Anand Reviews Still Legit?

[nealh]

Originally posted by: arcticool
OK, before this spins out of control people talking about *my* overclock, lets be clear, THIS THREAD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY OC!
Done shouting now. But if you respond that this thread is because I didn't get the OC Anand got then you didn't read the thread.

The point is Anand is getting custom parts, not just binned cherry picked parts.
The DS3 board does not function in they range they used in the review.
The E4300 does not go to 3.6 ghz as stated to be 'expected' in their recent mid-range review. 2.9-3.2 is a good OC for this chip and anything over 3.2 on air or water is extremely rare. I'll let the Thermalright issue go for now since I never actually spoke to a NewEgg rep as I've already said, the 800 number is not open on Saturday. All I can say is my auto-RMA was denied by the site and in RED were words stating manufacturer had removed support. I've never seen this before on NewEgg either, so don't go responding that I'm bashing NewEgg customer service.

This is not about my particular hardware or my OC. Anand is giving reviews based on parts that simply don't match production supply.

PLEASE READ THEN POST.
Thank you.

As Isaid I bought 2 of these...I see the samething in red but I still hve the abiltiy for a refund on the website

 

[aurareturn]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: arcticool
OK, before this spins out of control people talking about *my* overclock, lets be clear, THIS THREAD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY OC!
Done shouting now. But if you respond that this thread is because I didn't get the OC Anand got then you didn't read the thread.

The point is Anand is getting custom parts, not just binned cherry picked parts.
The DS3 board does not function in they range they used in the review.
The E4300 does not go to 3.6 ghz as stated to be 'expected' in their recent mid-range review. 2.9-3.2 is a good OC for this chip and anything over 3.2 on air or water is extremely rare. I'll let the Thermalright issue go for now since I never actually spoke to a NewEgg rep as I've already said, the 800 number is not open on Saturday. All I can say is my auto-RMA was denied by the site and in RED were words stating manufacturer had removed support. I've never seen this before on NewEgg either, so don't go responding that I'm bashing NewEgg customer service.

This is not about my particular hardware or my OC. Anand is giving reviews based on parts that simply don't match production supply.

PLEASE READ THEN POST.
Thank you.

sorry to say this, but... this is where u noobed.

OLD bin'd chips do 3.6ghz perfectly fine. The new ones have problems. MY Chip does 3.6ghz, but ITS ON WATER.

Infact i cant think of many that run there chips 24/7 on AIR @ 3.6ghz. It takes about 1.4-1.5V to pull this off, and at that voltage the chip puts out 121W+ TDP compared to the 65W TDP at stock. IF YOU DONT KNOW THIS OR THIS IS NEW INFO, you noobed your research in overclocking.

Thats all i need to say..

Good luck cooling that with air.

3.6Ghz is nothing a high end air cooler cannot do. If you can't think of anyone running a C2D @ 3.6Ghz on air, head over to xtremesystems. It's extremely common to run 3.6Ghz on air.

Old 4300 chips don't do 3.6Ghz "expectingly". They do 3.6Ghz on luck and most won't get anywhere near that close. You're talking about a 100% overclock here.

 

[Daverino]

:thumbsdown:

This is lame. This is obviously some grudge against Anandtech because nothing here makes sense.

You're avid enough to go out and buy a top-of-the-line air cooler for extreme OCing. But apparently you only get your info from AT. And apparently you decided to spend a large amount of money on a chip and cooling setup based on AT alone but had never bothered to register for the forums before? Did you post this same complaint on every other hardware and overclocking site out there as well? If you're savvy enough to set up this type of rig, how can you be dumb enough to complain about AT reviews on your first post misleading you? This isn't the end of the internet, there's other information out there. I remember scouring dozens of sites for info before doing my first OC.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: TheMold
Wow, you did a lot of research for this post. Too bad you didn't apply that much effort before you made the purchases that you did.

 

[Noubourne]

Originally posted by: arcticool
OK, before this spins out of control people talking about *my* overclock, lets be clear, THIS THREAD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY OC!
Done shouting now. But if you respond that this thread is because I didn't get the OC Anand got then you didn't read the thread.

The point is Anand is getting custom parts, not just binned cherry picked parts.
The DS3 board does not function in they range they used in the review.
The E4300 does not go to 3.6 ghz as stated to be 'expected' in their recent mid-range review. 2.9-3.2 is a good OC for this chip and anything over 3.2 on air or water is extremely rare. ....

