Anandtech Oblivion Benches

[MedicalEntropy]

hmm... and i thought CPU was my limiting factor... and GPU... favors ATI. Can't believe my system has nearly the power of a 7800GT with an X800XTPE.

Oblivion engine must be some unoptimized piece of crap. Granted it looks nice, but jeez.

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: MedicalEntropy
I'd like to see a CPU benchmark.

Firingsquad has you covered.

No, they do not. For one thing, they only use cpus that are relatively the same speed.(This is like saying, well my car with 501HP is slightly faster than your car with 500HP) This gives us no information other than the fact that cpus that are supposed to perform the same do perform the same. For another thing, they only use AMD cpus. I want to see everything from low end Celerons to Pentium 4s to Pentium Ds to Semprons to Athlon 64s and Athlon 64 X2s.

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: MedicalEntropy
hmm... and i thought CPU was my limiting factor... and GPU... favors ATI. Can't believe my system has nearly the power of a 7800GT with an X800XTPE.

Oblivion engine must be some unoptimized piece of crap. Granted it looks nice, but jeez.

The 7800GT was never dramatically faster than the X850XTPE. Your X800XTPE is pretty close to it. The 7800GT is 5-10% faster than the X850XTPE in general(with some exceptions). There are multiple scenarios where the X850XTPE outperforms the 7800GT.

As you stated, Oblivion is terribly coded. For a game they worked that long on, you would think that they would have decent programming.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: MedicalEntropy
I'd like to see a CPU benchmark.

Firingsquad has you covered.

No, they do not. For one thing, they only use cpus that are relatively the same speed.(This is like saying, well my car with 501HP is slightly faster than your car with 500HP) This gives us no information other than the fact that cpus that are supposed to perform the same do perform the same. For another thing, they only use AMD cpus. I want to see everything from low end Celerons to Pentium 4s to Pentium Ds to Semprons to Athlon 64s and Athlon 64 X2s.

as much as it would be nice to do that, people who have low end celerons and semprons dont tend to have much in the way of graphics horsepower

but it would be interesting to see pentium 4's and A64's (single core) vs the dual cores from each company

 

[dreddfunk]

Hey crazylegs - mostly that is what I'd take from the firingsquad.com review as well. One note of caution that many folks--including myself--raised in the comments to the article: Oblivion's CPU-dependency seems much more focused on NPC/AI issues. By running the CPU tests through the same areas as their GPU tests, firingsquad provided a good point of comparison but may not have really measured the impact a CPU has on the more CPU-intensive parts of the game (towns, combat, etc.). One of the reasons they didn't do these kinds of benchmarks was the problem of creating a repeatable set of circumstances involving NPCs.

Anyway, just a minor not of caution. It's clear that Oblivion is waaaaaay more GPU-bound than CPU-bound.

Cheers.

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: MedicalEntropy
I'd like to see a CPU benchmark.

Firingsquad has you covered.

No, they do not. For one thing, they only use cpus that are relatively the same speed.(This is like saying, well my car with 501HP is slightly faster than your car with 500HP) This gives us no information other than the fact that cpus that are supposed to perform the same do perform the same. For another thing, they only use AMD cpus. I want to see everything from low end Celerons to Pentium 4s to Pentium Ds to Semprons to Athlon 64s and Athlon 64 X2s.

as much as it would be nice to do that, people who have low end celerons and semprons dont tend to have much in the way of graphics horsepower

but it would be interesting to see pentium 4's and A64's (single core) vs the dual cores from each company

It does not matter what someone with a Celeron would have. I simply want to know how a whole range of CPUs will compare to each other in this specific application. Chances are, of those who buy Oblivion on PC, 95% of them would not have a card as fast as a Radeon 9700.

 

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

It does not matter what someone with a Celeron would have. I simply want to know how a whole range of CPUs will compare to each other in this specific application. Chances are, of those who buy Oblivion on PC, 95% of them would not have a card as fast as a Radeon 9700.

