Anand Reviews Still Legit?

[arcticool]

Originally posted by: Puffnstuff
Troll troll troll your boat gently down the (data) stream
Merrily merrily merrily merrily your oc is but a dream

Sorry I couldn't resist doing that.

The first fallacy of logic, when you can't stand up to their argument, call em names.

 

[arcticool]

Originally posted by: Daverino

Originally posted by: arcticool
Sorry but everything you've said is full of $hit.
Never in any point did I say Anandtech is biased. NEVER.
And your entire post is about me saying Anandtech is biased.

Look, genius, you titled your thread 'Anand Reviews Still Legit?' You accused Anand of being biased before you even starting typing your post.

Originally posted by: arcticool
And I've read the 50+ reviews *since* I bought based upon the Anandtech review, I thought that was clear. Again others got it and not you. I didn't think this thread was that hard to follow, but if you're just looking to flame I'm sure you'll find a way. Obviously you're a creative guy...

Wow, what a confession that is. You had absolutely no idea about the E4300's overclocking until you read Anand's midrange guide and then decided to throw down a few hundred bucks based on three paragraphs. You didn't even read Anand's E4300 review itself, just the guide. If this is true, you got what you deserved. But wait!

Originally posted by: arcticool
BTW, my time over the years spent here has for the most part *not* been in these forums, its been on the site. When I go to forums for the most part I've gone elsewhere, like extreme oc.

Oh how rich. You didn't read our OC forums but instead you are active on Extreme OC. But somehow you didn't read any E4300 overclocking threads there either.. Now I know you're not being honest.

And finally:

Originally posted by: arcticool I have not critisized Anandtech except to say that they are testing on parts that are not representative of production samples. Do they know this? Who knows, I won't go there. All I know is their reviews don't tie out to production part performance.

And then not three minutes later you post:

Originally posted by: arcticool And yet still nobody has touched the point that the DS3 simply does not operate in the range tested by Anandtech.
Clearly a custom built part that they tested.

So in one breath you say that Anand might not know that their parts are custom, but in the next you say that the DS3 they tested was 'clearly a custom built part.' You've admitted you had three tons of information on OCing a 4300 in front of you and ignored it, and we should think you're competent enough determine Anand's review sample was a custom? Like I said: credibility and evidence. You are not credible because you contradict yourself, posing as an knowledgeable OCer who frequents sites 'like extreme oc,' but then show no evidence that you know anything about overclocking. And you certainly have no evidence to back up your claims.

Your troll-fu is weak, and I can fight it allllll day long.

1. Look idiot just because I say the reviews are not legit does not mean they are biased. It just means they are wrong. 10 posters figured this out, yet you still don't get it.

2. You are making false assumptions just to build an argument on nothing. Why not tell me what I had for breakfast this morning since you are telling me what I read.

3. What does my purchase decision have to do with anything? What does my over clocking skill have to do with anything? Yes I agree with one thing, I should have read the 50 reviews elsewhere *before* just blindly trusting the anandtech review. But then, that's my point isn't it? Or do you still not get it?

THE POINT IF YOU STILL CAN'T GET IT:
ANANDTECH REVIEWS ARE BASED ON PARTS THAT DO NOT MATCH PRODUCTION PARTS. PERIOD.

E4300 CAN NOT BE *EXPECTED* TO RUN AT 3.6 GHZ PER THEIR MID RANGE GUIDE, NOR 3.4 BASED ON THEIR E4300 REVIEW. THESE ARE BOTH VERY EXCEPTIONAL RESULTS! MOST PEOPLE GET 3GHZ (AND VERY MANY NOT EVEN THAT!), 3.2 FOR A GOOD CHIP AND 1 IN 100 GETS 3.3-3.4. 3.6 IS A ONE IN A MILLION CHIP. THESE ARE CLEARLY *BINNED CHIPS* THEY ARE TESTING.

THE DS3 THEY USED TO TEST THE E4300 GAVE THEM THEIR 3.4 AT 9X378. THIS BOARD IN PRODUCTION DOES NOT RUN BETWEEN 9X350 AND 9X390. CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT, BUT ITS NOT A PRODUCTION PART. PERIOD.

Call me a troll if you want for saying this. But do a little research and you'll quickly find its true. And keep calling me names if you can't deal with these 2 facts.