PLEASE READ THEN POST.
Thank you.

What you don't know could fill a black hole.

You can't prove that Anand is getting custom made parts, and it wouldn't make any sense for anyone to do that anyway, so quit making this wildly inaccurate baseless accusation.

Because you are incapable of overclocking something does not mean everyone else is too. Each chip and board will have a range of capabilities.

You can't just buy stuff and expect max performance achieved by experienced overclockers with access to engineer advice and complain when you can't reproduce it using your meager comprehension skills.

You have nothing constructive to say and nothing to back up your criticisms, and you should be banned for your baseless accusations.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: aurareturn

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: arcticool
OK, before this spins out of control people talking about *my* overclock, lets be clear, THIS THREAD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY OC!
Done shouting now. But if you respond that this thread is because I didn't get the OC Anand got then you didn't read the thread.

The point is Anand is getting custom parts, not just binned cherry picked parts.
The DS3 board does not function in they range they used in the review.
The E4300 does not go to 3.6 ghz as stated to be 'expected' in their recent mid-range review. 2.9-3.2 is a good OC for this chip and anything over 3.2 on air or water is extremely rare. I'll let the Thermalright issue go for now since I never actually spoke to a NewEgg rep as I've already said, the 800 number is not open on Saturday. All I can say is my auto-RMA was denied by the site and in RED were words stating manufacturer had removed support. I've never seen this before on NewEgg either, so don't go responding that I'm bashing NewEgg customer service.

This is not about my particular hardware or my OC. Anand is giving reviews based on parts that simply don't match production supply.

PLEASE READ THEN POST.
Thank you.

sorry to say this, but... this is where u noobed.

OLD bin'd chips do 3.6ghz perfectly fine. The new ones have problems. MY Chip does 3.6ghz, but ITS ON WATER.

Infact i cant think of many that run there chips 24/7 on AIR @ 3.6ghz. It takes about 1.4-1.5V to pull this off, and at that voltage the chip puts out 121W+ TDP compared to the 65W TDP at stock. IF YOU DONT KNOW THIS OR THIS IS NEW INFO, you noobed your research in overclocking.

Thats all i need to say..

Good luck cooling that with air.

3.6Ghz is nothing a high end air cooler cannot do. If you can't think of anyone running a C2D @ 3.6Ghz on air, head over to xtremesystems. It's extremely common to run 3.6Ghz on air.

Old 4300 chips don't do 3.6Ghz "expectingly". They do 3.6Ghz on luck and most won't get anywhere near that close. You're talking about a 100% overclock here.

4300 isnt OLD. Its relatively new.

Im refering to CHIPS which are bin'd L624B or below in general. Meaning b4 2006 week 24 production.

Also, yes people do 3.6ghz on air, but only for benching. XS has tons of people that push their 3.6ghz chips however most of them are pushing over 65-70C. But hey, if you dont mind your chip slowly cooking at those temps, its more to you.

Most people who do clock there computers at 3.6+ on air ONLY do it for benching and bragging rights. At that high of an overclock, Active NB cooling is almost manditory, but NO ONE cares to share that bit of info.

If you dont believe me, look at all the NB cooling posts on this forum.

Also, your right tho, 3.6ghz is hard, i stated 400fsb was hard. And here is the reason why:

on a E6600 i noticed you require at least 1.37-1.43Vcore REAL. Thats AFTER Vdroop. a STock C2D runing at 1.28V will draw about 65W TDP. Thats honestly not bad, and a heck of a lot less then my AMD which draws at 95WTDP.

Now, you push the voltage at 1.4Vcore your TDP has almost doubled on the C2D. Now your dealing with 121W TDP. Okey, thats quite a bit of heat. Now you push it even higher, and well, you get the idea.

ON a QUAD, and i really love our wonderful author. Were in a completely different ballgame here. Remember quads STOCK puts out 105W TDP. Now bump the voltage slightly, and you got hells kitchen under your sink.

I honestly wish the author was stop BSing around with his QUAD reports. 3.4ghz+ is incredibly difficult on a quad. And 3.6ghz is almost impossible without h2o. Meaning, you better have some uber cherry picked chip to run that on air 24/7.

 

[Duwelon]

Go easy on the OP, he just wants attention at the expense of a reputable site.

 

[manimal]

Lets all together start singing our favorite MCHAMMER! song...