I ran it on a box pulling 600 3dmarks. It's possible, and almost enjoyable. Heck, there's a few people around running it on geforce3s.

And I'd also love to see a CPU scaling in oblivion article with a wider range of CPUs. My low end Sempron has an X850XTPE and pulls 6307 3dmark05s -- definitely not a powerhouse, but more than the minimum required for the game, GPU wise. With X850XTPEs selling for $150 AR there's going to be a lot of mainstream and low end people with a surprising amount of GPU oomph.

I see a *HUGE* performance difference in oblivion even with a 9600 when my 3200+ mobility is on battery power and drops the clocks to 800 mhz. My question is when does this start to happen -- 2.4ghz, 2 ghz, 1.6 ghz...

 

[orangat]

In the med quality benches, the 6600gt is almost as fast or even faster then the 6800gs which is odd.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Acanthus


With every slider all the way up at 1920x1200 with HDR on you get playable fps? You are claiming this?

Yes, yes I am. In fact, I have changed the .ini to get even better graphics.

is 20min fps playable to you? just wondering.

 

[Ackmed]

I dont get 20fps. You dont have any idea, to be honest.

 

[Stoneburner]

I have an 1800xl and i turn all the settings on high because it look sso pretty even though i get 8 fps

 

[emilyek]

I have a nice processor and ram, but a 6800nu.

I'm sitting here debating whether or not I should go out and get Oblivion.

Can't decide.


I heard that Oblivion's engine (I forget its name, it's got a weird one) does not support backface culling, which means that the engine draws EVERYTHING whether you are looking at it or not. That would definitley explain the atrocioius hardware requirements.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont get 20fps. You dont have any idea, to be honest.

Of course i dont, its not like an FX60 with crossfire gets 45... At a far far lower resolution... with lower settings.

LMAO

 

[Munky]

Anand's cpu scaling benchmark seems to contradict the one from Firingsquad.

 

[Alaa]

seems tht firingsquad need to revise their benches..

 

[Alaa]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont get 20fps. You dont have any idea, to be honest.

do u have a CF setup?

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont get 20fps. You dont have any idea, to be honest.

Of course i dont, its not like an FX60 with crossfire gets 45... At a far far lower resolution... with lower settings.

LMAO

Um, ATs "review" sucks. For a real review, check out FS; http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/oblivion_high-end_performance/page5.asp

As you can see, very playable. You do not need 60fps in this game, its not a first person shooter. 30fps is more than enough. So again, you have no idea. Nice try trapping me though, too bad it didnt work.

Originally posted by: Alaa

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont get 20fps. You dont have any idea, to be honest.

do u have a CF setup?

Yes.

 

[Alaa]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Alaa

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont get 20fps. You dont have any idea, to be honest.

do u have a CF setup?

Yes.

yes means xtx cf?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont get 20fps. You dont have any idea, to be honest.

Of course i dont, its not like an FX60 with crossfire gets 45... At a far far lower resolution... with lower settings.

LMAO

Um, ATs "review" sucks. For a real review, check out FS; http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/oblivion_high-end_performance/page5.asp

As you can see, very playable. You do not need 60fps in this game, its not a first person shooter. 30fps is more than enough. So again, you have no idea. Nice try trapping me though, too bad it didnt work.

Originally posted by: Alaa

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont get 20fps. You dont have any idea, to be honest.

do u have a CF setup?

Yes.

The tests they do, especially the "mountain" ones, are not the worst case scenario areas...

Mountains are clearly not the "wide open space" strain on the engine, because most of the scene is occluded and not drawn. Standing in an open field with trees would be much higher strain.

Which is what AT used, high stress areas, lots of models, and not occluded terrain.

