Anand's 9700 Review

[LukFilm]

That shouldn't be too hard - just find an nVidia optimized benchmark, I'm sure that would give 400% improvement easily.

 

[joe4324]

500%?!! whaaaa?

were did you see that? I only seen 250%...

 

[Athlon4all]

Hey guys!!!

Can you please stop bashing Imtim83, there's absolutely no need for it. People make mistakes

Oh and the R9700 does not disappoint

 

[Kara2k]

Gooo Ati! Canadians 0wns us! (us and the usa, clever huh) I got the 8500 when it came out, and I've been very happy.

One of the best points of this card is that it seems to do better and better the faster the cpu. So for newer games, newer systems, this thing should keep up very nicely.

I'm not too sure why in every video card review, there's always "If you can wait 2-3-4 months, something NEWER will be out!". With Ati and Nvidia, there is going to be a better card every 3 months. I would have liked to see more on how they think it's going to perform on faster systems, newer games, is there some feature that is coming in 3 months that is going to be a leap ahead of the 9700.

The review should have been 2 lines, 9700 owns everything currently out there, gamer freaks go nuts.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: FishTankX
10$ to the first person who can find me a benchmark where any card in history has ever beat a previous generation card by 400% in any benchmark under any circumstance! Heh.. this is a first. What's pretty sad is the R300, when dual texturing, technically has the same fillrate as the Ti4600, but is still destroying it by getting 500% the framerate!!!!

Well, in thats the case, you owe me $10

When the original GeForce SDR's came around, they were over 5X faster than the TNT2 Ultras in TreeMark (a program developed by nvidia with hardware T&L). Check any benchmarks of it at the time.

 

[FishTankX]

Clarification for Joe


1600X1200 Jedi Knight 2 Antialiasing Anistropic filtering.

Radeon9700 101FPS
Ti4600 21.6FPS

101/21.6=~5. Or 500%.

 

[FishTankX]

Okay Dexvx, I mean real world benchmark. And it can't be made by a videocard company!!

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
im gonna wait for the NV30 for 2 reasons.

1. NV30 is likely to be much faster at a similar price point, even if it isnt itll drive down the price the of the R9700.

And the card Ati releases after NV30 (.13 micron R300) will propably be faster than NV30, so why not wait for that . Point is, if you plan to wait 'till there's something better available, you will wait forever.

 

[Nemesis77]

R300 completely and utterly massacres GF4 :Q! In "normal" tests the difference is on the "whoa!"-scale, but once you enable FSAA and aniso, it goes in to "sweet mother of God!!!!"-scale ! Three times the performance in some cases!

 

[Insane3D]

Can you please stop bashing Imtim83, there's absolutely no need for it. People make mistakes.

This is true, people do make mistakes, but IMO, he clearly brought this upon himself with his recent threads. Sometimes actions have consequences, and maybe he will learn that now. You know what they say, if you can't take the heat....

 

[Markfw]

Ditto Insane 3D !!

 

[Wolfsraider]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Can you please stop bashing Imtim83, there's absolutely no need for it. People make mistakes.

This is true, people do make mistakes, but IMO, he clearly brought this upon himself with his recent threads. Sometimes actions have consequences, and maybe he will learn that now. You know what they say, if you can't take the heat....

truth be told he wasn't that far out of line

he asked questions and gave his views

i didn't find any posts where he was abusive

just pushy in getting people to see it his way

not a good thing but then again no harm done

mike

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: LukFilm
That shouldn't be too hard - just find an nVidia optimized benchmark, I'm sure that would give 400% improvement easily.

they did that both Anand and Tom, the Radeon totaly trashed the 4600 in all benchmarks created for nVidia cards, even more than in other benchmarks.

 

[RagingGuardian]

Imtim83 reminds me of Hardware, only difference being his grammar is good and his posts are never ***CONFIRMED***

 

[mchammer187]

all i can do is drool

too bad i have only a 15in LCD

need a 2000FP to take advantage of what this card has to offer

 

[Hellbinder]

The thing that NONE of you are considering..

