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http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ground-zero-imam-i-dont-believe-in-religious-dialogue/

In his interview on Hadiyul-Islam by Sa’da Abdul Maksoud, Abdul Rauf was asked his views on Sharia (Islamic religious law) and the Islamic state. He responded:
Throughout my discussions with contemporary Muslim theologians, it is clear an Islamic state can be established in more than just a single form or mold. It can be established through a kingdom or a democracy. The important issue is to establish the general fundamentals of Sharia that are required to govern. It is known that there are sets of standards that are accepted by [Muslim] scholars to organize the relationships between government and the governed. [emphasis added]
When questioned about this, Abdul Rauf continued: “Current governments are unjust and do not follow Islamic laws.” He added:
New laws were permitted after the death of Muhammad, so long of course that these laws do not contradict the Quran or the Deeds of Muhammad … so they create institutions that assure no conflicts with Sharia. [emphasis in translation]​


In his own words


Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/imam-feisal-abdul-rauf/what-shariah-law-is-all-a_b_190825.html

We hear a lot about "firebrand" Muslim clerics calling for the installation of Shariah law. It conjures images of women being stoned and forced into hiding behind burkas and denied educations. We think of beheadings and amputations as a form of justice. And we cringe.
But it is important that we understand what is meant by Shariah law. Islamic law is about God's law, and it is not that far from what we read in the Declaration of Independence about "the Laws of Nature and Nature's God." The Declaration says "men are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights; that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
At the core of Shariah law are God's commandments, revealed in the Old Testament and revised in the New Testament and the Quran. The principles behind American secular law are similar to Shariah law - that we protect life, liberty and property, that we provide for the common welfare, that we maintain a certain amount of modesty. What Muslims want is to ensure that their secular laws are not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad.
Where there is a conflict, it is not with Shariah law itself but more often with the way the penal code is sometimes applied. Some aspects of this penal code and its laws pertaining to women flow out of the cultural context. The religious imperative is about justice and fairness. If you strive for justice and fairness in the penal code, then you are in keeping with moral imperative of the Shariah.
In America, we have a Constitution that created a three-branch form of government - legislative, executive and judiciary. The role of the judiciary is to ensure that the other two branches comply with the Constitution. What Muslims want is a judiciary that ensures that the laws are not in conflict with the Quran and the Hadith. Just as the Constitution has gone through interpretations, so does Shariah law.
The two pieces of unfinished business in Muslim countries are to revise the penal code so that it is responsive to modern realities and to ensure that the balance between the three branches of government is not out of kilter.
Rather than fear Shariah law, we should understand what it actually is. Then we can encourage Muslim countries to make the changes that achieve the essence of fairness and justice that are at the root of Islam.




 

Craig234

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The backers for this mosque should understand the public sentiment around this and choose to drop their plans. If they do go ahead, I suspect someone is baiting the American people.

Yes, bigots should get the right to take away the rights of those they're bigoted against. If something will upset them, by the people having rights that they don't want to have them, that's grounds for taking away those rights, and the people who lose them to be called rude attackers who just want to bait the bigots as their motive. The bastards.
 

xj0hnx

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Yes, bigots should get the right to take away the rights of those they're bigoted against. If something will upset them, by the people having rights that they don't want to have them, that's grounds for taking away those rights, and the people who lose them to be called rude attackers who just want to bait the bigots as their motive. The bastards.

Oh shut the fuck up, you're one of the biggest crybabies around when Christians want something. You'd be poppin' a boner while typing out your Wall o' Text™ if Christians were doing something that offended Muslims.
 

Orignal Earl

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Insha'Allah

ن شاء الله

Your scared of *If God wills it* ?

Are you scared of your country's moto? * In God we trust*?

*Sharia (شريعة Šarīʿa; [ʃaˈriːʕa], "way" or "path") is the sacred law of Islam. All Muslims believe Sharia is God's law, but they have differences among themselves as to exactly what it entails.[1] Modernists, traditionalists and fundamentalists all hold different views of Sharia, as do adherents to different schools of Islamic thought and scholarship. Different countries and cultures have varying interpretations of Sharia as well.*

Parallels With Western Legal Systems
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#Parallels_With_Western_Legal_Systems
 
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xj0hnx

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Your scared of *If God wills it* ?

Are you scared of your country's moto? * In God we trust*?

*Sharia (شريعة Šarīʿa; [ʃaˈriːʕa], "way" or "path") is the sacred law of Islam. All Muslims believe Sharia is God's law, but they have differences among themselves as to exactly what it entails.[1] Modernists, traditionalists and fundamentalists all hold different views of Sharia, as do adherents to different schools of Islamic thought and scholarship. Different countries and cultures have varying interpretations of Sharia as well.*

Parallels With Western Legal Systems
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#Parallels_With_Western_Legal_Systems

I am not debating anymore, it's pointless. It's just now funny watching people that would so rabidly attack ANY melding of Christianity and government come out of the woodwork to rabidly defend the Muslims right to the same, or worse.
 

chucky2

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Congrats on justifying the 9/11 attackers actions. Terrorists feel killing anyone and everyone is justified muslim or not, so following your line of thinking the 2,000+ people dead don't mean much.

No, they mean a ton to the fanatics who killed them...matter in the sense they achieved what they were trying to achieve, which was to kill them. In light of that objective, the fanatics don't mind killing some of their own, they view it as acceptable. How else do you think they kick off IED's on our troops in the middle of their own public? Seriously, failure to understand this means you just don't get the level these fanatics operate on.



