another drumpf thread, because drumpf

[yllus]

The more I frequent this site the more I'm beginning to accept the notion that it's time to end the experiment called "The United States of America".

I just don't see reconciling with a bunch of leftist twats who celebrate the diversity of everything but opinion.

In all seriousness, consider living overseas for a little while, see how another country suits you. I've always thought it was silly that people immediately declare the only country they've ever known as the best without seeing what others are like.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The more I frequent this site the more I'm beginning to accept the notion that it's time to end the experiment called "The United States of America".

I just don't see reconciling with a bunch of leftist twats who celebrate the diversity of everything but opinion.

Your ironing needs work.

 

[jackstar7]

Your ironing needs work.

Says who?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I think there's an underlying mass-psychology behind this, in a political universe of several and a range of myths.

I was going to make a new thread entitled: "Is The Truth More Important Than America?"

Now what I mean by this is simple. "We hold these truths to be self-evident" is a line from the Declaration that everyone remembers. That is the value system -- it is based on the Truth.

Suppose there are Lies propagated to which a large group and audience continue to subscribe? As history goes forward, Public Opinion is distorted by these lies, since you'd want the course of progress charted through decisions made on known facts and as much of the Truth they represent or what you can easily and accurately infer from them.

If the only objective of elections is to win, and if at least one side declares to itself and the world that they set no boundaries on deceit, they resort to duplicitous propaganda so preposterous, there is no guarantee that the course of the Future would not be based on some Lie. At some point in the orderly due process of things, mistakes occur, certain types of mass-hysteria and paranoia play into it, and the propagation of lies is particularly insidious.

So the National Character is then degraded for a compromise of simple Honor and the Truth.

And an America based on Lies is an America on pretty shaky ground. So what is more important? The idea there is that America should be built on the Truth.

The Breitbart people have been following the old Goebbels playbook from the time they emerged and before the Tea Party summer of 2010. And there was so much in duplicity and catastrophic decisions by the preceding administration that the troubles go back further.

The problem of ending Dupe Denial is that only the Deniers can awaken themselves. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. No less, a bigot can deny it to everyone else, and he can most certainly deny it to himself.

"F*** political correctness!"
"Yeah! Get the N***** out of the White House!"

That's been their theme all along.

 

[WelshBloke]

I think there's an underlying mass-psychology behind this, in a political universe of several and a range of myths.

I was going to make a new thread entitled: "Is The Truth More Important Than America?"

Now what I mean by this is simple. "We hold these truths to be self-evident" is a line from the Declaration that everyone remembers. That is the value system -- it is based on the Truth.

"that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Those aren't "truths", they are ideals.

 

[zinfamous]

Did you get dropped on your head a lot when you were a child? I think the juxtaposition of these two quotes by you (made in the same thread even!) demonstrates very succinctly the type of intolerant asshole you are. It would seem the world would be a better place if we just all added you to the ignore list. Wait - aren't you the guy who was also here bragging just a couple days ago about torching someone's car, and throwing a lit flare into the house of a kid who picked on you, burning his house to the ground? And destroying a neighbor's property by shooting it? And, you bragged about it? Holeeeeee shit.

oooo, I forgot about that. Maybe Harvey should put in a call to Bartman's local constable?

:hmm:

 

[BonzaiDuck]

"that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Those aren't "truths", they are ideals.

You can offer any constructive comments as well as the critiques such as I answer here.

When I wrote it, I grabbed for some quote that would make my explanation easier.

So let me counter with another presupposition:

"From Locke to Madison, Jefferson -- even Adam Smith -- the Revolution, the convention and Constitution, and the arguments in the Federalist Papers were part of wider trends in thought and problem-solving. It was called the Enlightenment, or perhaps the Age of Reason. It was underscored by such names as Leibnitz, Newton, Bacon and Descartes.

So the rest of what I said would follow.

Let's put it another way. We engage in various kinds of deception in war or covert military operations in the gray area. Many of these things may not likely be declassified except for a regular review and release schedule defined by the government agencies themselves through some dated authorization statute, unless congress passed a new authorizing act to move documents to the National Archives.

This is the cost of war or hot-spots of friction and violence in the world -- some varying degree of discrepancy between civilian understanding of reality and that of the national security apparatus -- including the White House. Thus, there has been a consistent focus from time to time on the release of presidential papers released according to the 1978 Act, howsoever since watered down, delayed through some loophole of schedule change, or any number of reasons sufficiently under the radar.

So under what circumstances might watershed declassifications take place? You can think about that one, but I eventually have an answer.

How can false understanding or a Lie define a wide and psychological view of Public Opinion, and how could its diminishing effects over time surface in the Present? And how would any of the Founders think that not only is the Past prologue, but the direction of Human Progress could only and obviously be charted toward the Truth?

By the way. Does anyone remember Orson Welles and the "War of the Worlds" radio-broadcast? Is Welles a paradox of sorts, if his "Citizen Kane" was an effort to sort out the Truth about William Randolph Hearst, who in some significant part was the prototype for the film's main character?

If I remember, Hearst then went after Welles and put a severe setback in the latter's career.

Just throwing that one out for any interested . . .