Anandtech p35 roundup?

[bryanW1995]

leave gary alone. If we don't post here any more and/or bother him he might give us a surprise tomorrow!

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
leave gary alone. If we don't post here any more and/or bother him he might give us a surprise tomorrow!

Some of already made our choice a while ago anyway.

IMO: it would have been nice if this were released when the boards first came to market.

 

[Heidfirst]

Originally posted by: Gary Key
I think most people put way to much emphasis on maximum FSB rates for boards. The P35 chipset operates best between 430FSB~490FSB with the 1066 strap, anything above that is going the other direction due to the chipset and memory latencies having to be dialed back greatly in order for the board/CPU to clock up. Heck, running the 975X chipset at the 800 strap around 330FSB will provide better results on a clock per clock basis than most boards out there. The 680i has a range from 400~420 on most boards that is the optimum FSB rate, anything higher is a waste to some degree on those boards. I advocate buying CPUs with higher multipliers and running them in the sweet spot on a board to maximize latencies and CPU speed. It also makes like easy on the board not to mention voltage, power supply, cooling, and memory requirements. :beer:

You aren't Tony from OCZ's alter ego by any chance? :evil:
I know that he says much the same thing (& I came to a similar conclusion even on S939 - yes, I may be 1 or 2% down on max. performance but 100% down on hassle ...)

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: Gary Key
I think most people put way to much emphasis on maximum FSB rates for boards. The P35 chipset operates best between 430FSB~490FSB with the 1066 strap, anything above that is going the other direction due to the chipset and memory latencies having to be dialed back greatly in order for the board/CPU to clock up. Heck, running the 975X chipset at the 800 strap around 330FSB will provide better results on a clock per clock basis than most boards out there. The 680i has a range from 400~420 on most boards that is the optimum FSB rate, anything higher is a waste to some degree on those boards. I advocate buying CPUs with higher multipliers and running them in the sweet spot on a board to maximize latencies and CPU speed. It also makes like easy on the board not to mention voltage, power supply, cooling, and memory requirements. :beer:

QFT. I agree 100% and have been saying the same thing.

 

[FireTech]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
leave gary alone. If we don't post here any more and/or bother him he might give us a surprise tomorrow!

Agreed, he's posted more updates in this thread today than the two µATX review threads have had in 4.5 months.

Hopefully this week will see the very much delayed µATX review then the much more recently promised P35 roundup.

 

[Gary Key]

Originally posted by: buddhatb
When should we expect this P35 roundup to be completed and posted on the site?

It is scheduled on the 20th, I will probably pull a couple of the boards out for individual first looks before then..

 

[Gary Key]

Gary,
Can you briefly comment on why the DS3P is rated higher than the DS3R? Is it simply a matter of the added features, or is there something else at play? Also, if you were to buy a board, would you spend the extra $30 (above the DS3P) for the IP35 Pro? Thanks.

Features/Quad Core Overclocking and at the time the price difference was only about $15, of course that has changed now so I would tend to lean towards the R version currently. abit just dropped the IP35-E down to the $72 range so that board is moving quickly up to the top of the heap unless you are into heavy overclocking. Everyone is using the same chipset, the same core BIOS code, same core drivers, and generally have the same layouts, so your money is being spent on the features being provided by the supplier, whether that is hardware, quality of components, or BIOS tuning expertise and support. If you do not plan on heavy overclocking, any of the sub $100 P35 boards are great for 90% of the user base. IMHO...

 

[vailr]

Any confirmation as to Penryn compatability with the Abit IP35 Pro, and other P35 boards?
I know that "in theory" Penryn CPUs will work with P35 chipset boards, but will [current model] P35 boards
at least boot far enough with a Penryn CPU installed, to allow flash updating the bios (6 months from now, when retail Penryns are available)?

 

[LightningRider]

I assume that it would be like the G0 stepping CPUs. It will boot and say CPU not recognized or something like that. Besides if you buy a P35 board now you have plenty of time to flash the BIOS before Penryn. And I'm sure there will be better motherboards by the time Penryn is out than P35 boards, like the X38.