 

[Daverino]

Originally posted by: arcticool
Sorry but everything you've said is full of $hit.

1. Look idiot just because I say the reviews are not legit does not mean they are biased.

You have to be pretty dense to have not figured this out yet

Originally posted by: arcticool
The first fallacy of logic, when you can't stand up to their argument, call em names.

Here's a name for ya: hypocrite?

Originally posted by: arcticool
10 posters figured this out, yet you still don't get it.

Oh? Which 10? I hardly think you want to take an opinion poll here.

Originally posted by: arcticool
3. What does my purchase decision have to do with anything? What does my over clocking skill have to do with anything? Yes I agree with one thing, I should have read the 50 reviews elsewhere *before* just blindly trusting the anandtech review. But then, that's my point isn't it? Or do you still not get it?

Well the truth is that you did read up on it beforehand. In fact Anand's review apparently had nothing to do with your decision to buy an E4300. How do I know? Because you posted that you were going to buy a E4300 a week before Anand's article was published.

I think you're just pissed that you didn't get the ultimate OC on your first try and came in here to pout. You have been called out on the Extreme OC forums for crying about your Ultra-120 without posting any evidence. And you're going to get called out here for doing the same thing here. Live and learn and suck it up. But don't blame your problems on this site or any other. Throwing out unprovable gems like Anand is getting custom parts will win you no friends.

 

[Navid]

I did not know that Anandtech recommended the DS3 board. I bought it because it was ranked at the top on this site.
http://www.motherboards.org/ranking/motherboards/Intel7752007/0_8_2_100/

I did get my Thermalright-120 extreme because of the Anandtech's review.
I had to lap it. It did not have a flat base at all.

I am overclocking my E6600 to FSB = 370.
Anandtech claim, in the review of the 120 extreme, that they have overclocked their CPU to 360 x 11 = 3.96GHz.
If I can overclock to FSB = 370, I don't see why they could not overclock to FSB = 360!

I am a little bit surprised how they get such low temperatures. But, I know that they have tested outside the case. That helps drop temperatures a few degrees. My core temp is about 53 under load at 375 x 9 = 3.375GHz. They report 47 at 360 x 11 = 3.96GHz. It is not fair to compare at same CPU clock rate since they have a faster CPU. So, they do not need as much Vcore.

It just seems to me that they got a hand-picked sink with a flat base.
It is just unfortunate that Thermalright is shipping sinks with non-flat bases (Text). But, it is not fair to expect Anandtech to know that Thermalright would do that!

I am not sure what you mean by the hole the board has between 9x333MHz and 9x400.
I am running at 9x375MHz. I have not had any cold boot problems.

 

[sanitydc]

your inability to oc on a ds3 isn't anand's fault. though I can't vouch for the thermalright. I have a ds3 and I've run 450x8 for a good 9 months now; did you even try to adjust voltages?

 

[Puffnstuff]

Articool the more you post the more you expose your naivete. Now be a good troll and crawl back under the bridge.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: arcticool
Please take your troll sensor off and read it for the facts.
Then please search DS3 cold boot issue.
Then please research what actual users are getting with the E4300 and how many are getting above 3.2 ghz and how legitimate it is of anand to say to EXPECT 3.6 ghz from this chip.
Then please research the Ultra 120 extreme in PRODUCTION from actual users and see how many are having serious quality issues.
I BEG OF YOU TO PLEASE CHECK THE FACTS BEFORE CALLING TROLL.

Edit: I can see how a guy with one post might be quickly dismissed by the 'seniors' around here as so many trolls exist on online sites. Please don't group me in before you have actually looked into the facts I am stating. I have done an enormous amount of research and spend a ton of time before making this post so please at least give me the benefit of the doubt until you have actually looked into these *3* misleading reviews for yourself.
Thank you,

Jeff

My DS3 had the cold boot issue - set your fan management to legacy and PWM. Doesn't have the hole at 400FSB, either. Guess I got a binned part, too.