2legit......2legit2quit......2legit....2legit2quit.....:repeat till nausea ensues

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: manimal
Lets all together start singing our favorite MCHAMMER! song...



2legit......2legit2quit......2legit....2legit2quit.....:repeat till nausea ensues

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA


i think anand editors cpu overclock moto has been "cant touch this" ... hammer time..

 

[manimal]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: manimal
Lets all together start singing our favorite MCHAMMER! song...



2legit......2legit2quit......2legit....2legit2quit.....:repeat till nausea ensues

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA


i think anand editors cpu overclock moto has been "cant touch this" ... hammer time..

LMAO--

I just went into an old clothes bin and pulled out some mchammer looking pants I havent worn since the 90s and will "surprise" my wife with them when she gets home lol.....on second thought I dont need to institutionalized again......

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: manimal
it is somewhat irresponsible for anyone to guarantee any OC

I've been saying that for years, but people only get mad at me.

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: arcticool
MotF Bane,
Sorry I missed your post. You are running 8x to get to 3.2. Exactly my point. Try 9x as Anand did in their review. I'll give you my car if it works.

4634.31 MHz (514.92 * 9) I think you should give that guy your car.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: arcticool
MotF Bane,
Sorry I missed your post. You are running 8x to get to 3.2. Exactly my point. Try 9x as Anand did in their review. I'll give you my car if it works.

4634.31 MHz (514.92 * 9) I think you should give that guy your car.

im about
%99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

that thing will fail orthos after 45 min. And that thing is most definitely on a uber sub ambient style cooling. IE dual cascade phase, or straight up LN2 run.

 

[dafoomie]

You guys sure are circling the wagons...

I think the OP makes a legit criticism with regard to the manufacturer supplied parts. Any site that wants to have fair, honest, and reputable reviews should not rely on the manufacturers providing them with free parts for their reviews. Its more than likely that they are not representative of what is actually being sold. Any review based solely on those kind of parts is inherently unreliable and inaccruate, regardless of the integrity of the reviewer.

It may not be fesable to go consumer reports style and purchase things off the shelf, but those kind of reviews are gold.

 

[arcticool]

Originally posted by: dafoomie
You guys sure are circling the wagons...

I think the OP makes a legit criticism with regard to the manufacturer supplied parts. Any site that wants to have fair, honest, and reputable reviews should not rely on the manufacturers providing them with free parts for their reviews. Its more than likely that they are not representative of what is actually being sold. Any review based solely on those kind of parts is inherently unreliable and inaccruate, regardless of the integrity of the reviewer.

It may not be fesable to go consumer reports style and purchase things off the shelf, but those kind of reviews are gold.

I expected the flamers whos lives and therefore egos revolve around this site, but thank you for your reasonable and thoughtful response. And thanks for not *trying* to miss the point which is of course that Anand has come to rely on manufacturer supplied parts for their reviews, parts which are by and large not proving to be representative of production supply.

Again, nothing to do with *my* overclock or *my* parts, one guy now out of 50+ reviews I've read got over 3.2 on this chip, hardly justification from Anand that people can *expect* 3.6 on this chip, which is regardless of production date, absurd. And still haven't heard anyone mention getting 9x360 to 9x380 range on the DS3 board. 9x378 is what Anand got and Anand has the *only* DS3 ever made that runs in that range. Again, where does 'binned' cross the line into 'custom made'?

I've loved this site as have millions of others. Exactly the reason for manufacturers to cheat. And lets be clear, I have at no point flamed Anand personally. I believe that *with the parts they receive* they still have the best reviews. But can we trust them given that they clearly don't receive *typical* production samples? That's the question...

 

[Puffnstuff]

Have you ever heard of the phrase "your mileage may vary?" My new truck doesn't get as good of mileage as some other guys I know. Should I start a thread bashing toyota for that?:roll:

 

[Daverino]

Originally posted by: arcticool

I expected the flamers whos lives and therefore egos revolve around this site, but thank you for your reasonable and thoughtful response. And thanks for not *trying* to miss the point which is of course that Anand has come to rely on manufacturer supplied parts for their reviews, parts which are by and large not proving to be representative of production supply.

OK Mark Antony, you can really spare us all the 'Friends, Romans, Countrymen.' Don't think eloquence can make up for the fact that you're still way off base. For someone who used his first post to accuse Anand of skewing his reviews to garner favoritism from suppliers, you're hardly in a position to question anyone's ego.