 

[stavesacre03]

Originally posted by: Gary Key

Gary,
Can you briefly comment on why the DS3P is rated higher than the DS3R? Is it simply a matter of the added features, or is there something else at play? Also, if you were to buy a board, would you spend the extra $30 (above the DS3P) for the IP35 Pro? Thanks.

Features/Quad Core Overclocking and at the time the price difference was only about $15, of course that has changed now so I would tend to lean towards the R version currently. abit just dropped the IP35-E down to the $72 range so that board is moving quickly up to the top of the heap unless you are into heavy overclocking. Everyone is using the same chipset, the same core BIOS code, same core drivers, and generally have the same layouts, so your money is being spent on the features being provided by the supplier, whether that is hardware, quality of components, or BIOS tuning expertise and support. If you do not plan on heavy overclocking, any of the sub $100 P35 boards are great for 90% of the user base. IMHO...

Thanks Gary!

 

[Vilemonster]

2.5 Biostar TP35D2-A7 (last BIOS really fixed a lot of issues)

gary i have one of these boards and i cannot even find any bios updates, could you please assist me, as i am using this board as a test board and its not connected to the internet, is there any place to download the updated bios for this board?

 

[tedward]

Originally posted by: Gary Key

Originally posted by: buddhatb
When should we expect this P35 roundup to be completed and posted on the site?

It is scheduled on the 20th, I will probably pull a couple of the boards out for individual first looks before then..

...of August?

 

[tedward]

Originally posted by: tedward

Originally posted by: Gary Key

Originally posted by: buddhatb
When should we expect this P35 roundup to be completed and posted on the site?

It is scheduled on the 20th, I will probably pull a couple of the boards out for individual first looks before then..

...of August? (Where is it???)

 

[FireTech]

Originally posted by: tedward
...of August? (Where is it???)

Quote from Gary Key in the µATX thread:

Our Editorial Calendar underwent a couple of changes today due to article changes for tomorrow and Wednesday. The first uATX board overview goes up on 8/23 in the afternoon or that night for Friday the 24th, the next part is up on 8/29 followed by another one on 8/31. Somewhere in the middle of all that is the first of two P35 articles and the start of the GPU/IGP image comparisons.

You P35 guys need to learn some patience, we've been waiting over 5 months and he's delayed part of ours in favour of you and Intel..... :laugh:

 

[Staples]

This thing better be one hellava roundup. My God, this has taken so so long. And tomorrow is the 31. I say there is at least a 50% chance we won't see part 1 for another few weeks.

Unfortunately, most people (myself included) will just worry about the benchmarks. All the stuff that really takes time to write is not so meaningful to most out there.

 

[matth9]

Whelp, they got me to hit their front page and ad banners every day for two weeks strait. Guess I'm a sucker...thanks for nothing.

 

[Skott]

Bump for future reference

 

[Aharami]

still nothing?

 

[Griswold]

It would certainly be good to know the new schedule.

 

[Kakumba]

Not trying to be mean, I understand how busy Gary must be, but does anyone think we will see this before X38 is widely available?

 

[Staples]

Originally posted by: Kakumba
Not trying to be mean, I understand how busy Gary must be, but does anyone think we will see this before X38 is widely available?

I am starting to think that the longer this gets delayed, the more new products are being thrown into the lineup. Who knows, we might see an x38 in there too. I was waiting for this forever and finally got tired so I just bought an Abit IP35. The few reviews out there show that it is not the fastest but it does not have many annoying bugs so I settled with that one.

 

[Zap]

Haha, now you all know how we feel about the mATX roundup that's about a half year in the making.

 

[Aztech]

How do I subscribe to this topic, such that I'm notified of new posts?

Nevermind: Found it

 

[FireTech]

Originally posted by: Staples
I am starting to think that the longer this gets delayed, the more new products are being thrown into the lineup. Who knows, we might see an x38 in there too. I was waiting for this forever and finally got tired ....

Yeah, seems recent mass MB reviews have become so complicated (or delayed by 'pay for view' articles) that by the time they actually appear they are largely irrelevant

 

[Aharami]

I dunno about you guys, but Ive been getting my reviews from other sites now. It seems other sites are more up with it than AT. Still, it'd be nice to get a motherboard and video card roundup from AT