 

[VinDSL]

Originally posted by: Navid
I did not know that Anandtech recommended the DS3 board. I bought it because it was ranked at the top on this site.
http://www.motherboards.org/ranking/motherboards/Intel7752007/0_8_2_100/

ECS PX1 is rated #1 now?!?!?!? :Q

 

[sanitydc]

they could of used software to oc; just cause it wont boot in that sector doesnt mean it wont run with a clock adjuster

 

[arcticool]

Originally posted by: Daverino

Originally posted by: arcticool
Sorry but everything you've said is full of $hit.

1. Look idiot just because I say the reviews are not legit does not mean they are biased.

You have to be pretty dense to have not figured this out yet

Originally posted by: arcticool
The first fallacy of logic, when you can't stand up to their argument, call em names.

Here's a name for ya: hypocrite?

Originally posted by: arcticool
10 posters figured this out, yet you still don't get it.

Oh? Which 10? I hardly think you want to take an opinion poll here.

Originally posted by: arcticool
3. What does my purchase decision have to do with anything? What does my over clocking skill have to do with anything? Yes I agree with one thing, I should have read the 50 reviews elsewhere *before* just blindly trusting the anandtech review. But then, that's my point isn't it? Or do you still not get it?

Well the truth is that you did read up on it beforehand. In fact Anand's review apparently had nothing to do with your decision to buy an E4300. How do I know? Because you posted that you were going to buy a E4300 a week before Anand's article was published.

I think you're just pissed that you didn't get the ultimate OC on your first try and came in here to pout. You have been called out on the Extreme OC forums for crying about your Ultra-120 without posting any evidence. And you're going to get called out here for doing the same thing here. Live and learn and suck it up. But don't blame your problems on this site or any other. Throwing out unprovable gems like Anand is getting custom parts will win you no friends.

Once again, twisting my words seems to be your specialty. Maybe thats from all your argument practice on forums...

Yes, I said I had decided to buy the E4300 in the week before the mid range guide came out. This was based upon their E4300 review. Two day after I purchased the mid range guide came out. What this has to do with anything I don't know your point.

My point has nothing to do with my purchase (to state yet *again* since you still don't get it) Its what I've seen as a disconnect between their reviews and the parts people *in general* are actually getting in production, a fact I have come to realize even later, after reading another 50+ reviews.

Giving anandtech the benefit of the doubt, and assuming they are still ethical in their reviews, the only logical conclusion is they are getting highly 'binned' and as with the DS3 flat out custom parts from the manufacturers.

Ugh, we'll see if you get the point this time. I'm sure you'll try to 'attack' at some other angle *again* that has nothing to do with the point...

 

[arcticool]

Originally posted by: Navid
I did not know that Anandtech recommended the DS3 board. I bought it because it was ranked at the top on this site.
http://www.motherboards.org/ranking/motherboards/Intel7752007/0_8_2_100/

I did get my Thermalright-120 extreme because of the Anandtech's review.
I had to lap it. It did not have a flat base at all.

I am overclocking my E6600 to FSB = 370.
Anandtech claim, in the review of the 120 extreme, that they have overclocked their CPU to 360 x 11 = 3.96GHz.
If I can overclock to FSB = 370, I don't see why they could not overclock to FSB = 360!

I am a little bit surprised how they get such low temperatures. But, I know that they have tested outside the case. That helps drop temperatures a few degrees. My core temp is about 53 under load at 375 x 9 = 3.375GHz. They report 47 at 360 x 11 = 3.96GHz. It is not fair to compare at same CPU clock rate since they have a faster CPU. So, they do not need as much Vcore.

It just seems to me that they got a hand-picked sink with a flat base.
It is just unfortunate that Thermalright is shipping sinks with non-flat bases (Text). But, it is not fair to expect Anandtech to know that Thermalright would do that!

I am not sure what you mean by the hole the board has between 9x333MHz and 9x400.
I am running at 9x375MHz. I have not had any cold boot problems.

First, thanks for the detailed and unemotional response. Its good to see someone who wants to talk the facts and not just creatively find a way to flame.

OK, so your Thermalright had an uneven base as have so very many now. Obviously a production quality issue. Of course anandtech got a hand picked one and had no issues. I'm glad to see that lapping worked for you. For myself it did not. I suspect the reason it is uneven, if you notice while lapping that the high spot corresponds to exactly where one of the pipes, a center one most likely is bent through the base, causing the base to be warped. You are lucky that it was only a little warped and still lappable. In my case I suspect the warping was so bad that inside the base other pipes are not making contact. This is just a guess but would seem reasonable as even lapped smooth and flat on glass it is still only as good as my factory HSF.

