Andrew Luck vs RG3

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glenn1

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The Seahawks don't use that much read option do they? And citing the 49ers, well, that's just weird, since they're trying to see how quickly they can take a very good situation and turn it into a Snyder level dumpster bonfire in as short of time as possible.

Still blows my mind about them dumping Harbaugh. Seems like he was doing an amazing job of holding together a team that had serious fucking issues.

Actually that brings up a point. RGIII's best hope would be to emulate Alex Smith. He's got the physical tools to accomplish that (and actually be better I think), and he's a smart guy, but I don't know if he has the attitude (which, if you go by how Smith is, basically is none at all). Smith would be a great tutor for Griffin, learn humility and how to play and then let his intuition and physical talents take over on the field. I personally would've loved seeing RGIII go to the Chiefs as Smith's backup. Small market team so the media wouldn't be as fervent, a good coach with a history of taking chances on guys (and Reid has a ton of consultants, including the guy that invented the read option) to help him along, a good situation.

I think the Eagles would be another good situation. I'm not sold on Bradford (hope he can maybe live up to the potential though), and Kelly will go with whomever helps them win.

I think the next step for read option is to basically find 2+ players who are just great all around playmakers. Guys that could play QB, RB, WR, and then have as many of them as you can, and whichever one is hot that game, then get them the ball as much as possible. But keep switching things up so that other teams can't get too comfortable. Not only that, but a decent amount of these guys could benefit from not having all the pressure on the, especially early on their careers. I actually think a team could make a good racket out of that. Like Chip Kelly where he'll always be drafting guys, then develop them and get good play out of them while they're young and cheap, then is willing to part with them (and the player can go elsewhere and get a big pay day and get to be the man for that team at QB).

That sounds a lot like Kordelle Stewart during his days with the Steelers. That could be a worthwhile goal for RG3 to shoot for, although Slash got drafted at the end of the 2nd round rather than the top of the first (with multiple future 1st round picks part of the deal).
 

Jimzz

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Well guess we know the real winner now.

Luck has given up 5 interceptions in only 2 games to RG3's 0.
You can't explain that can you.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Luck is playing really bad right now. Last night was the first time I think I've ever seen him seriously pissed off at himself.
 

preslove

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Didn't get around to this stupid reply, butnow that Luck's struggles have proved my point, I guess it's time to revisit.
the redskins have drafted many linemen in the past 5 years, including pro bowl tackle trent williams and 5th round pick this past year.
I was talking about high draft picks, not FIFTH rounders. Jesus christ, you are stupid about football. You draft high with offensive linemen and low for QBs and RBs because a good offensive line improves both passing and running performance, along with the fact that it's easier to predict lineman quality than QB quality by past performance.

and no one is arguing that the owner isn't an idiot, in fact i think anyone who knows anything about football already knows that.

but keep spewing your fun facts and hanging off of rg3's nuts. you probably love tim tebow too.

Tim Tebow proves my point. The reasons he won a national championship and a heisman were 1). He had an incredible defense. 2). He had Percy Harvin as #1 receiver, Aaron Hernandez as #1 tight end, and his lesser receivers were great. 3). His offensive line was ok. The year after the gators won the championship, the defense eroded, Harvin left, and the offensive line went to shit. The gators had a major drop off.

Then Tebow comes to the NFL, where there is actual parity, and he is shown to be a mediocre QB. This is example #10,000 that only idiots judge QB quality by their winning percentage.

Football is a game with 22 players on the field, where LINEPLAY is ALWAYS the most important aspect of the game. Andrew Luck is going to play like dogshit this year unless his offensive line improves, and only idiots will blame him.
 
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preslove

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Luck is playing really bad right now. Last night was the first time I think I've ever seen him seriously pissed off at himself.

I think these few past years playing with an awful offensive line have taken their toll. He's been superhumanly good despite it, but getting hit so often wears everyone down. No one in the world could do better given the pathetic tools he has to work with.

I agree with this article, the Colt's should fire their GM, blow up most of the team, and rebuild around Luck while he is still young and hasn't suffered a catastrophic injury because his o-line is terribad: http://deadspin.com/the-colts-are-a-mess-behind-the-scenes-too-1732289898
 
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SP33Demon

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It wouldn't be strange if the Cowboys pick him up. I mean, he is "from Texas" and went to a Texas college. He will sell jerseys. And, he can't possibly be worse than Weeden if Romo goes down.

You sir win the Miss Cleo Award! Would Dallas rather have Weeden or RG3 now?
 

