM amount of what you should be tipping your servers. Just look at the tax line and multiple by 2-3, this gives you your minimum tip amount. Remember, our companies pay us 2.13 an hour! And we are taxed on 10 percent of your meal automatically anyway. So if you dont leave a tip, we end up paying for your meal.
Let me explain a little clearer. When you pay the bill, you are paying for your food. When you pay the tip, you are paying for the SERVICE.

Sounds like the person who wrote that must have worked as a server in Brentwood, TN.

 

[dullard]

Tipping based on the price of the meal is one of the stupidest conventions ever. Can any waiter/waitress give me a logical explaination for this:

Why should the waitstaff earn less just because I feel like drinking 5 cups of water?
Why should you earn less if I want my chicken sandwhich grilled instead of fried?

I tip based on the amount of people at the table. More people = more work = more tip. There should be no other method. I refuse to tip less just because I want a cheap meal. And no waiter can convince me to tip less because of that!

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: Malak
I tip based on service, not the bill. That is the entire point of the tip. Good service, good tip. Bad service... well sometimes they just don't deserve a tip.

If they got your food from the kitchen to your table, they deserve something.

And here's an example of that attitude I mentioned in my previous post.

If the service is horrible, you don't deserve a tip. Getting the food to the table is the bare minimum you can do! If you're rude, never check on drinks, etc, you don't deserve anything.

(I have never left NO tip, but I wouldn't rule it out entirely)

Agreed. If all they really did is bring my food to my table, then their wages cover that portion. And I have left a $0.00 tip before. The service was just freaking terrible.

 

[HBalzer]

4. Telling a server they are the best or excellent service is not a tip. If we are good, let us know by leaving us more money. We cant pay our bills on compliments. Its not that we mind the praise; its just that you say were good and then leave 10 %...this is not good. I like hearing that I did a good job, but its like in a relationship... you can tell a girl you love her a thousand times, but ACTIONS speak louder than WORDS. Tell me, but show me i did a good job with that MONEY.

She wants a Tip I'd give her a tip she'd never forget!