AnandTech Half-Life 2 Info :)

[ShawnD1]

How about we all just calm down until the game is actually out.

I'll keep you posted how my GF2 Ti200 handles it

 

[Viper96720]

Then when ATI optimizes for the game Nvidia goes back down again if their 50 series does help.

 

[vss1980]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1
How about we all just calm down until the game is actually out.

I'll keep you posted how my GF2 Ti200 handles it

A shame we're not actually seeing any performance numbers for DX8 cards such as the GF4's and Radeon 8500<->9200 cards, and a couple of DX7 cards such as the GF2's and older Radeons.

I might be blessed with the amusement of seeing the GF FX 5200/5600 trashed by the technically less superior GF4's (and comedy value permitting, some GF3's also) and my bargain purchase of a R9000 Pro a while back.

EDIT: P.S. I also find it rather suspect that nvidia release new beta 50.xx drivers to select press and companies today just as the bad publicity hits.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: Budman

Originally posted by: NFS4
So is HL2 still gonna be released on Sept 30th?

Yes and on Oct 1 I will watch out for Nebor's thread on how slow his card plays it.

ROFLMAO

I'm sure that the performance with the new Det 50 drivers will be much better and nearly equal to the Radeon cards...it remains to be seen if the image quality will suffer b/c of the performance increase.

Either way, something smells fishy on the NVIDIA side of things...

IQ sucks as is with nvidia, i hate to think how much worse it can get

 

[Regs]

Well Nebor, let me make this simple comparison to get this ideological thought: "More is always better", out of your head.

Dump truck running a v-10 diesel with 500 bhps, Honda Civic running a in-line 4 cly with 120 bhps. Which one will perform better in performance?

Sometimes more, is just more.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Nebor
THey had all the time in the world to optimize the drivers, and the drivers were made available to Valve for testing.... But Valve, wanting to make ATI look great, demands that the 50.. dets not be used.... Seems pretty clear to me.

Valve and ATI attempt to gang up on NVIDIA.... but once HL2 is released, and NVIDIA can tear it apart and make drivers to run it well, Valve will no longer be able to screw nvidia over.

It's a conspiracy....Get over it. The 5900 isn't cutting it at the moment..Maybe the Det 50's will change that, but until then...

 

[MaDDaWg1018]

haha, i guess this argument could go on forever. its like asking...republican or democrat? black or white? shower or bath?

the only reason i favor (or at least used to favor, now im not sure) nvidia is because of the fact that i got screwed over w/ ATI a few years back when i purchased a computer that came w/ their video card that got outdated in 2 weeks after they stopped support for it! =\

but as far as performance, flexibility, overclockability, and value, it seems that ATI has the edge...for now...

but either way, im sure that by the time those games come out, things may change.

 

[Corporate Thug]

i hope u guys arent dissapointed when Det50 will run Hl2 @ 70 FPS but the picture is so blurred you cant mak out your own character

 

[ShawnD1]

Great comparisson . Technically the truck goes slower but in the end it can haul more in a given period of time.
Amount of ram is like that too. In some cases, 256mb cards actually performed slower than 128mb cards of the same series - go figure.

 

[vss1980]

I wonder if this is a possible reason that the Det 50.xx's were not used:

As you can tell from looking at the list in the slide above, Newell was concerned particularly with some of the techniques NVIDIA has used in recent driver releases, although he didn't exempt other graphics hardware makers from his complaints. He said they had seen cases where fog was completely removed from a level in one of Valve's games, by the graphics driver software, in order to improve performance. I asked him to clarify which game, and he said it was Half-Life 2. Apparently, this activity has gone on while the game is still in development. He also mentioned that he's seen drivers detect screen capture attempts and output higher quality data than what's actually shown in-game.

- Tech Report article

Kinda screams of reviewer/benchmarking drivers.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: Regs
Well Nebor, let me make this simple comparison to get this ideological thought: "More is always better", out of your head.

Dump truck running a v-10 diesel with 500 bhps, Honda Civic running a in-line 4 cly with 120 bhps. Which one will perform better in performance?

Sometimes more, is just more.

What performance criteria are you comparing? Let's see the Honda even start moving when carrying a load only 1/10th what the dump truck can carry. In this case the dump truck completely clobbers the Honda in performance. What do you say?

 

[SithSolo1]

I thought this would be as good a placeas any to put this, so here goes. Never knew what an nVidiot was so I looked it up:


nVidiot


:Q


Someone needs to post a good one for us fanATIcs.

 

[ShawnD1]

"Let's see the Honda even start moving when carrying a load only 1/10th what the dump truck can carry. In this case the dump truck completely clobbers the Honda in performance. What do you say?"