You're simply being absurd and tripping over yourself in contradictions. In you OP you wrote

Originally posted by: arcticool I just happen to be the unlucky schmuck who bought entirely based upon the latest Anand reviews.

Now in your last post you wrote

Originally posted by: arcticool Again, nothing to do with *my* overclock or *my* parts, one guy now out of 50+ reviews I've read got over 3.2 on this chip, hardly justification from Anand that people can *expect* 3.6 on this chip, which is regardless of production date, absurd.

In other words, despite reading 50+ reviews stating the chip will not go over 3.2 you make your decision to buy solely on the review that states it will go to 3.6? You researched and researched and researched and read more reviews than I even knew existed for this chip and then bought based on the one review that contradicted all the others? What a heaping pile of BS.

Later you say

Originally posted by: arcticool So I bought the Ultra 120 Extreme from NewEgg exactly 5 days ago. I received it 2 days ago and already NewEgg will not accept an RMA and refers me to the manufacturer. I have done business with NewEgg for 3 years now and have never even seen such a quick pull-out of product support. But since Anand is such a strong 'market maker' now, and now that they have done a follow up article of the Ultra 120 'production part' no amount of actual bad user experiences will stop the massive sales and demand for this heat sink. And you can be sure the manufacturer not only knows this fact but is actually counting on it.

and follow that up with

Originally posted by: arcticool I'll let the Thermalright issue go for now since I never actually spoke to a NewEgg rep as I've already said, the 800 number is not open on Saturday.

So first you're claiming that Anand is biasing his reviews to make Thermalright the world leader in boutique air cooling solutions. And apparently NewEgg is in on this as well. But then the revelation comes out that you haven't even talked to NewEgg's customer service department. I'm still wondering if you ever got the RMA, or for that matter if you even bought the Ultra-120 Extreme, especially because it's been OOS at NewEgg for the past three weeks. . .

Moving on you stated:

Originally posted by: arcticool Anandtech's recent mid-range buyer's review states that you 'should expect' 3.6ghz out of this chip with a Thermalright 120 extreme.[/i]

But the actual article you refer to says:
"Given our selection of processor, we can pretty much choose any of the midrange performance motherboards on the market and come close to our target 3.6GHz."

It never says you should expect 3.6. It says you could get close to 3.6. If you had read Anand's actual review of the 4300 (was it in your 50+ reviews?) you would have read:

"Compared to other Core 2 CPUs, the E4300 doesn't set any new overclocking records but at the price it's a true bargain."

and see that the OC they got for the chip was 3.38.

But the real nutcruncher was when you posted:

Originally posted by: arcticool I've loved this site as have millions of others.

Which implies to me that you've been a long time lurker. If that's true, if we're honestly expected to believe that you've been reading and following Anandtech for a long time. And if we're honestly going to believe that you wanted to buy a E4300 and OC it to 3.6. Then how do you explain that you never read the 10 page long 100+ post thread devoted exclusively to the topic of overclocking a E4300?

The point is this: If you are going to claim that Anand has biased reviews, which is a pretty hefty thing to claim, you better have credibility and evidence. You have neither. The sequence of events you describe that lead you to your conclusions about Anandtech has to be the worst story of incompetent OC research I have ever read. You cannot simultaneously be a serious enthusiast overclocker and "be the unlucky schmuck who bought entirely based upon the latest Anand reviews." Or for that matter, the schmuck who bought entirely based on anyone's reviews. Applying Hanlon's law that one should, "never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity," I can only conclude that you must be exceedingly stupid or have malice in your motivation. I don't think you're stupid. . . so that really only leaves one explanation for this thread.

 

[Noubourne]

Nicely done, Daverino.

Thread over.

 

[arcticool]

Originally posted by: Puffnstuff
Have you ever heard of the phrase "your mileage may vary?" My new truck doesn't get as good of mileage as some other guys I know. Should I start a thread bashing toyota for that?:roll:

Have you heard of read a thread before posting?
THIS IS NOT ABOUT MY HARDWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hopefully the next guy will READ THIS before responding.

 

[arcticool]

Originally posted by: Daverino

Originally posted by: arcticool

I expected the flamers whos lives and therefore egos revolve around this site, but thank you for your reasonable and thoughtful response. And thanks for not *trying* to miss the point which is of course that Anand has come to rely on manufacturer supplied parts for their reviews, parts which are by and large not proving to be representative of production supply.

