Anands X850 Article is up

Jun 14, 2003
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does sound abit scrap heap challenge that fan on there,

the x800xl looks like ati have finally filled that gap between x800pro and 6800gt, tho they still goin to offer a x850pro,
 

amheck

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I really hope that x800XL lives up to what I'm hoping. I really want somethng like a 6800GT and this looks to be about the same performance, maybe even $50 less with the $349 MSRP. Maybe it will even help drive the GT prices down.
 
Jan 31, 2002
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Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
does sound abit scrap heap challenge that fan on there,

the x800xl looks like ati have finally filled that gap between x800pro and 6800gt, tho they still goin to offer a x850pro,

...

What?

- M4H
 

Lonyo

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
does sound abit scrap heap challenge that fan on there,

the x800xl looks like ati have finally filled that gap between x800pro and 6800gt, tho they still goin to offer a x850pro,

...

What?

- M4H
The fan on the card sounds like something thrown together, like they do on Scrapheap Challenge (UK Junkyard Wars)
With the X800XL, ATi have offered a product which will finally compete with the 6800GT offered by nVidia, as the X800Pro is an underperforming card.
However, ATi are still releasing an X850Pro (which seems useless - inferred)
 
Jan 31, 2002
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Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
does sound abit scrap heap challenge that fan on there,

the x800xl looks like ati have finally filled that gap between x800pro and 6800gt, tho they still goin to offer a x850pro,

...

What?

- M4H
The fan on the card sounds like something thrown together, like they do on Scrapheap Challenge (UK Junkyard Wars)
With the X800XL, ATi have offered a product which will finally compete with the 6800GT offered by nVidia, as the X800Pro is an underperforming card.
However, ATi are still releasing an X850Pro (which seems useless - inferred)

Ah, thank you.

- M4H
 

BW86

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Jul 20, 2004
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YEah I downloaded the sound clip...that hing is friggin loud :Q
 

LTC8K6

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Aside from the hi-revving but throaty turbo charged 4-cylinder-like whine at boot time, the card calms down and runs quite quietly even under the highest gaming stress.

Not loud at all after boot though. The sound clip is at boot.
 

gururu

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Jul 16, 2002
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i can't believe how many X800 cards they have now. simply ridiculous. :disgust:
 

Kabob

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Haha, we now have:

X850XT PE
X850 Pro
X800 XT PE
X800 XT
X800 XL
X800 Pro
X800

Hooray!...

X800 XL looks like a nice card though...if it can come close to the 6800 GT, sign me up!!
 

Insomniak

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I see now that Nvidia paved the way for dual slot cooling solutions, ATi is following suit...

Kind of funny how ATi let Big Green pioneer it and do all the footwork, then just carbon copied when the community was used to it. Let the competition do it first, take all the bad press for it, and then bring out our own. Same with SLI.

I have to say, this is one reason I prefer Nvidia to ATi. They seem to be more about advancing the industry and making groundbreaking moves than the Red Guys, who are technically still feeding us the same core they debuted in August '02, over 2 years ago.
 

LTC8K6

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ATI didn't need a dual slot cooler until now, so why would they have ever "pioneered" it?

Being the first to make a GPU that needed a dual slot cooler could only be viewed as good by an NVidia supporter.

I guess Intel is better than AMD for making hotter CPU's first.

I don't think NV pioneered the dual slot cooler anyway. SLI either.
 

Spamdini

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the fact that that same core is competitive goes to show u something though dont u think?
 

nitromullet

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X800 XL looks like a nice card though...if it can come close to the 6800 GT, sign me up!!
Yeah, this card looks like it will be ATi's sweet spot if it sells at $350. This is really the card that ATI has needed There was too large of a gap in their lineup between the X800Pro and the X800XT (PE), and the Pro was overpriced in comparison to the GT.
 

TimisoaraKill

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X800 XL look damn good for the money , 400mhz core in 0.11 sound's very promissing for overclockers as well .


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Insomniak

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Originally posted by: Spamdini
the fact that that same core is competitive goes to show u something though dont u think?



Oh I'm not disputing that the R300 was and is an extremely good core. But that's the same reason ATi lost the feature-set lead. They don't have SM3.0. They don't have 32 bit FP precision.

Now, are those features needed right now? No. We probably won't see software making extensive use of those features until next generation. But regardless, having those features implemented and available speaks to me of forward thinking - looking to advance the technology as fast as possible.

