Anandtech iPhone 5S Review

bearxor

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As much as I'll read this and examine it all, I do find it very odd that we have to wait (seemingly) forever for Android phone reviews, but a new iPhone release is reviewed a day and a half before it's even available to buy.
 

Aikouka

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As much as I'll read this and examine it all, I do find it very odd that we have to wait (seemingly) forever for Android phone reviews, but a new iPhone release is reviewed a day and a half before it's even available to buy.

The iPhone 5 review came out on Oct 16, which was nearly a full month after the phone's release. Also, Brian has been pretty busy lately, which is probably why there's been a delay in some of the Android reviews. Also, there are a crap-ton of Android phones and only one iPhone a year (two if you count the 5C).
 

slashbinslashbash

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As much as I'll read this and examine it all, I do find it very odd that we have to wait (seemingly) forever for Android phone reviews, but a new iPhone release is reviewed a day and a half before it's even available to buy.

Do most Android phones come with completely new CPU designs? This is the first 64-bit ARM implementation to be commercially available.

I consider Anand's iPhone/iPad reviews to be somewhat of a combo between a CPU/GPU review, and a device review. And yes I have been reading AnandTech since the days of the original Athlon, GeForce 2, Radeon 8500, etc. This is the stuff that really drives Anand IMO: he's really in the review business for the silicon.
 

Ns1

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Well, I was on the fence before but looks like I'll be getting a 5s ^_^
 

RossMAN

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Well, I was on the fence before but looks like I'll be getting a 5s ^_^

I'm kinda on the fence between this, keeping my LG L9, or getting the spanking new Nexus 5 or Moto X.

It will probably depend on the carrier and the plan.
 

Aikouka

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I doubt that I'd be able to get one if the poor supply rumor is true since I'd have to buy one off-contract or switch back to AT&T. At this point, I'd really like the TouchID sensor, but I may end up waiting for a 6. Although, if the iPad rumors end up coming to fruition (smaller bezels, etc.), I may just pick up one of those instead.
 

Kaido

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review

I saw this pop up across my Twitter feed, and I thought I'd share the news! Gotta get to reading now.

Nice, thanks! The purple flare issue from the 5 appears to be resolved. I only saw one shot where I could see purple in a flare (middle lamppost with the white light), and it's not any worse than any other cell phone camera:

http://images.anandtech.com/galleries/3082/IMG_1596_575px.JPG

This is very promising. I loved the speed of the 5 for doing photos & the improved camera, but that purple flare thing really threw me off. And I've had a couple buddies pick up 5's recently and they still exhibit the same issue, so I'll be super glad to hear they 100% solved it in the 5S! Although, now my contract isn't due for another year, so I'll probably be looking at a 6 instead :biggrin:
 

bearxor

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The iPhone 5 review came out on Oct 16, which was nearly a full month after the phone's release. Also, Brian has been pretty busy lately, which is probably why there's been a delay in some of the Android reviews. Also, there are a crap-ton of Android phones and only one iPhone a year (two if you count the 5C).

All I was really saying is that, for a site that's already accused of bias for Apple around here, it just doesn't help the image.

Especially when we've been waiting on things like part 2 of the Galaxy S4 review for months. The LG G2 is out already, where's it's review? Lumia 1020? Nexus 7 2013?

Normally, I love that Anand takes extra time with a review. It gives me the sense that they've really taken their time and examined all aspects of the device. Having a review out "this soon" for a device makes me feel like it's rushed and probably part of some agreement to have a review posted before launch.

Not that I'm REALLY complaining about the review. There's lots of good stuff in there. I was going to upgrade my 5 to a 5S and pass my 5 down to my wife. Now I'm thinking I'll get her a 5S, then sell her 4S and my 5 to purchase a 5S for myself.
 

Red Storm

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I don't think there's any doubt AT has a bias towards Apple. That's a big difference from something like being paid to have a bias, which I'm sure they don't. Ultimately it's their decision what gets reviewed quickly and what doesn't, it's just unfortunate how evident the bias is.
 

Eug

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I think AnandTech has a bias towards good products, and products with lots of market penetration, for obvious reasons.
 

Eug

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Hahah.

Yeah strange though about the S4. Part 1 came out 5 months ago. That said, Part 1 is pretty long already.
 