And next, lets talk about the FSB. I've said this a few times but I can see how you missed it. The dead zone on DS3 boards is from 9x350-9x390 for most people give or take a few mhz on both ends. My rev 3.3 is dead from 341 up, my 1.3 was dead from 350 up. This is with *9x*. With a different multiplier you can run in this range, eg. 11x, and 8x. And most people who hit the dead zone overclocking the e4300, usually at 9x350, go to 8x390 and move up from there but of course at the cost of higher northbridge temps which are a real issue for this board, but that's another discussion. Anyway, I find it very interesting that you are getting yours to run at 9x375 right in the middle of the 'strap'. Have you had any stability problems? If not then yours is the first production DS3 that I have heard of in weeks of research that is running in this range. Where did you buy it? What rev are you running? And what BIOS? Very very curious to hear...

So anyway, the point still stands, binned parts are binned parts and anandtech is getting em by the boatload. I see your point that we can't really blame anandtech for this as it's the manufacturers who provide em. How is anandtech going to know the parts they get don't match what users will have in production? I don't know, that's the dilemma isn't it. BTW, is it clear that I'm not slamming anand, but only questioning how much we can trust their reviews given this situation?

Thanks again for your response I look forward to more info on your DS3!

Edit: A side note is that anand did slip on one thing. Fine this is a minor criticism of them and not their shady suppliers...
When they reviewed the heatsinks, clearly it was outside of a case, but in doing so they missed a major factor that I discovered upon reverting back to my stock HSF, the effect this mammoth radiator has in blocking airflow inside the case. In my Silverstone with 2x12cm fans and 1x80cm fan, my *case* temps dropped 10 degrees when I took this thing out. Interesting they didn't think to test this consideration. Anyway, just a side note

 

[arcticool]

sanitydc and xman:

No offense, I'm sure you just missed it in the details: the hole is at 9x350-9x390. Most ppl hit the hole and bump up to 8x390 and go up from there.
If you are running 8x400 it doesn't mean you got a 'binned' part like anand, I'm sure the hole is there for you as with everyone else, just test for it...

 

[Navid]

I got my DS3 board from Newegg. I intentionally ordered version 1.3 and that's what I got.
I have had this setup up and running for less than 2 weeks. It is going to take me a while before I find the right spot. But, I can run Orthos (for dual core) at 380x9 with VCore set to 1.35V for about 5 minutes before Orthos stops with an error. I get no errors at 370. I think I ran Orthos for a few hours at 375 also.
I have not tried raising VCore any more.

 

[Daverino]

Originally posted by: arcticool
Yes, I said I had decided to buy the E4300 in the week before the mid range guide came out. This was based upon their E4300 review. Two day after I purchased the mid range guide came out. What this has to do with anything I don't know your point.

Which exactly contradicts what you said in the OP. You post one thing, get confronted, and then your story changes. Your first post clearly stated that you made your decision to buy the E4300 because Anandtech's review stated you could 'expect' 3.6. After you bought, you read '50+' reviews that enlightened you on how well the chip performs. Now we find out:
1. Anand never wrote that you should 'expect 3.6'
2. Anand wrote that you could get 'up to' 3.6 a week after you bought the chip.
3. You've been a member of Extreme OC and Anand for 'years' and never read any of the posts at either forum about the chip until after you bought.

If this is all true, you simply have no credibility to criticize the reviews here or anywhere else. There are plenty of posts here which add grains of salt to Anand's and other reviews. They come from believable people based on results and test. Your post does not fall into that category which makes me question your motivation for posting in the first place.

Originally posted by: arcticool
My point has nothing to do with my purchase (to state yet *again* since you still don't get it) Its what I've seen as a disconnect between their reviews and the parts people *in general* are actually getting in production, a fact I have come to realize even later, after reading another 50+ reviews.

Now you're stating you bought based on Anand's original review. Reading through that review finds nothing about expecting 3.6.