I guess my handbook on fundamentalist outrage is out of date as its missing the grandfather clause.

Fundamentalist? Whatever mosques were there before 9/11 shouldn't be torn down because fanatics decided to do 9/11 there....that'd be F'ing stupid. Not quite as stupid as building a mosque this close to Ground Zero of 9/11, but, close. This should be common sense...unfortunately I can see it's not...



Yes, to bad the US has the stupid freedom of religion thing. If only we were more like the muslim countries!

You really don't understand what I'm saying, do you? I honestly don't even get where you were going with this post...

Chuck
 

Orignal Earl

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I am not debating anymore, it's pointless. It's just now funny watching people that would so rabidly attack ANY melding of Christianity and government come out of the woodwork to rabidly defend the Muslims right to the same, or worse.

It's funny you see it that way.
Alright, later man, take care
 

classy

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You know what is such a joke, how this just boiled down to religion over this mosque. Do it ever occur to many that the rejection is out of grief of a lost one and not some religion. Its an easy ass out for so many, blame religous nuts. Many people who are not religous find it unsettling that a mosque is now being built. How can anyone just say in complete lunacy, I don't see why any of those people are mad. Are you serious?
 

classy

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Let me guess all you Dr Phil motherfrackers in here.

Look at this picture



You mean to tell me you dummies actually would call this man's family bigots because they don't want a mosque built? Are you fracking kidding me?
 

xj0hnx

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Let me guess all you Dr Phil motherfrackers in here.

Look at this picture



You mean to tell me you dummies actually would call this man's family bigots because they don't want a mosque built? Are you fracking kidding me?

Yes, not only would they, Craig DID.
 

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How about this one



Yea I am sure that the people who lost someone in that picture and are against a mosque, they are irrational or bigots. I mean no way they could have any real personal reason outside of bigotry. Right?
 

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Oh lets get this sh!t clean up lickity split, we got a mosque to build. Don't worry about IDing the bodies, fvck'em, they'll forget about it a few years

 
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Why do you hate the Constitution and the rights to freedom of religion?

PS:
Go f*ck yourself. You're such an asshole. Using 9-11 pictures to further your own damn agenda. Just like Giuliani and those other scumbags.
 

Orignal Earl

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Look at these racist and bigoted motherfrackers running, its just a little dust


There used to be a couple of posters in here that were those guys running away.
They used to argue against the sort of things you are saying here. I suppose they went on with their lives after seeing no matter what they said, some people will just keep believing what they've been programed too.

( Are you guys out there? )
 

classy

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I'll dare these bigoted motherfrackers to protest a mosque. We didn't find their loved ones, but hell who cares, they got paid for it.


NEW YORK—Flyers of missing loved ones, Sept. 13, 2001.
 

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No, they mean a ton to the fanatics who killed them...matter in the sense they achieved what they were trying to achieve, which was to kill them.

So the importance of who is killed is determined by those doing the killing, not the victims and their friends and families?

In light of that objective, the fanatics don't mind killing some of their own, they view it as acceptable. How else do you think they kick off IED's on our troops in the middle of their own public? Seriously, failure to understand this means you just don't get the level these fanatics operate on.

Your a tool. No shit terrorists don't mind killing innocent muslims, I pointed that out already "Terrorists feel killing anyone and everyone is justified muslim or not". You are trying to state that the muslims being killed on 9/11 don't matter because those doing the killing don't care about them, which is fucking stupid. Muslims were among the dead on 9/11, if people are going to use the 9/11 victims as a guilt card they need to be considered as well.



Fundamentalist? Whatever mosques were there before 9/11 shouldn't be torn down because fanatics decided to do 9/11 there....that'd be F'ing stupid. Not quite as stupid as building a mosque this close to Ground Zero of 9/11, but, close. This should be common sense...unfortunately I can see it's not...

So a mosque that existed near ground zero can stay because they weren't responsible for 9/11 but muslims who also aren't connected to 9/11 can't build a mosque because it's offensive? Before you start lecturing on common sense make sure your arguments make sense.

You know what is such a joke, how this just boiled down to religion over this mosque. Do it ever occur to many that the rejection is out of grief of a lost one and not some religion. Its an easy ass out for so many, blame religous nuts. Many people who are not religous find it unsettling that a mosque is now being built. How can anyone just say in complete lunacy, I don't see why any of those people are mad. Are you serious?

Because bigotry is what is. The arguments against the mosque don't make sense logically. I'm a freaking atheist, I hate Islam, its retarded, but its obvious whats causing this uproar. Hell look at what started this thread, a Christian group protesting a mosque chanting Jesus hates Islam. There have been mosques there all along, but suddenly now during an election year it becomes a problem. It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together.
 

cubby1223

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Yeah, well, Muslims still are treated hundred times better here in the U.S. than Christians are over in Islamic nations.
 

classy

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NEW YORK—Over at the Lexington Street Armory, former President Bill Clinton consoles mourners who have lost loved ones in the attack on the World Trade Center, September 2001.



It is clear to me you motherfvckers forgot that day. I remember that day clearly after hearing about the plane go down in PA and I was crying because I couldn't reach my wife on the phone who worked in Philly. The protest and the displeasure about the mosque ain't about fvcking religion or bigoted trumped up bullshit. That MOTHERFVCKING DAY WAS HELL. Plain and simple. People's lives were just destroyed and now its all of sudden to be forgotten and some how brushed aside. You can go to hell
 
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