OK Mark Antony, you can really spare us all the 'Friends, Romans, Countrymen.' Don't think eloquence can make up for the fact that you're still way off base. For someone who used his first post to accuse Anand of skewing his reviews to garner favoritism from suppliers, you're hardly in a position to question anyone's ego.

You're simply being absurd and tripping over yourself in contradictions. In you OP you wrote

Originally posted by: arcticool I just happen to be the unlucky schmuck who bought entirely based upon the latest Anand reviews.

Now in your last post you wrote

Originally posted by: arcticool Again, nothing to do with *my* overclock or *my* parts, one guy now out of 50+ reviews I've read got over 3.2 on this chip, hardly justification from Anand that people can *expect* 3.6 on this chip, which is regardless of production date, absurd.

In other words, despite reading 50+ reviews stating the chip will not go over 3.2 you make your decision to buy solely on the review that states it will go to 3.6? You researched and researched and researched and read more reviews than I even knew existed for this chip and then bought based on the one review that contradicted all the others? What a heaping pile of BS.

Later you say

Originally posted by: arcticool So I bought the Ultra 120 Extreme from NewEgg exactly 5 days ago. I received it 2 days ago and already NewEgg will not accept an RMA and refers me to the manufacturer. I have done business with NewEgg for 3 years now and have never even seen such a quick pull-out of product support. But since Anand is such a strong 'market maker' now, and now that they have done a follow up article of the Ultra 120 'production part' no amount of actual bad user experiences will stop the massive sales and demand for this heat sink. And you can be sure the manufacturer not only knows this fact but is actually counting on it.

and follow that up with

Originally posted by: arcticool I'll let the Thermalright issue go for now since I never actually spoke to a NewEgg rep as I've already said, the 800 number is not open on Saturday.

So first you're claiming that Anand is biasing his reviews to make Thermalright the world leader in boutique air cooling solutions. And apparently NewEgg is in on this as well. But then the revelation comes out that you haven't even talked to NewEgg's customer service department. I'm still wondering if you ever got the RMA, or for that matter if you even bought the Ultra-120 Extreme, especially because it's been OOS at NewEgg for the past three weeks. . .

Moving on you stated:

Originally posted by: arcticool Anandtech's recent mid-range buyer's review states that you 'should expect' 3.6ghz out of this chip with a Thermalright 120 extreme.[/i]

But the actual article you refer to says:
"Given our selection of processor, we can pretty much choose any of the midrange performance motherboards on the market and come close to our target 3.6GHz."

It never says you should expect 3.6. It says you could get close to 3.6. If you had read Anand's actual review of the 4300 (was it in your 50+ reviews?) you would have read:

"Compared to other Core 2 CPUs, the E4300 doesn't set any new overclocking records but at the price it's a true bargain."

and see that the OC they got for the chip was 3.38.

But the real nutcruncher was when you posted:

Originally posted by: arcticool I've loved this site as have millions of others.

Which implies to me that you've been a long time lurker. If that's true, if we're honestly expected to believe that you've been reading and following Anandtech for a long time. And if we're honestly going to believe that you wanted to buy a E4300 and OC it to 3.6. Then how do you explain that you never read the 10 page long 100+ post thread devoted exclusively to the topic of overclocking a E4300?

The point is this: If you are going to claim that Anand has biased reviews, which is a pretty hefty thing to claim, you better have credibility and evidence. You have neither. The sequence of events you describe that lead you to your conclusions about Anandtech has to be the worst story of incompetent OC research I have ever read. You cannot simultaneously be a serious enthusiast overclocker and "be the unlucky schmuck who bought entirely based upon the latest Anand reviews." Or for that matter, the schmuck who bought entirely based on anyone's reviews. Applying Hanlon's law that one should, "never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity," I can only conclude that you must be exceedingly stupid or have malice in your motivation. I don't think you're stupid. . . so that really only leaves one explanation for this thread.

Sorry but everything you've said is full of $hit.
Never in any point did I say Anandtech is biased. NEVER.
And your entire post is about me saying Anandtech is biased.

Here I will quote myself since you are so good at paraphrasing me and taking everything out of context
"
I've loved this site as have millions of others. Exactly the reason for manufacturers to cheat. And lets be clear, I have at no point flamed Anand personally. I believe that *with the parts they receive* they still have the best reviews. But can we trust them given that they clearly don't receive *typical* production samples? That's the question...
"
Do you get it now?
I have not critisized Anandtech except to say that they are testing on parts that are not representative of production samples. Do they know this? Who knows, I won't go there. All I know is their reviews don't tie out to production part performance.
And I clarified this let me count *4x now* Other readers got the point. The fact that you didn't means that you not only took my own posts out of context and twisted them around, but *ignored* the posts by others with whom I've explicitly said 'yes, you get my point'.