I completely understand what point you're trying to make. The fact is you're not making your case. You're saying that AT is getting binned part leading to inflated and biased reviews. But where's the evidence? Many many people have gotten good results from all of the components you posted about. The TR Extreme does have QC problems, apparently, but there are people here who have gotten great results from the cooler and those who have had a miserable experience with it. A great deal of people have gotten good results out of the E4300 but OCing results can vary with the production week. This is common knowledge. I hardly think Intel would have any motivation to ship a custom chip to Anand. Finally, a number of posters here have not had the experience you had with the DS3, a popular and widely used board.

The reason that I am shouting you down is that you have drawn fallacious conclusions based on your experiences. All three components, the E4300, the U-120X and the DS3 have been widely reviewed and Anand's reviews are in line with most other sites. However, because you had a bad experience with these products you seem that the only logical conclusion is that AT is getting binned parts? There have been more than three reviews posted in the past year, you know, so on that alone I don't think you have a representative sample of reviews to come to a conclusion like that. And there are other possible reasons for getting different results than the review than binned parts. Perhaps a more solid conclusion would be that you were hit by by a combination of bad luck, product defects and unrealistic expectations. But that apparently is your disconnect and the conclusion you want to avoid. . . do you feel you need someone to blame?

 

[arcticool]

Fine, translate this how you will:
Given our selection of processor, we can pretty much choose any of the midrange performance motherboards on the market and come close to our target 3.6GHz.

But this is not a reasonable target for this chip.

And no as you've already said and as I've already replied (you're just going in circles on my research phase which is totally beyond the point) I spent very little time on anand forums, for OC-ing I've spent most of my time on extreme OC forums, like this has anything to do with anything...

And Anands original review states an OC of 3.4ghz, extremely rare for this chip.
And *again* just for you so I can say that I told you 9 times now, this isn't about my purchase, my hardware, my overclock, its about anandtech testing on BINNED PARTS period.

 

[arcticool]

Originally posted by: Navid
I got my DS3 board from Newegg. I intentionally ordered version 1.3 and that's what I got.
I have had this setup up and running for less than 2 weeks. It is going to take me a while before I find the right spot. But, I can run Orthos (for dual core) at 380x9 with VCore set to 1.35V for about 5 minutes before Orthos stops with an error. I get no errors at 370. I think I ran Orthos for a few hours at 375 also.
I have not tried raising VCore any more.

Interesting, the only two posts I've ever seen of someone running this board successfully in this range are both in this thread and from people who have invested significant portions of their lives in anandtech forums. Assuming you're not just a fan boy making this up, and giving the benefit of the doubt, please post additional info. What BIOS are you running? How long ago did you buy the board? What volts u running at 370? What chip are you running?

It is possible that the strap issue with the DS3 is not a problem for certain very specific chips. And most of the posts I've seen where people have hit the DS3 FSB 'strap' as they're calling it, in the 9x350-390 range have been on 4300 and 6600 chips. Though again I have seen nobody getting into this range on this board with any chip at all until the two post in this thread.

Thanks for the reply.

 

[Navid]

Originally posted by: arcticool

Originally posted by: Navid
I got my DS3 board from Newegg. I intentionally ordered version 1.3 and that's what I got.
I have had this setup up and running for less than 2 weeks. It is going to take me a while before I find the right spot. But, I can run Orthos (for dual core) at 380x9 with VCore set to 1.35V for about 5 minutes before Orthos stops with an error. I get no errors at 370. I think I ran Orthos for a few hours at 375 also.
I have not tried raising VCore any more.

Interesting, the only two posts I've ever seen of someone running this board successfully in this range are both in this thread and from people who have invested significant portions of their lives in anandtech forums. Assuming you're not just a fan boy making this up, and giving the benefit of the doubt, please post additional info. What BIOS are you running? How long ago did you buy the board? What volts u running at 370? What chip are you running?

It is possible that the strap issue with the DS3 is not a problem for certain very specific chips. And most of the posts I've seen where people have hit the DS3 FSB 'strap' as they're calling it, in the 9x350-390 range have been on 4300 and 6600 chips. Though again I have seen nobody getting into this range on this board with any chip at all until the two post in this thread.

Thanks for the reply.

There are polite words in your sentences. Yet, I find some of your comments offensive!
So, I choose not to answer your questions.
Thanks for your reply also.

