Android getting Retina Display

[MrX8503]

What do TVs have to do with anything? A TV is 15 ft away, your cellphone is 6" away from your face.

 

[zerocool84]

What do TVs have to do with anything? A TV is 15 ft away, your cellphone is 6" away from your face.

lol..................

 

[MrX8503]

lol..................

Uh...let me explain it for you.

A TV, being far away from where you sit, the pixels are less distinguishable.

A cellphone, being close to your face, the pixels are more distinguishable.

In which scenario do you think your eyes are more sensitive to the clarity/resolution of the display? So....comparing the resolution of a cellphone to that of a TV doesn't make sense. The same also applies to desktop computer monitors.

 

[rudeguy]

What do TVs have to do with anything? A TV is 15 ft away, your cellphone is 6" away from your face.

I just held my phone up 6" from my face.

Now I'm blind. Thanks asshole

 

[zerocool84]

Uh...let me explain it for you.

A TV, being far away from where you sit, the pixels are less distinguishable.

A cellphone, being close to your face, the pixels are more distinguishable.

In which scenario do you think your eyes are more sensitive to the clarity/resolution of the display? So....comparing the resolution of a cellphone to that of a TV doesn't make sense. The same also applies to desktop computer monitors.

lol

Yes it does. The size of the tv and how far you sit makes the pixels either less or more noticeable. That's why people get larger tv's to compensate for how far they sit. Sorry you don't get it. My mistake.

 

[MrX8503]

I just held my phone up 6" from my face.

Now I'm blind. Thanks asshole

lol, now do it with your camera led on and turn your phone around.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

and like I always say, I bring up the case of cameras when Canon moved from a 230k pixel resolution to 920k on a 3.0" screen.

Yes a freaking 3" screen. On the new T2i it's slightly better than 1200x800 because it finally went 3:2. That blows away Retina and anything Android has and at a smaller screen size.

 

[MrX8503]

lol

Yes it does. The size of the tv and how far you sit makes the pixels either less or more noticeable. That's why people get larger tv's to compensate for how far they sit. Sorry you don't get it. My mistake.

You don't get it.

A cellphone requires a higher dpi screen because its closer to you. Your correlation with a TV to a cellphone display has no relation because one is up to your face and the other is across the room. Keep believing what you believe though, someone will correct you down the line.

 

[TheStu]

lol

Yes it does. The size of the tv and how far you sit makes the pixels either less or more noticeable. That's why people get larger tv's to compensate for how far they sit. Sorry you don't get it. My mistake.

Right, that much makes sense. If I am sitting close, I don't need a 60" TV. However, that same logic doesn't apply to cellphones. I don't think I would hold my cellphone further away if I had a larger screen. I would probably hold it at the same distance from my eyes, meaning that at that point, a lower DPI would be noticeable since none of the other factors would have changed (distance from eyes, visual acuity, things of that nature).

 

[BenSkywalker]

And yes, I totally believed that at some point another phone with have the same resolution, thereby dulling that edge that the iPhone 4 has over the competition.

I am curious why the people who think this is an issue now didn't think it was an issue when the 3GS had shockingly bad pixel density? Why was it not important when Apple was the poorest in the industry in that metric, but now it is a factor when they have the best? When Apple was pushing ~165 pixel density and the Droid was pushing ~265 it was a non issue, a greater then 60% bump, but now a ~27% bump is a major feature that everyone needs to catch up in.... I really don't get it.

Your correlation with a TV to a cellphone display has no relation because one is up to your face and the other is across the room.

You hold your cell phone up to your face? I hold mine about 18" away(just measured). Now, for what you are saying to be true, everyone on the face of the Earth most hold their phones at the exact distance from themselves as you do or else the comparison to TVs is very much directly comparable.

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/print_viewing_distance.html

If someone holds their phone 10" from their face, the 'Retina Display' falls horribly short of the 687 ppi needed, but from 3'(I don't know, maybe Shaq holds his phone that far away?) only phones with utterly terrible ppi fall below the 196 needed.

The formula is ppi = 1/((distance x 0.000291) / 2)

Taken from the link above for anyone who wants to do the math on what ppi they need @20/20 vision levels.

 

[Deeko]

I am curious why the people who think this is an issue now didn't think it was an issue when the 3GS had shockingly bad pixel density? Why was it not important when Apple was the poorest in the industry in that metric, but now it is a factor when they have the best? When Apple was pushing ~165 pixel density and the Droid was pushing ~265 it was a non issue, a greater then 60% bump, but now a ~27% bump is a major feature that everyone needs to catch up in.... I really don't get it.

But conversely, back in said era, Android fans loved to talk about how much sharper their screens are, and now suddenly a sharper screen isn't a big deal...now its all about size!

Both sides are guilty of shifting what they say is important to put the product they prefer in a better light.

 

[MrX8503]

My measurement was a figure of speech. The point is a cellphone is closer to your face than a TV which makes the cellphone requiring a higher dpi. This is called logic, there is no argument, end of story. Trying to compare a TV to a cellphone display is ludicrous. Let me ask you this...why do computer monitors have a higher dpi than a TV. I'll leave that up to you to figure out.