Clearly you're just twisting my words, intentionally missing my point for the purpose of flames.

And I've read the 50+ reviews *since* I bought based upon the Anandtech review, I thought that was clear. Again others got it and not you. I didn't think this thread was that hard to follow, but if you're just looking to flame I'm sure you'll find a way. Obviously you're a creative guy...

BTW, my time over the years spent here has for the most part *not* been in these forums, its been on the site. When I go to forums for the most part I've gone elsewhere, like extreme oc.

 

[arcticool]

And yet still nobody has touched the point that the DS3 simply does not operate in the range tested by Anandtech.
Clearly a custom built part that they tested.

 

[gramboh]

But it *IS* about your hardware since you are using your own personal experience of parts not overclocking to where you wanted (who believes that ANY overclock is guaranteed? You hope for the best, it's "free"). Other people's C2D's and DS3's match and exceed what Anandtech tested. I believe AT also test in an open air case?

My E6600 only makes 3.2GHz at reasonable voltage, sure I'd like 3.4 or 3.6 like many reviews/forum posters have but I'm not going to complain.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Troll troll troll your boat gently down the (data) stream
Merrily merrily merrily merrily your oc is but a dream

Sorry I couldn't resist doing that.

 

[Daverino]

Originally posted by: arcticool
Sorry but everything you've said is full of $hit.
Never in any point did I say Anandtech is biased. NEVER.
And your entire post is about me saying Anandtech is biased.

Look, genius, you titled your thread 'Anand Reviews Still Legit?' You accused Anand of being biased before you even starting typing your post.

Originally posted by: arcticool
And I've read the 50+ reviews *since* I bought based upon the Anandtech review, I thought that was clear. Again others got it and not you. I didn't think this thread was that hard to follow, but if you're just looking to flame I'm sure you'll find a way. Obviously you're a creative guy...

Wow, what a confession that is. You had absolutely no idea about the E4300's overclocking until you read Anand's midrange guide and then decided to throw down a few hundred bucks based on three paragraphs. You didn't even read Anand's E4300 review itself, just the guide. If this is true, you got what you deserved. But wait!

Originally posted by: arcticool
BTW, my time over the years spent here has for the most part *not* been in these forums, its been on the site. When I go to forums for the most part I've gone elsewhere, like extreme oc.

Oh how rich. You didn't read our OC forums but instead you are active on Extreme OC. But somehow you didn't read any E4300 overclocking threads there either.. Now I know you're not being honest.

And finally:

Originally posted by: arcticool I have not critisized Anandtech except to say that they are testing on parts that are not representative of production samples. Do they know this? Who knows, I won't go there. All I know is their reviews don't tie out to production part performance.

And then not three minutes later you post:

Originally posted by: arcticool And yet still nobody has touched the point that the DS3 simply does not operate in the range tested by Anandtech.
Clearly a custom built part that they tested.

So in one breath you say that Anand might not know that their parts are custom, but in the next you say that the DS3 they tested was 'clearly a custom built part.' You've admitted you had three tons of information on OCing a 4300 in front of you and ignored it, and we should think you're competent enough determine Anand's review sample was a custom? Like I said: credibility and evidence. You are not credible because you contradict yourself, posing as an knowledgeable OCer who frequents sites 'like extreme oc,' but then show no evidence that you know anything about overclocking. And you certainly have no evidence to back up your claims.

Your troll-fu is weak, and I can fight it allllll day long.

 

[arcticool]

Originally posted by: gramboh
But it *IS* about your hardware since you are using your own personal experience of parts not overclocking to where you wanted (who believes that ANY overclock is guaranteed? You hope for the best, it's "free"). Other people's C2D's and DS3's match and exceed what Anandtech tested. I believe AT also test in an open air case?

My E6600 only makes 3.2GHz at reasonable voltage, sure I'd like 3.4 or 3.6 like many reviews/forum posters have but I'm not going to complain.

NO YOURE WRONG IT *IS NOT* ABOUT MY HARDWARE. IT IS ABOUT EVERY DS3 BOARD EVER SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have to be pretty dense to have not figured this out yet...