 

[arcticool]

Originally posted by: Navid

Originally posted by: arcticool

Originally posted by: Navid
I got my DS3 board from Newegg. I intentionally ordered version 1.3 and that's what I got.
I have had this setup up and running for less than 2 weeks. It is going to take me a while before I find the right spot. But, I can run Orthos (for dual core) at 380x9 with VCore set to 1.35V for about 5 minutes before Orthos stops with an error. I get no errors at 370. I think I ran Orthos for a few hours at 375 also.
I have not tried raising VCore any more.

Interesting, the only two posts I've ever seen of someone running this board successfully in this range are both in this thread and from people who have invested significant portions of their lives in anandtech forums. Assuming you're not just a fan boy making this up, and giving the benefit of the doubt, please post additional info. What BIOS are you running? How long ago did you buy the board? What volts u running at 370? What chip are you running?

It is possible that the strap issue with the DS3 is not a problem for certain very specific chips. And most of the posts I've seen where people have hit the DS3 FSB 'strap' as they're calling it, in the 9x350-390 range have been on 4300 and 6600 chips. Though again I have seen nobody getting into this range on this board with any chip at all until the two post in this thread.

Thanks for the reply.

There are polite words in your sentences. Yet, I find some of your comments offensive!
So, I choose not to answer your questions.
Thanks for your reply also.

Sorry if you take it that way.
But honestly, 4000 posts in less than 3 years is over 4 per day. By anyone's book you have an emotional investment in this site and its reputation. Rather than saying that this fact makes your particular post here biased or flat out untrue, I noted that I was keeping an open mind despite this fact and giving you the opportunity to state the details of the facts you claim- that the production DS3 board operates in the range tested by anandtech.

Outside of this thread all evidence on this motherboard has been contrary to the anandtech review and the facts you claim. All evidence of this board shows that it simply does not provide stable operation at 9x378 nor in a wide range around this setting.

 

[Daverino]

Originally posted by: arcticool
Fine, translate this how you will:
Given our selection of processor, we can pretty much choose any of the midrange performance motherboards on the market and come close to our target 3.6GHz.

Written in an article that was published a week after you bought your E4300. . . So you obviously didn't have this expectation when you bought it. Stop trying to convince us that you are the 'unlucky schmuck who bought entirely based upon the latest Anand reviews' when the review you keep quoting came out after you bought.

Anand got 3.4 on stock with a chip back in early January. While it might not be fair that a chip bought in early May will have different OCing than a chip five months earlier, it's pretty well understood that this is true. And anyone trying to do something like a 100% OC should know this. There has been plenty written on the E4300 and its OCing in the forums here, at Extreme OC and plenty of other sites. And all of this written after January. It's a shame you didn't study any of this and temper your expectations before you purchased. But it still does nothing to prove that Anand uses binned parts, knowingly or otherwise, for reviews.

Originally posted by: arcticool
And *again* just for you so I can say that I told you 9 times now, this isn't about my purchase, my hardware, my overclock, its about anandtech testing on BINNED PARTS period.

And *again* you present no evidence that what you're saying is true. Honestly, I don't think you're a troll anymore. I just think you're incredibly naive, immature and awfully rude. Even when people here have tried to help you, you throw around snide remarks. You honestly do believe you're correct, but I honestly think you're deluded. In SE we would call this a 'failure to manage expectations.' You did bad research, didn't understand the nuances of OCing, and, through no fault of your own, got some poor quality parts. From that point on you had two choices. You could try to learn from the experience, hit the forums around the web for expert advice, and RMA your parts. Or you could sign up for the forums here and try and start a shiatstorm by making unsubstantiated accusations about the review policy here. The first option might help you get the OC you want, and the second will not.

I'll let you win the last word contest, because this is now less beating off a troll as it is arguing against a stone. I feel sorry for you, though. Passing the buck off for your own uneducated decisions is no way to go through life, son.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: arcticool

Originally posted by: Navid

Originally posted by: arcticool

Originally posted by: Navid
I got my DS3 board from Newegg. I intentionally ordered version 1.3 and that's what I got.
I have had this setup up and running for less than 2 weeks. It is going to take me a while before I find the right spot. But, I can run Orthos (for dual core) at 380x9 with VCore set to 1.35V for about 5 minutes before Orthos stops with an error. I get no errors at 370. I think I ran Orthos for a few hours at 375 also.
I have not tried raising VCore any more.