Oh wow, your honda will win the race 1% of the time. Lets all go buy hondas for hauling garbage because they might be faster when the moon turns into cheese.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: SithSolo1
I thought this would be as good a placeas any to put this, so here goes. Never knew what an nVidiot was so I looked it up:


nVidiot

That dictionary is hardly credible. Look what it says about me (I did not add any of these)
shawn

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: SithSolo1
I thought this would be as good a placeas any to put this, so here goes. Never knew what an nVidiot was so I looked it up:


nVidiot


:Q


Someone needs to post a good one for us fanATIcs.

nVidiot
"uhN-Vi-diot" Click once to rate this definition: (votes: 6)

Person with religious or sexual feelings towards nVIDIA products.

Person claiming any nVIDIA product is superior regardless of test results and common knowledge.

1. Can't you see the ATI 9700 Pro is far superior to the GeForce 4, you nVidiot?

2. That nVidiot claims his GeForce 2 got him 15000 3Dmarks (see 3dmark)


LMAO good one.

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: SithSolo1
I thought this would be as good a placeas any to put this, so here goes. Never knew what an nVidiot was so I looked it up:


nVidiot

That dictionary is hardly credible. Look what it says about me (I did not add any of these)
shawn

WOW it really is very accurate.

 

[SithSolo1]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: SithSolo1
I thought this would be as good a placeas any to put this, so here goes. Never knew what an nVidiot was so I looked it up:


nVidiot

That dictionary is hardly credible. Look what it says about me (I did not add any of these)
shawn

Looks fairly accurate to me.

I got pwnd by Budman, he's just too quick.

 

[Shad0hawK]

first off befor ethe flame happy get started i am not a fanboy for ATI or Nvidia, in fact i think we need a third company to get into the mix.

this is a big step backward for the industry, back to the if you want to play this game then you need this card glide days. i know gabe newell swears up and down they did not make the game optimized for ATI, but is he telling the truth? i do not think so, ATI has pumped lots of $$$ and only a true fool does not think they will not get a return on thieir investment. what really strikes me is the $$$per fps chart at this ATI sponsered event, only the truly blind cannot see such an obvious marketing ploy for what it is while the perpretrators basically get up there and lie about it. saying a game happens to run better on x card is one thing, putting up a chart at an event sponsered by the same company that happens to make the card the $$$per fps chart favors is simply an advertisment, and to me takes alot of credibility away from what valve is saying.

the date does not escape me either 1. so close to the release HL2 and 2. the days date...9-11. ATI and valve have flown thier collective plane into the Nvidia tower... very symbolic indeed.

gabe newell does not want reviewers to post #'s with nvidia det 5's he says nvidia has optimizations that give misleading results, but why not allow the reviewers to use tools like binkvideo that are accurate depections of ingame performance and image quality? after all valve themselves used this same tool to make the movies we see on steam for the same reasons...plus if the counter is telling us we are getting 70 fps but what we see on the screen is really 30-40 fps anyone would be able to tell right away something was up. what is it the business partners valve and ATI do not want us to see for ourselves?

very fishy indeed.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
first off befor ethe flame happy get started i am not a fanboy for ATI or Nvidia, in fact i think we need a third company to get into the mix.

this is a big step backward for the industry, back to the if you want to play this game then you need this card glide days. i know gabe newell swears up and down they did not make the game optimized for ATI, but is he telling the truth? i do not think so, ATI has pumped lots of $$$ and only a true fool does not think they will not get a return on thieir investment. what really strikes me is the $$$per fps chart at this ATI sponsered event, only the truly blind cannot see such an obvious marketing ploy for what it is while the perpretrators basically get up there and lie about it. saying a game happens to run better on x card is one thing, putting up a chart at an event sponsered by the same company that happens to make the card the $$$per fps chart favors is simply an advertisment, and to me takes alot of credibility away from what valve is saying.

the date does not escape me either 1. so close to the release HL2 and 2. the days date...9-11. ATI and valve have flown thier collective plane into the Nvidia tower... very symbolic indeed.

gabe newell does not want reviewers to post #'s with nvidia det 5's he says nvidia has optimizations that give misleading results, but why not allow the reviewers to use tools like binkvideo that are accurate depections of ingame performance and image quality? after all valve themselves used this same tool to make the movies we see on steam for the same reasons...plus if the counter is telling us we are getting 70 fps but what we see on the screen is really 30-40 fps anyone would be able to tell right away something was up. what is it the business partners valve and ATI do not want us to see for ourselves?

very fishy indeed.

my god, how many times are we gonna repeat the same thing? REGARDLESS of the HL2 performance, it has been documented by several different sites that the 5900 ultra has POOR PS2 PERFORMANCE. HL2 is just confirming. i'm willing to wager if you run any other DX9 game with PS2 youll get similar results

 

[ShawnD1]

Look at that graph one more time and you will see that it actually says the FX5600 is the best deal.
http://www.gamersdepot.com/hardware...vidia/dx9_desktop/HL2_benchmarks/dx9_full.gif

The title of the graph says it's FPS/$
The X axis says it's $/FPS

Whoever made that graph is a retard.