Aikouka

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Especially when we've been waiting on things like part 2 of the Galaxy S4 review for months. The LG G2 is out already, where's it's review? Lumia 1020? Nexus 7 2013?

Like I said, ask Brian. Anand wrote the two iPhone reviews where Brian wrote the partial Galaxy S4 review. Brian is usually the de facto mobile reviewer, but Anand does tend to get the Apple devices.

Normally, I love that Anand takes extra time with a review. It gives me the sense that they've really taken their time and examined all aspects of the device. Having a review out "this soon" for a device makes me feel like it's rushed and probably part of some agreement to have a review posted before launch.

He did say in a tweet that he had to cut a few things from the review. I, for one, was pretty disappointed not to see the usual pooch pictures.

It most likely came down to somewhat of a business decision. Being late on a review probably doesn't help when some of your money comes from ad monetization. Sure, people will still read it, but you want that 0-Day monetization.

Not that I'm REALLY complaining about the review. There's lots of good stuff in there. I was going to upgrade my 5 to a 5S and pass my 5 down to my wife. Now I'm thinking I'll get her a 5S, then sell her 4S and my 5 to purchase a 5S for myself.

I was tempted to get one, but the rumored strained supply may make me wait for a 6. However, as I mentioned in the other thread, based on the photos/videos that I've seen, I am interested in the new iPad.

One thing that I did like about the review was that it was the first place that finally showed the bottom of Apple's case. One thing that I hate about slim cases are when they take the lazy approach to making ports, etc. accessible by just creating huge cut-outs. I like covering as much as possible to ensure I don't scratch up my device, and the bottom is especially important given I may try to plug in my phone in the dark!

I don't think there's any doubt AT has a bias towards Apple.

I don't get why people keep saying that AnandTech has a bias toward Apple. The iPhone 5s review criticizes some of the odd omissions on the phone, and even outright states that Apple ought to consider a slightly larger phone. If you go back to the new Air refresh, Anand was very pleased about the battery life (for good reasons), but also critical about the low-resolution screen.

I think the problem is that Apple tends to do some interesting things with some of their devices, and you usually see a bit of fervor about those. For example, Anand was pretty ecstatic over the A6 and now the A7. It's pretty obvious why he was excited from a technical standpoint as the prior was Apple's first foray into designing their own silicon and the latter was the first 64-bit ARM processor, which he outright states that he didn't expect.

To sum it up, you people read way too much into things sometimes. There isn't always something murky under the surface :\

That's a big difference from something like being paid to have a bias, which I'm sure they don't.

No, bias is a bad thing regardless of whether you're being paid or not.
 

Red Storm

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I don't get why people keep saying that AnandTech has a bias toward Apple. The iPhone 5s review criticizes some of the odd omissions on the phone, and even outright states that Apple ought to consider a slightly larger phone. If you go back to the new Air refresh, Anand was very pleased about the battery life (for good reasons), but also critical about the low-resolution screen.

I think the problem is that Apple tends to do some interesting things with some of their devices, and you usually see a bit of fervor about those. For example, Anand was pretty ecstatic over the A6 and now the A7. It's pretty obvious why he was excited from a technical standpoint as the prior was Apple's first foray into designing their own silicon and the latter was the first 64-bit ARM processor, which he outright states that he didn't expect.

To sum it up, you people read way too much into things sometimes. There isn't always something murky under the surface :\

It's not about whether they like a product or not, it's their prioritization. New Apple device? Drop everything and review!!! New Android flagship? In a few months we'll put out a Part 1 and then maybe think about the Part 2. Some of the best battery performing Android phones still aren't in the battery comparison chart. Some flagships never got their review. If mobile is as important as AT likes to tell us, they sure don't act like it when it comes to something other than Apple.
 

Eug

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I wonder which Android companies actually gives AT their phones.

We know that Anand didn't go out a buy a 5S, so he got phone straight from Apple for review.

OTOH, we also know that for some of the other products, Anand doesn't always get a unit for review. So they actually have to go out and buy one.

And face it, an iPhone 5 review is gonna generate a lot more page hits than a review of the RAZR HD (which is my current phone).
 

Red Storm

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Still waiting on the Galaxy S4 Part 2. Still no Galaxy Note or Maxx phones in the battery comparison charts. The hate on plastic and the constant use of that word in Android reviews, but not a bleep about the greatness of metal and instead only saying "polycarbonate" for the Apple review...