Interesting, the only two posts I've ever seen of someone running this board successfully in this range are both in this thread and from people who have invested significant portions of their lives in anandtech forums. Assuming you're not just a fan boy making this up, and giving the benefit of the doubt, please post additional info. What BIOS are you running? How long ago did you buy the board? What volts u running at 370? What chip are you running?

It is possible that the strap issue with the DS3 is not a problem for certain very specific chips. And most of the posts I've seen where people have hit the DS3 FSB 'strap' as they're calling it, in the 9x350-390 range have been on 4300 and 6600 chips. Though again I have seen nobody getting into this range on this board with any chip at all until the two post in this thread.

Thanks for the reply.

There are polite words in your sentences. Yet, I find some of your comments offensive!
So, I choose not to answer your questions.
Thanks for your reply also.

Sorry if you take it that way.
But honestly, 4000 posts in less than 3 years is over 4 per day. By anyone's book you have an emotional investment in this site and its reputation. Rather than saying that this fact makes your particular post here biased or flat out untrue, I noted that I was keeping an open mind despite this fact and giving you the opportunity to state the details of the facts you claim- that the production DS3 board operates in the range tested by anandtech.

Outside of this thread all evidence on this motherboard has been contrary to the anandtech review and the facts you claim. All evidence of this board shows that it simply does not provide stable operation at 9x378 nor in a wide range around this setting.

You know, not all chips are created equal, nor boards - and a lot of the 965P boards have an FSB hole. That's why I got an E6400 instead of a 6300. Did you ever think about dropping your multiplier?

I mean, to be quite honest, I think your temper tantrum is rather silly. I think most any astute person would look at a review of a piece of hardware's overclocking ability and take it with a grain of salt. There are all sorts of variances in hardware that can effect overclocking - memory choice, power supply, motherboard, CPU, choice of cooling, various BIOS settings, etc. Just because Joe down the block gets 3.6 on his particular CPU doesn't mean you're guaranteed to get 3.6 on the same type of CPU.

Back in the day the Celeron 300A was one of the best overclocking chips out there. Probably 85% did 450, another 5-10% did 504, and maybe 5% wouldn't hit 450. And yeah, people bitched about that too, just like you. Take a look at the box of your CPU - it's not guaranteed to run any higher than what it's rated for. The fact that you have a dud CPU or a dud board that won't run 50% higher than stock speeds is just the luck of the draw. Deal with it.

And, for whether or not Anand gets choice hardware, sometimes it works out the other way, as well. Anand's first review of the K7M tore it up pretty good; they got a bad board. The K7M that I, and many other people got, were some of the most stable boards of their time.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Hey I've still got a k7m and a k7v boxed up. I had one of those stepthermaldynamics slot a athlons with the case removed and heatsinks on both sides oc'd to 600 via the solder method. Stepthermaldynamics didn't last long after those slot a chips though. Hell I've still got socket a t-birds boxed up as well along with some k6-233's. We've come a long ways in a short amount of time haven't we? I love it.

 

[arcticool]

I can see how so many posts here have replied that overclocking is random luck and 'you just got a bad one'.
Maybe I should have said more in my original post about overclocking since the p3-600 days and all the hardare I've had (I buy new parts, not a whole PC but something new maybe every 6 months).
And I should have said in my original post explicitly that I was not actually upset to see an initial OC of 3.2 ghz with my rev 1.3 board. I was actually amazed! That is 1.4ghz for free and the best OC I ever got.

When I became upset was when I started searching around and found nobody but nobody running 9x378 or even close.
Then more upset when reading the DS3 'strap' threads and discovering that the DS3 anand tested with was just not a production part.
Then the mid-range buyers guide came out with that rubbish of setting your reasonable target at 3.6. After reading so many reviews of people on water who got less than 3 ghz and at that point having heard of absolutely nobody at all getting over 3.3, much less 3.6. thats when I started to feel burned, not that I got a bad part, but that anands review was based upon the best e4300 ever made and a DS3 board that was obviously custom built and supplied just for their review. What made me feel even worse was the question I had to ask myself if I could really trust their reviews anymore. And sorry to say, I will still be coming here to see what's on the horizon for hardware, but for actual performance numbers, I'll be taking the anand solid gold custom built/ binned parts with a grain of salt, and going straight to the forums for that info to see what people are *really* getting.