IndyColtsFan

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dallas isn't going to end up with rg3

I think they might end up with him, but not with a $16 million contract next year. They'll wait until he hits FA after the year and might bid, along with Houston and a few others.
 

eits

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i really think he will end up heading to houston.

i'm bummed that, now that the skins have an offensive line worth a damn, rg3 can't show whether or not he can be a quality quarterback. he's got top-notch accuracy and he's the fastest qb in the league, but he doesn't have the release that cousins has. but, the team is more important than just one man.

you all can see, though, what i was saying about the offensive line being way more important that the quarterback, though, right? when you have a stud offensive line, your quarterback has an opportunity to do what he's paid to do. you also have a much better run game. if you don't have a good offensive line, your qb doesn't have protection or time to deliver quality throws and running lanes are already filled.

the colts really need to find a new gm or scouts or something, because this year-in-year-out sorry excuse for a run game is annoying.
 

purbeast0

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interesting how cousins and the run game is producing better than rg3 thus far through 2 games with virtually the same line RG3 was behind.
 

purbeast0

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was the quality of the defense they were playing against the same though?

rams were supposed to be some super stout defense in the nfl this year and the skins o line was good enough for nearly 200 rushing yards. i'd say that is a pretty good test.

rg3 made an average line look like #32 line in the league because he had no clue how the fuck to get rid of the ball cause he has no football smarts and sucks.
 

Imported

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Won't happen cause of franchise tags and stuff, but it'd be awesome to see Luck decide he wanted to test free agency rather than re-sign with the Colts.
 

IndyColtsFan

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i really think he will end up heading to houston.

i'm bummed that, now that the skins have an offensive line worth a damn, rg3 can't show whether or not he can be a quality quarterback. he's got top-notch accuracy and he's the fastest qb in the league, but he doesn't have the release that cousins has. but, the team is more important than just one man.

you all can see, though, what i was saying about the offensive line being way more important that the quarterback, though, right? when you have a stud offensive line, your quarterback has an opportunity to do what he's paid to do. you also have a much better run game. if you don't have a good offensive line, your qb doesn't have protection or time to deliver quality throws and running lanes are already filled.

the colts really need to find a new gm or scouts or something, because this year-in-year-out sorry excuse for a run game is annoying.

RG3 might still be the fastest QB in the league, but what's that going to get him exactly? Speed only matters when you're running and we've all seen what happens to RG3 when he runs - he gets smashed and then misses games. And when he does play in the pocket, he has terrible footwork and vision.

Luck has had a terrible offensive line from the beginning and still plays well (the last two games notwithstanding). His accuracy and YPA has probably suffered a little from being pressured so much but he generally comes through.
 

eits

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RG3 might still be the fastest QB in the league, but what's that going to get him exactly? Speed only matters when you're running and we've all seen what happens to RG3 when he runs - he gets smashed and then misses games. And when he does play in the pocket, he has terrible footwork and vision.

Luck has had a terrible offensive line from the beginning and still plays well (the last two games notwithstanding). His accuracy and YPA has probably suffered a little from being pressured so much but he generally comes through.

he only got smashed because he was a bonehead and didn't learn to slide until the third season lol. his footwork and vision was pretty damn good his first preseason game, before his offensive line decided to let him get crushed in the second preseason game. so far, we haven't seen really anything he has to offer with a quality line (who likes him). it's a bummer we can't see more of what he can do with this offensive line when it counts.

luck never had an offensive line this awful. his previous offensive lines were decent in protecting him, but garbage when it came to opening gaps for runners. he's never had a quality line, but he had one that was good enough to protect him enough to throw deep with accuracy.
 

eits

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haha.

HAHA

HAAHAHAHHAAAAAAA!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...737ca6-8708-11e4-a702-fa31ff4ae98e_story.html

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/completionPct/year/2012

http://www.ourdailybears.com/2012/2...lazes-to-fastest-qb-40-in-nfl-combine-history

laugh all you want, but he still is a quarterback with great arm strength, great accuracy, and great speed. he lacked an offensive line, was hindered with knee injury rehab issues (that caused his mental game to be thrown way off), and he wanted to change his style of play to be more of a pocket passer rather than what he's great at, which is being a dual threat and playing the read option. he also didn't help himself by being honest with the media, making enemies with his coaches, and alienating himself from the team.
 

purbeast0

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same offensive line that could be "record breakingly bad" with RG3 behind it is now producing with cousins behind them. clearly the quarterback behind the line has nothing to do with it.

go figure.

and rg3 STILL doesn't know how to slide, he didn't learn last year.
 

eits

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same offensive line that could be "record breakingly bad" with RG3 behind it is now producing with cousins behind them. clearly the quarterback behind the line has nothing to do with it.

go figure.

and rg3 STILL doesn't know how to slide, he didn't learn last year.

"the same offensive line"? wtf are you talking about? yeah, they play for the same team, but it's a different offensive line. the right side of the line has been redone and they have a new offensive line coach. it's a different offensive line.

if you honestly think there's no significant difference between the offensive line now and the offensive line last year, you're very wrong.
 
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