 

[Spicedaddy]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1
Look at that graph one more time and you will see that it actually says the FX5600 is the best deal.
http://www.gamersdepot.com/hardware/video_cards/ati_vs_nvidia/dx9_desktop/HL2_benchmarks/dx9_full.gif

The title of the graph says it's FPS/$
The X axis says it's $/FPS

It says the FX5600 costs about $0.11 for each fps. It says the Radeon 9600 costs about $0.38 cents for each fps.
Under that it says
"Valve did a little homework on Pricewatch to see which card offers best frame rate for the dollar - yes, we're just as surprised as you are to see the 9600 Pro take the top honors. That doesn't meant at all that it's the best card, just the best value."

The graph says the 9600 is the biggest scam. The benchmarks say it did well and the text says it's the best deal. Whoever did those graphs is a complete retard.

FPS/$

edit your post before people see it


edit- never mind, there's a typo at the bottom.

 

[NFS4]

You know, I was just thinking. What are the chances that a driver could magically give a game that is three weeks away from release an over 100% or more increase in frame rates?

I don't remember ATI coming out with some magic driver when they got owned in Doom 3 benchmarks (at least not that I recall). And even if they did, I doubt it was a 100% or greater increase.

If NVIDIA's PS 2.0 performance on the FX series of cards truly is abmyssal, it seems as though it would take more than one driver revision to get things back up to speed...if it all if it's a hardware defect/mis-design.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: NFS4
You know, I was just thinking. What are the chances that a driver could magically give a game that is three weeks away from release an over 100% or more increase in frame rates?

I don't remember ATI coming out with some magic driver when they got owned in Doom 3 benchmarks (at least not that I recall). And even if they did, I doubt it was a 100% or greater increase.

If NVIDIA's PS 2.0 performance on the FX series of cards truly is abmyssal, it seems as though it would take more than one driver revision to get things back up to speed...if it all if it's a hardware defect/mis-design.

i think ATi learned its lesson with QIII, i dont know if i can say the same for nvidia

 

[Duvie]

I have to say this is far more entertaining then the Intel/AMD flame wars, or should I say FAN wars.....

I have to say I am not a gamer and likely wouldn't ever play HL2 unless I upgrade my 8500DV AIW to say a 9600AIW and it came bundled with it, which at the moment I can't see why as this 8500 does its job quite well for me....

I have had about 5-6 nvidia cards in the last 3 years and about 4 ATI cards......IN the end I have been happy with Nvidias driver support and ease of driver updates, with ATI not so much. However the ATI cards usually cost me less and the quality in my CADD work and in watching DVDs has always looked better with ATI. I directly compared GF2pro to Radeon and GF4 to Radeon 8500 and it was obvious to me....


That being said I like to buy best value for the buck so I have no allegiances....

Heck I may even get an A64 if the price comes down and it actually starts putting up numbers in real world multimedia apps like it did in gaming....

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Duvie
I have to say this is far more entertaining then the Intel/AMD flame wars, or should I say FAN wars.....

I have to say I am not a gamer and likely wouldn't ever play HL2 unless I upgrade my 8500DV AIW to say a 9600AIW and it came bundled with it, which at the moment I can't see why as this 8500 does its job quite well for me....

I have had about 5-6 nvidia cards in the last 3 years and about 4 ATI cards......IN the end I have been happy with Nvidias driver support and ease of driver updates, with ATI not so much. However the ATI cards usually cost me less and the quality in my CADD work and in watching DVDs has always looked better with ATI. I directly compared GF2pro to Radeon and GF4 to Radeon 8500 and it was obvious to me....


That being said I like to buy best value for the buck so I have no allegiances....

Heck I may even get an A64 if the price comes down and it actually starts putting up numbers in real world multimedia apps like it did in gaming....

I'm with you, I have no particular allegience...just whoever has the best price/performance ratio at the time. As far as CPUs go, in the past 4 years I've had:

Athlon 600
Duron 950
1.4GHz Thunderbird
Athlon XP 1500+ (I think that's what it was)
Pentium 4 1.8A @ 2.4GHz
Pentium 4 2.4C @ 3.06GHz

As for graphics cards:

Elsa TNT
Voodoo 3 3000
Gigabyte GeForce 256
Asus GeForce2 GTS
Radeon AIW (original)
GeForce3 Ti200
GeForce4 Ti4200
Radeon 9700 Pro
Radeon 9600 Pro (had to downgrade due to incompatibility with my rev 9700 Pro and i875P)