Edited like 4 times to typos, argh at mornings.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
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Um, ATs "review" sucks. For a real review, check out FS; http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/oblivion_high-end_performance/page5.asp

Anand's CPU benchies were much better than FS. FS just did 1 card, A64s, and 2 res, end review :thumbsdown:

Anand used CF, 2 platforms, AMD&Intel, and showed how different ATI cards *since they are the best for ES:IV* scaled with CPU speed :thumbsup:

AT and FS took a different approach to testing too, Anand focused on the areas you play through, while FS tested particular enviroments *thought doing so was more illuminating, but understand Anand's perspective*

I don't feel anyone who doesn't run a setup as high-end as you do, should talk smack to you based on any sites benchies though. You actually play hour after hour with it, and no review is a substitute for that.

 

[alpha88]

I'm playing at 1920x1200, with HDR, the improved textures and all those cool visual tweaks. All the sliders are maxed except the self shadow ones.

I use a 7800GTX on an Opteron 165 and the game is perfectly playable. I feel like I get 30fps+ the vast majority of the time .

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: alpha88
I'm playing at 1920x1200, with HDR, the improved textures and all those cool visual tweaks. All the sliders are maxed except the self shadow ones.

I use a 7800GTX on an Opteron 165 and the game is perfectly playable. I feel like I get 30fps+ the vast majority of the time .

So, did you make it out of the sewers yet? Because the AT review shows you'd probably get about 20fps at 1280x1024 in a more stressful outdoors scene.

*edit: link

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
The tests they do, especially the "mountain" ones, are not the worst case scenario areas...

Mountains are clearly not the "wide open space" strain on the engine, because most of the scene is occluded and not drawn. Standing in an open field with trees would be much higher strain.

Which is what AT used, high stress areas, lots of models, and not occluded terrain.

Edited like 4 times to typos, argh at mornings.

Where did I say the mountians were the worst case sceanrios? The link I dropped, went to Foliage with HDR and AF. Thats very, very demanding.

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Anand's CPU benchies were much better than FS. FS just did 1 card, A64s, and 2 res, end review :thumbsdown:

Anand used CF, 2 platforms, AMD&Intel, and showed how different ATI cards *since they are the best for ES:IV* scaled with CPU speed :thumbsup:

AT and FS took a different approach to testing too, Anand focused on the areas you play through, while FS tested particular enviroments *thought doing so was more illuminating, but understand Anand's perspective*

I don't feel anyone who doesn't run a setup as high-end as you do, should talk smack to you based on any sites benchies though. You actually play hour after hour with it, and no review is a substitute for that.

Why are you even talking about CPU benches? I dont think AT did an Oblivion CPU test. We're talking about GPU's. Acanthus doesnt seem to think I can play Oblivion with all settings up at 1920x1200. I suppose because he blindly believes anything in an AT review, and they said it couldnt be done with todays cards.

Ive already stated the two biggest problems I have with ATs article. I guess you didnt read before posting, so Ill say them one more time. They used one resolution, 1280x1024. They also used no AA. Who in the world buys SLI 7900GTX's or X1900s in CF, and played at that res, with no AA? Show of hands anyone? Thats the two biggest problems I have with the review. More resolutions, and better graphical options would help much more. But Ive come to expect that anymore from AT, they are going downhill fast. At least to me.

edit, didnt see this reply;

Originally posted by: Alaa
yes means xtx cf?

Well, thats a bad term I think. As there are no XTX CF Edition cards. So its always going to be a XTX and XT together. Not blaming you, just saying.

I have two XT's in CF, both overclocked well past XTX speeds. 700Mhz core on each, 775 on memory. Both with stock coolers. Im trying to decide what aftermarket cooling I want. Im tempted to go back to watercooling, but Id rather not just yet. I dont like that the new AC cooler puts air in the case, instead of exhausting it out.

 

[Acanthus]

Being as the game needs to be hacked in order to run HDR + AA. I dont think it was anandtechs motivation to run the game that way.

 

[imported_spank]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Being as the game needs to be hacked in order to run HDR + AA. I dont think it was anandtechs motivation to run the game that way.

You don't need to hack the game, it's a driver that lets you force AA thrue the control panel. Or do you count all the changes you can do in the control panel as "hacks" ?