Too many people make comparisons that have no relation. If you have an orange compare it to another orange.

 

[rudeguy]

But conversely, back in said era, Android fans loved to talk about how much sharper their screens are, and now suddenly a sharper screen isn't a big deal...now its all about size!

Both sides are guilty of shifting what they say is important to put the product they prefer in a better light.

of course people switch sides on issues. The rule is that people are defensive of what they own. I do think that Apple guys tend to be a bit more defensive but that's reasonable. They have spent a lot more money on their chosen product and therefor feel they need to defend it even more.

In the end...everyone has their own wants, interests and needs. After having my Vibrant I realize that I don't care about screen size, pixel density, brightness or...well pretty much any of that. I just want a phone that is hackable and works. Samsung is going on my "lesson learned" list.

 

[BenSkywalker]

The point is a cellphone is closer to your face than a TV which makes the cellphone requiring a higher dpi.

So what is the exact distance every single person on the face of the Earth keeps their phone away from their eyes? Since you have decided that everyone keeps a phone at precisely the same distance, I would like to know what it is. If you can not provide said information, then perhaps you should consider that people hold their screens at different distances which means the size and pixel density ideals would be different depending on the person using it, which is just like a TV or computer monitor.

But conversely, back in said era, Android fans loved to talk about how much sharper their screens are, and now suddenly a sharper screen isn't a big deal...now its all about size!

Where were the outraged iPhone loyals griping non stop about how terribly low their PPI was before Steve Jobs told them they should care? Honest question.

I may have missed it, but I certainly don't recall so many threads talking about the sharpness advantage being a major issue. Honestly I'm not a fan of the Droid screen at all- it's still a LCD and like any other LCD isn't approaching an advantage in today's market.

 

[MrX8503]

So what is the exact distance every single person on the face of the Earth keeps their phone away from their eyes? Since you have decided that everyone keeps a phone at precisely the same distance, I would like to know what it is. If you can not provide said information, then perhaps you should consider that people hold their screens at different distances which means the size and pixel density ideals would be different depending on the person using it, which is just like a TV or computer monitor.

No, I said that everyone holds their cellphone in a closer vicinity to their face than a TV would be, thus a high resolution screen is more important on a cellphone than it is on a TV. When I said 6", it was a figure of speech.

Cellphone display
Desktop Monitor display
TV display

There's a reason why all of these devices have different resolution densities. There's nothing to argue about and there is no logical reason to compare the three to each other. If you want to make a comparison or an analogy to get your point across, compare it to a cellphone.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Man, have to drop to pre school level signal theory here, I really expected some level of education on the subject.....

Human vision is limited by distance, size and fidelity. The ability of the eye to discern details is a function of all three of those elements. It does not matter if it is a TV, a cell phone, a billboard or a blimp- all of the exact same elements are in play.

When discussing displays, like anything else, you need to determine the viewing distance, the size of the display and the fidelity of the desired image you are viewing. Much as the article I linked spelled out in very simple laymens terms- displays viewed at proximities closest to us have the largest differences in fidelity sensitivity. Changing the viewing distance by a mere 18" results in a drop of over 800 ppi to reach ideal standards. Using a larger screen increases the ideal viewing distance, that is a simple function of the way human vision works. The exact same principles apply to every display type, here is another very simplistic explenation as it relates to another display type-

http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter

The exact same principles apply. Nothing is different, screen size determines ideal viewing distance- ideal viewing distance determines ideal fidelity. If you are dealing with a fixed viewing distance, then you pick the ideal sized display at which point you determine the ideal fidelity based on those factors. Your ideal distance when using your cell phone may be different from someone else's, much as your ideal TV viewing distance may differ. The only way the exact same principles would not apply is if you were dealing with an absolute fixed function in one of the possible fields, which is not the case no matter if it is a cell phone, a TV or a monitor.

 

[MrX8503]

Laymens terms- displays viewed at proximities closest to us have the largest differences in fidelity sensitivity.

So we agree.

 

[zerogear]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

I was very interested in this phone until I read that. I hope someone makes a nearly identical phone with a 3.7 or 4" display in the near future.

Sharp (Cellphone branch) pulled out of the US market a couple years back due to lack of interest in their phones in the US. I doubt they'll reinvest just for this phone. You should be able to import from EU or Asia though.

 

[rudeguy]

Sharp (Cellphone branch) pulled out of the US market a couple years back due to lack of interest in their phones in the US. I doubt they'll reinvest just for this phone. You should be able to import from EU or Asia though.

I thougth Sharp=LG?

Of course I'm probably wrong

 

[Oyeve]

I thougth Sharp=LG?

Of course I'm probably wrong

Sharp=Sharp, LG used to be Goldstar.

 

[rudeguy]

Sharp=Sharp, LG used to be Goldstar.

LG = Lucky Goldstar...but they dropped lucky

I could have sworn that I saw something that LG was handling Sharp's cell phone stuff