I don't see how anyone can argue against the fact that AT doesn't put more priority on Apple products compared to other mobile brands. We've gone through years and years of phone releases to back it up.
 

Ns1

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With apple they have one chance every year to review iPhones so they can't fuck up.

They review android flagships monthly.
 

LeoW

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I'm planning on getting the 5s, and the reason I'm excited about the the thumbprint scanner is accessing home automation controls faster through the iPhone. If the thumbprint work like it's supposed to, it will be a big help. Since I can use my phone to control the audio in my house, the cable boxes, security, lights, A/C, etc, not having to type in a code and swipe, every time I want to access an app will be HUGE.
 

blackened23

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So after seeing these benchmarks, it appears that the "Why in the world did Apple use a 64-bit SOC" crowd is now mysteriously silent.
 

bearxor

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The hate on plastic and the constant use of that word in Android reviews, but not a bleep about the greatness of metal and instead only saying "polycarbonate" for the Apple review...

Well, they have basically said that companies other than Samsung make decent plastic devices. They specifically called out HTC and Nokia in the 5C article as being great plastic devices.

The problem, however, is that they simply don't review those devices very often. I can't find a single review of a Nokia Lumia device. There's a few article about the announcements and some hands on impressions but no review articles. The closest we get is the Lumia 521 look. It's a few pages long but isn't marked as a review. And it's not done by Brian or Anand. Basically, they just dislike Samsung's plastic. Who can really blame them? Every Samsung device I hold feels cheap. The Lumia 920 felt really nice, however.

And, Aikouka, it doesn't matter whom is posting these reviews. They're being done and they're getting up there. No one reads this site and builds separate boxes in their minds about the reviews done by Anand or the reviews done by Brian. They're AnandTech reviews. If Brian doesn't have the time or ability to do his job as the "Senior Smartphone Editor" to keep up with reviewing devices, then that's probably something Anand and Brian should talk about because it reflects badly to some people on the site that several Adnroid releases go by without a proper review but a new iPhone review hits before it's even on the shelf.

To be quite honest, I prefer that Anand does the Apple reviews and the Brian does the Android reviews. Brian seems to like Android and Anand like iOS. I think at this point that's the way it should be. I agree with Anand when he says that most people don't cross-shop. While I don't want to ignore what the other side is doing I'm not really interested in how an iPhone 5S stacks up against a LG G2 or a HTC One. I want to know if it's worth upgrading from an iPhone 5 or an iPhone 4S.

Similarly, if I have a HTC One X or a SGS3, I want to know if the LG G2 is worth upgrading to. Not how it compares to an iPhone. I've already made my platform decision, the odds of me switching now without some massive paradigm shift in the way something works is very unlikely.

They review android flagships monthly.
No, they don't. That's the whole issue.
 

smackababy

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After reading the review, I am for sure getting one. I will be waiting until at least after the holiday season though. I have no hurry to upgrade and I would prefer to skip all the hubbub with supply issues.
 

blackened23

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All I was really saying is that, for a site that's already accused of bias for Apple around here, it just doesn't help the image.

Especially when we've been waiting on things like part 2 of the Galaxy S4 review for months. The LG G2 is out already, where's it's review? Lumia 1020? Nexus 7 2013?

Normally, I love that Anand takes extra time with a review. It gives me the sense that they've really taken their time and examined all aspects of the device. Having a review out "this soon" for a device makes me feel like it's rushed and probably part of some agreement to have a review posted before launch.

Not that I'm REALLY complaining about the review. There's lots of good stuff in there. I was going to upgrade my 5 to a 5S and pass my 5 down to my wife. Now I'm thinking I'll get her a 5S, then sell her 4S and my 5 to purchase a 5S for myself.

You should probably ask the OEMs in question. If AT is supplied with a phone they will review it. Also, I wouldn't call AT "biased" towards Apple - I know some people love to hate Apple but the fact of the matter is, they make fantastic products. Period. I used to be one of the so called haters until I started using some of their stuff. Now I see why people enjoy their products - the quality and polish put in their macbooks and ipads in particular, is a step above what everyone else does. The fact that PC vendors still haven't caught up to the macbook pro in terms of quality after all this time is telling.

I'm of course not saying that nobody on the Android side offers great products - of course they do. But it isn't "Apple bias". Apple just makes great products and that is that.
 
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Ns1

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No, they don't. That's the whole issue.

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