ATi makes great cards. I have nothing against them, But when it comes down to the little things, I live what I see produced on the Nvidia side of the fence a little more.
 

jiffylube1024

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Wow, well that release was a whole lot o' nothing. And we thought the 9800 Pro was only a step up from the 9700 Pro - this is worse. Not only is the difference even smaller between the top end parts, but ATI is releasing (IMO) too many parts today. All of these cards (perhaps excepting the X800 plain) are in the high-end spectrum, so these aren't even the cards that most users can afford. Do we really need FOUR new cards for just the top end:

X850XT PE
X850XT
X850 Pro
X800XL

Add this to already existing lineup in that bracket of:

X800XT PE
X800XT
X800 Pro

now we have eight products in the >$350 market, which is probably 1% of their total sales. Just great...

Insomniak earlier talked about Nvidia "innovation" . Unfortunately, releasing too many 'refresh' cards is another innovation that ATI has since copied. Remember the 5900 launch, where they then trumped themselves with the rare 5950 to coincide with the vastly more popular 5900XT (and necessarily slower) .

I can see why they think they have to do this - competition is so tight that they have to look better in benchmarks even by putting out ultra rare/vaporware parts.

Allegedly, the name of the X850 game will be availability. We will see. With so many parts coming out, I doubt all of the parts will be popular. The X850 Pro and X850XT (non PE) have no real purpose but to fill out their price spectrum; the X850XT PE and X800XL are the real meat here.

I'm glad ATI is producing some new cards on .11 because they should be cheaper (and maybe some good overclockers), but this many cards is pointless and self-defeating. They seem to be unsure of what pricepoints to target, so just to be safe they're covering all of them.

----------------------------------------------------

To take another perspective, ATI is being honest today with their new lineup - chances are not all of these new cards will be sold in quantity to the mainstream markets. If availability is good, then there will be essentially no market for the X850XT (non PE) or the X850 Pro, so most likely the X850XT PE and especially the X800XL will be the ones which attract buyers. In this light, the X850XT and X850 Pro will probably only only be sold by companies like Dell, much like the X800SE and 6800GTO, which are mainly lower-end parts for companies like Dell (although they are still part of the >$200 high-end market). But does ATI really need to announce all of these parts at once?

It's kind of deflating when they launch five new cards only for us to discover that the best of them is (up to) 10% faster than the previous cards, only.
 

Insomniak

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Originally posted by: LTC8K6
ATI didn't need a dual slot cooler until now, so why would they have ever "pioneered" it?

Being the first to make a GPU that needed a dual slot cooler could only be viewed as good by an NVidia supporter.

I guess Intel is better than AMD for making hotter CPU's first.

I don't think NV pioneered the dual slot cooler anyway. SLI either.



You're missing my point. ATi (and of course, the community spankers) were quick to jump on the bash-wagon when NV30+ cards started using a dual slot solution. They bandied on about how terrible it was, etc etc.

And of course, now they're doing it.

Same deal with SLI. When Nvidia announced it, ATi came out all over the place saying "it's too cost prohibitive, there's no market for it, power consumption, diddly diddly da" - and now, as we all know, they have their own version in the works.

Don't misunderstand - Nvidia's PR machine is just as bad. They talk about R300s "low precision" (24bit v 32bit), and the "lack of features" (SM3.0, etc.)

The only real difference I've noted is that I have yet to see Nvidia then go and replicate something they've chided ATi over. Nvidia, I imagine, very easily could've worked 24 bit FP precision into NV40 along with the 16 and 32 options in order to put themselves on equal performance footing, but they didn't. I'm sure they could've bolted 12 extra pipes onto a previous core, but they didn't.

Both companies have skeletons - both have cheated on benchmarks, both FUD each other all over the place, but when you get down to the direction each company has chosen thus far, I just think Nvidia has made consistently good design decisions, excluding the major misstep that was the NV30 core.

But then, if we want to talk about major missteps, we can talk about anything pre-R300

Really it's a taste thing. Go with the features you want for the price you want from the company you want. There really aren't any wrong answers this generation - both chips put out good numbers with good IQ.
 

Mem

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X800 XL looks like a nice card though...if it can come close to the 6800 GT, sign me up!!

I agree,lets hope we`ll see some real benchmarks soon against the 6800GT.
 

Pete

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The main problem with FX Flow was that it was loud. This ATi cooler doesn't seem to share that trait.

And slapping on a bigger cooler is not in the same league as reworking a core to allow for FP24 precision.

All these X800 and X850 models, tho, are lame. ATi has too damn many price points for consumers to choo-choo-choose from, but I guess when you're in it for the money, you're going to squeeze every drop from even the imperfect cores.
 
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