 

[jgigz]

Originally posted by: arcticool

Originally posted by: Navid

Originally posted by: arcticool

Originally posted by: Navid
I got my DS3 board from Newegg. I intentionally ordered version 1.3 and that's what I got.
I have had this setup up and running for less than 2 weeks. It is going to take me a while before I find the right spot. But, I can run Orthos (for dual core) at 380x9 with VCore set to 1.35V for about 5 minutes before Orthos stops with an error. I get no errors at 370. I think I ran Orthos for a few hours at 375 also.
I have not tried raising VCore any more.

Interesting, the only two posts I've ever seen of someone running this board successfully in this range are both in this thread and from people who have invested significant portions of their lives in anandtech forums. Assuming you're not just a fan boy making this up, and giving the benefit of the doubt, please post additional info. What BIOS are you running? How long ago did you buy the board? What volts u running at 370? What chip are you running?

It is possible that the strap issue with the DS3 is not a problem for certain very specific chips. And most of the posts I've seen where people have hit the DS3 FSB 'strap' as they're calling it, in the 9x350-390 range have been on 4300 and 6600 chips. Though again I have seen nobody getting into this range on this board with any chip at all until the two post in this thread.

Thanks for the reply.

There are polite words in your sentences. Yet, I find some of your comments offensive!
So, I choose not to answer your questions.
Thanks for your reply also.

Sorry if you take it that way.
But honestly, 4000 posts in less than 3 years is over 4 per day. By anyone's book you have an emotional investment in this site and its reputation. Rather than saying that this fact makes your particular post here biased or flat out untrue, I noted that I was keeping an open mind despite this fact and giving you the opportunity to state the details of the facts you claim- that the production DS3 board operates in the range tested by anandtech.

Outside of this thread all evidence on this motherboard has been contrary to the anandtech review and the facts you claim. All evidence of this board shows that it simply does not provide stable operation at 9x378 nor in a wide range around this setting.

I've been following this thread for a while, found it an interseting discussion and I wanted to see what would happen. I agree with Daverino though, because, though you have been reading anand for "years" and supposedly credible on OC forums, yet you expect us to belives you on your 1st post about this subject, then, even have the balls to suspect someone of being a fanboy for having 4 posts a day and suspect his credibilaty? The people of anand forums don't allow FUD on these forums and the group has done one hell of a job at it, but unless you're going to create another account, you're not credible in my book

Oh and by the way, I could see the point in your argument, then you just lost total credibility of accusing someone else of being a fanyboy.

 

[arcticool]

I don't expect my credibility to come from # of threads but from the facts of what I'm saying.
To dismiss the facts without looking into them is stupid. To make this personal is stupid. To say I'm wrong because of # posts is stupid.

Forget who has 10 posts and who is a 4000 post 'fan boy' and stick to the facts at hand...

The e4300 cannot be 'expected' to run 3.4 or 3.6, and the DS3 does not run at 9x378.
Anandtech is getting custom and extremely 'binned' parts. Their reviews are based upon parts you can *not* expect to buy as a consumer. Period.

 

[Daverino]

Originally posted by: arcticool
I don't expect my credibility to come from # of threads but from the facts of what I'm saying.
To dismiss the facts without looking into them is stupid. To make this personal is stupid. To say I'm wrong because of # posts is stupid.

Forget who has 10 posts and who is a 4000 post 'fan boy' and stick to the facts at hand...

The e4300 cannot be 'expected' to run 3.4 or 3.6, and the DS3 does not run at 9x378.
Anandtech is getting custom and extremely 'binned' parts. Their reviews are based upon parts you can *not* expect to buy as a consumer. Period.

Sigh, you're still here. . . The only thing stupid here is you accusing Anand of getting binned parts when you have no proof. Your May E4300 does not run at 3.4 and your DS3 has a hole a 9x378 and your Ultra-120 Extreme was defective. This flies in the face of others who have had success with these components. If you really thing your sample size of one makes your conclusion valid, well, you're gonna go through life disappointed.

I saw a video once where a guy claimed that because a banana had the perfect shape to be held by hand, could be opened easily and was very nutritious that God 'intelligently designed' it for humans to eat. . . Didn't believe him either.