Anand a Pro-InteL???

[j@cko]

why did he choose Intel for the dream system? Besides, RDRAM is slower than SDRAM under many situations, everybody knows that.

 

[Zenmervolt]

He explicitly says (at least in all previous high end articles) that the reason for going to a dual P-III setup is SMP. Give the AMD 760 Chipset a while, it may show up next time around, but SMP is a big advantage to Intel.

Aaron Meyer

 

[Vegito]

Because there isn't an AMD Dual. To properly use dual, you really need i840, a VIA will never be as fast in dual and w/o bugs.

There is no other dual 133based mobo except the server works chipsets.. but theres no AGP in those..

 

[j@cko]

I didn't read the whole article, that's why...
but, IF this is a DREAM GAMING Machine, you really don't need a DUAL system. Since NO GAMES takes this advantage, EXCEPT Quake 3.

 

[pm]

The games may not directly take advantage of dual processors, but an SMP-enabled OS (like Win2k or Linux) will and will off-load system level processes to the other CPU resulting in improved performance.

 

[BigToque]

Would you say he's Pro-AMD if he included AMD chips?

 

[Vegito]

I only buy dual systems.. I use excel to calculate real time stock feed from various source, single processor cannot cut it, to me, making 10 grands a day using a dual system is a dream...

thats my dream or reality for now...

10 grands a day buys a lot of computer parts.

 

[Macro2]

This is nothing, wait until you see the "benchmarks" in the P4 review...
Mac

 

[ArkAoss]

oh yeah wait till ya see the bench mark from the g4 review!!! ha ha ha

-end stupid mac lover act

 

[j@cko]

I wouldn't say He's a Pro-AMD if he inclues a AMD CPU, because at OCWORKBEncH, there's some one in the forum said Anand is kinda INtelish.... so....
Oh, regarding to P4, I think the best selling part is its HIGH CLOCK rate, that's all, and some new Instructions for improving the peformance in certain tasks... nothing really special about. Besides, varies benchmarks indicate Athlon is faster than P4 even when the clock is slower, however, those aren't official tested.. so, just a speculations....
If this is the case, P4 will be like a HOT Blonde but air head, and Athlon will be a okay Girl but got a lots of stuff inside...

 

[dawheat]

actually the dream gaming machine does have a T-bird 900. But the machine of machines- dual is the way to go.

Jack- do read the entire article- he has several systems listed- the god-box, SOHO, and gaming.

 

[j@cko]

I apologize make such comment while I did not read the whole article.
However, I would like to issue the performance of P4 v.s Athlon.... as I posted above.

 

[KMurphy]

i840 with RDRAM (PC800) interleaving gives about 3.2GB/s bandwidth (highest for current PC market)

ServerWorks ServerSet WS (workstation) has AGP4x and about 2.6GB/s bandwidth @ 133Mhz (Supermicro Super 370DE6)

VIA 694X has the worst memory performance of all three, but much cheaper also.

 

[j@cko]

I need to argue with your comment on VIA X694 has the Worst memory peformance. Because while ago, I posted a TOPIC which called WHY CAN"T VIA HAS BETTER R&D TEAM?
The issue I mentioned was the weak memory performance.
However, many people replied and indicateed after a appropreate tweak, the memory peformance increase dramatically, which is neck to neck with BX...
Of course this can't compete with I840 with 4 way interleave 3.2GB Bandwidth, but have you thought about the LATENCY???

 

[Sohcan]

<< I wouldn't say He's a Pro-AMD if he inclues a AMD CPU, because at OCWORKBEncH, there's some one in the forum said Anand is kinda INtelish.... so.... >>

Umm....yeah...if that random guy on some forum said Anand is Intel-biased, he must be right...

Check out this article on the Anandtech servers....4 of the 5 Anandtech web servers are 1GHz T-Bird systems.

 

[KMurphy]

What about latency? This rig isn't for gaming. I use my 840 for doing video/image editing and this machine is perfectly suited for the task. The Tyan Tiger 133 was a dog in comparison.

The only difference between the machines is

Supermicro PIIIDR3 with dual PIII 1000MHz (133FSB) with 512MB PC800
Tyan Tiger 133 with dual PIII 933MHz (133FSB) with 512MB PC133

Why should I be concerned with latency? It still plays games fine paired with a GTS.

 

[Vegito]

I don't know if it's true, my dual rambus is coming soon, for number crunching, I'll bet it kills in excel..... but for other, I'm unsure..

 

[HaVoC]

God, you Anand-Intel-Bias agitators need to STFU. Read ALL of the article before posting knee-jerk responses like this thread. Anand states his reasons very specifically.

 

[j@cko]

execuse me, I did apologize, and I did not keep drilling on this topic either, you are one the who should concern your own attitude.

 

[OneEng]

Anand generally has the most un-biased non-hear-say reviews and articles of any site I have seen. I would rate his technical content on par with Tom's Hardware and Ace's Hardware sites while his demeanor is much prefered to Tom's. He and Ace's articles are the best of class on the web. Of those two, Anand does more articles.

This is, bar none, the best hardware review site on the web.

 

[DarinT]

SMP is were it is all at.. This Dream Machine dosn't neccessarly apply to games alone. Any what would be wrong with beeing Pro-Intel? I am deffiently Pro-Intel and have never, and don't plan on ever buying anything but. Well, except for MIPS
I've personaly have had no good experiences with AMD chips. I do have friends with Thunderbirds, and straight Athons.. and they say they are so much better. In the bussiness market, Intel dominates simply because of SMP.

 

[Pulsifer]

To my knowledge a dual 933 MHz system will not outperform a 1.2 GHz Athlon system even in SMP enabled applications or operating systems. Plus rambus has slower latency. Intel's SMP architechture is flawed, in that both processors share the same bus bandwidth as a single processor. I am quite sure that a 1.2 GHz Athlon will beat a dual 933 MHz in 98% of all applications.

 

[jmcoreymv]

Pulsifer: Prove it with some benchmarks if you want to make a claim like that.

 

[pm]

<< Intel's SMP architechture is flawed, in that both processors share the same bus bandwidth as a single processor. >>



How precisely is this a flaw?

I'm too busy tonight to get into a debate (which is likely to be lengthy) about the relative performance of shared busses vs. P2P busses, but it is a definite advantage to have a shared bus when performing snoops - which is a very common SMP operation.



<< To my knowledge a dual 933 MHz system will not outperform a 1.2 GHz Athlon system even in SMP enabled applications or operating systems. >>



Do you have any proof to back this statement up?

Patrick Mahoney
EPG Circuit Design Engineer
Intel Corp.

 

[Pulsifer]

I am sorry, but after I looked for the articles all I could find is information from Anand about the Katmai Pentium III and the classic Athlon in 3d Studio Max 2.5. It does show the single Athlon beating the dual pentium III by 5% at the same clock speed . Granted, this is both of the company's old processors, but I think the Thunderbird 1.2 GHz would feel overall faster even in a operating system like Windows 2000.

Here is the graph:
LINK

Here is the article:
Athlon 700