Why the heck did anand use 4x ansio for the gf4 against 16x aniso for the 9700 in ALL his tests.???

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1683&p=18

The 9700 aniso is now trilinear filterd, 4x = 4x, 8x =8x etc... This is one of the most lopsided, unballanced comparrisons i have ever read! The quality between the two is not even close!!!!!!!!!!! Do you have ANY idea how much WORSE the gf4 would have been sloughtered if both were doing 8x Aniso?????? Even toms hardware points out that 9700's 16x Aniso looks much better than Nvidias 8x offering. and that the 8x offerings are now the same...

But to compare 4x to 16x.... simply unbelievable!!! I own a Gf4 Ti 4200 and i know what 4x aniso looks like. Its ok and all. but....

Good grief folks!

 

[LukFilm]

Geez, knock it off, already. ATI smashes NVIDIA regardless...

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by: Hellbinder
The thing that NONE of you are considering..

Why the heck did anand use 4x ansio for the gf4 against 16x aniso for the 9700 in ALL his tests.???

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1683&p=18

The 9700 aniso is now trilinear filterd, 4x = 4x, 8x =8x etc... This is one of the most lopsided, unballanced comparrisons i have ever read! The quality between the two is not even close!!!!!!!!!!! Do you have ANY idea how much WORSE the gf4 would have been sloughtered if both were doing 8x Aniso?????? Even toms hardware points out that 9700's 16x Aniso looks much better than Nvidias 8x offering. and that the 8x offerings are now the same...

But to compare 4x to 16x.... simply unbelievable!!! I own a Gf4 Ti 4200 and i know what 4x aniso looks like. Its ok and all. but....

Good grief folks!

Hellbinder run back to the rage3d forums, we don't need your "Anand is biased" junk spewed here also. I've seen my share of Nvidia and ATI zealots in my day, but you take the cake!!

 

[Hellbinder]

No, not "just knock it off already"

It is simply unjustifiable to compare 4x to 16x with no mention of quality or anything.. especially since BOTH cards could have been ran with the SAME SETTINGS! etiher 4x or 8x....

Fairness in reviewing is impoprtant. It does not matter which one was faster. Its the principle. I think anand needs to give an answer as to WHY he did that.

 

[Anubis]

i agree with hellbinder, the reviews should have been equal. why use the higher setting on the ATI card and the low setting on Nvida? i mean what is the point? the fact that the 9700 still beat the gf4 is still funnier. but the tests should have been equal for the sake of accuracy.

 

[Leo V]

The benchmarks prove nothing! Everyone knows ATI inferior, 3dfx the one true god! The Voodoo5 6000 will destroy you! Bow down, ungrateful infidels!

Seriously though, when you consider both speed and image quality allowed by it, the R300 is a solid 2-2.5X better than the GeForce4 series. Finally 4xFSAA+Aniso will become the standard. I'm very impressed. Future games with loads of polygons will look MUCH better at 800 or 1024x768x32 (fsaa+aniso) than they will at vanilla 1600x1200. Don't forget how realistic those movies look on your 640x480 TV set!

 

[Alkali]

Hell, I am sure what Anand was doing is to show you even though the Radeon is being pushed to do far more work (at x16) it still absolutely wh00ps GeForce a$$ (at x4)

 

[Aquaman]

Originally posted by: Hellbinder
No, not "just knock it off already"

It is simply unjustifiable to compare 4x to 16x with no mention of quality or anything.. especially since BOTH cards could have been ran with the SAME SETTINGS! etiher 4x or 8x....

Fairness in reviewing is impoprtant. It does not matter which one was faster. Its the principle. I think anand needs to give an answer as to WHY he did that.

I think you should ask that question in the article forum:

Article Forum

I'm sure you will get an answer from Anand.

Cheers,
Aquaman

 

[joe4324]

You are correct fistank, that is 500% better performance. I wish it was in more then "1" specific benchmark because that would be even more awesome, but as it stands its quite impressive.

 

[Alkali]

If anyone wants some really detailed 2, 4x, 8x, 16x whatever comparisons, head over to another review from FiringSquad (direct link)