Another freaking insane pharmacist

[KK]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Wow.. its amazing how the libs will force their morals onto people when it suits their needs, and choose to scream yell and cry about it when it doesn't.

Isn't allowing gay marriage forcing your morals onto me?
Isn't allowing abortion forcing your morals onto me?
Isn't trying to ban SUV's forcing your morals onto me?

"Forcing your morals onto me" is a poor argument.. since we do it all the time as a society. As others have said, he is perfectly within his rights to refuse service to anyone.. just as an electrician could refuse someone service because they don't want to do a specific job, or a surgeon could refuse to do a surgury they objected to.

The bigotry here is amazing. Any time a person has religious beliefs which conflict with your liberal views, you label them as extremists. Yet, if an environmental group illegally stops a privately owned ship and boards it in protest, they are hailed as heros to the cause. Hang the guy who holds to his religious beliefs legally, but make a hero the person who acts illegally in support of environmental "beliefs".

A little clue here guys, just because someone disagrees with your views does not make them a wacko. You labeling them as such points out YOUR intolerance... you expect other people to be tolerant of your views, but you refuse to be tolarent of theirs. Why is that? Because you are hypocrits..

Please don't consider me liberal for being against these religious wackos. Liberals are just a bit more screwed in the head than these religious people.

KK

 

[Spencer278]

Isn't allowing gay marriage forcing your morals onto me? No.
Isn't allowing abortion forcing your morals onto me? No.
Isn't trying to ban SUV's forcing your morals onto me? No.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

This guy was a freaking nutjob, and has no business imposing his personal moral beliefs on others.

that's right, now stop disgracing those who have actually had such things done to them: see Gypsies in death camps;

now, please define 'forcing moral beliefs on others'; because being whining about someone disagreeing with you and saying 'they have no right' is just ridiculous!

His refusal to provide her birth control pills actually INCREASED her chances of becoming pregnant and the possibility of future abortion.

you are saying this pharmacy has no right to say what it does and doesn't sell? is that right? get over yourself! they have every right not to sell anything from aspirin to amphetamines and it's not 'pushing their morals' on some mindless child of the state.

go to another pharmacy if you don't like how this one does business, don't have sex if you don't want to get pregnant.

or is freedom of speech just 'to much' freedom for those that disagree with you? or are people required to do what you tell them, even if it disagrees with their morality, because you demand it?

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Spencer278
Isn't allowing gay marriage forcing your morals onto me? No.
Isn't allowing abortion forcing your morals onto me? No.
Isn't trying to ban SUV's forcing your morals onto me? No.

I'd have to disagree with this one. 2 out of 3 ain't too bad.

KK

 

[MrColin]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Wow.. its amazing how the libs will force their morals onto people when it suits their needs, and choose to scream yell and cry about it when it doesn't.

Isn't allowing gay marriage forcing your morals onto me?
Isn't allowing abortion forcing your morals onto me?
Isn't trying to ban SUV's forcing your morals onto me?

"Forcing your morals onto me" is a poor argument.. since we do it all the time as a society. As others have said, he is perfectly within his rights to refuse service to anyone.. just as an electrician could refuse someone service because they don't want to do a specific job, or a surgeon could refuse to do a surgury they objected to.

The bigotry here is amazing. Any time a person has religious beliefs which conflict with your liberal views, you label them as extremists. Yet, if an environmental group illegally stops a privately owned ship and boards it in protest, they are hailed as heros to the cause. Hang the guy who holds to his religious beliefs legally, but make a hero the person who acts illegally in support of environmental "beliefs".

A little clue here guys, just because someone disagrees with your views does not make them a wacko. You labeling them as such points out YOUR intolerance... you expect other people to be tolerant of your views, but you refuse to be tolarent of theirs. Why is that? Because you are hypocrits..

He certainly had a right to refuse service due to his own convictions, however he refused to release the prescription to another non-wacko pharmacy, that was what he did wrong.

I think that our conservative peers here at AT would do well to study some basic concepts of logic, and to practice thinking critically, as opposed to outright name-calling and citation of irrelevant examples.

C'mon guys you can do better, there is some brilliant conservative discourse out there, your weak arguments aren't winning anywhere at AT in my opinion.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Isn't allowing abortion forcing your morals onto me?

NO it is not. Because you are still free to not have it. However you are forcing your morals on me when you tell me that my gf can't have one. See the difference? It's fvcking easy.

Isn't allowing gay marriage forcing your morals onto me?

No because they are not forcing you to be a homosexual or to marry one or not to marry one. However you are forcing your morals onto them by not allowing them to have the same rights as you.

Isn't trying to ban SUV's forcing your morals onto me?

drive whatever you want.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

however he refused to release the prescription to another non-wacko pharmacy, that was what he did wrong.

sounds like theft of property to me.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Wow.. its amazing how the libs will force their morals onto people when it suits their needs, and choose to scream yell and cry about it when it doesn't.

Isn't allowing gay marriage forcing your morals onto me?
Isn't allowing abortion forcing your morals onto me?
Isn't trying to ban SUV's forcing your morals onto me?

"Forcing your morals onto me" is a poor argument.. since we do it all the time as a society. As others have said, he is perfectly within his rights to refuse service to anyone.. just as an electrician could refuse someone service because they don't want to do a specific job, or a surgeon could refuse to do a surgury they objected to.

The bigotry here is amazing. Any time a person has religious beliefs which conflict with your liberal views, you label them as extremists. Yet, if an environmental group illegally stops a privately owned ship and boards it in protest, they are hailed as heros to the cause. Hang the guy who holds to his religious beliefs legally, but make a hero the person who acts illegally in support of environmental "beliefs".

A little clue here guys, just because someone disagrees with your views does not make them a wacko. You labeling them as such points out YOUR intolerance... you expect other people to be tolerant of your views, but you refuse to be tolarent of theirs. Why is that? Because you are hypocrits..

Crimson, you're missing a crucial point here: Who are the ones trying to force others to live per their moral beliefs?

Isn't allowing gay marriage forcing your morals onto me?

Unless you're having a gay marriage sometime soon, this has nothing to do with you personally.

Isn't allowing abortion forcing your morals onto me?

Again, are you having an abortion at some point? If not, it has nothing to do with you.

Isn't trying to ban SUV's forcing your morals onto me?

Who's doing that?

The bottom line here is the lady who wants to pick up her birth control pills without being subjected to someone else's moral judgement is the one being affected. It's her decision to take the pills, and here we have a pharmacist making moral judgements on another's behalf.

Ask yourself next time, "What does this issue have to do with me?" It may help you sort out the instances in which the issue at hand actually has something to do with you personally, or whether you're simply trying to dictate how others live their lives.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Bunch of anti-christian bigots here. Try to learn some tolerance.

 

[Vic]

Another day, another attack from the Left on the 1st Amendment.

 

[preCRT]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

This guy was a freaking nutjob, and has no business imposing his personal moral beliefs on others.

that's right, now stop disgracing those who have actually had such things done to them: see Gypsies in death camps;

now, please define 'forcing moral beliefs on others'; because being whining about someone disagreeing with you and saying 'they have no right' is just ridiculous!

His refusal to provide her birth control pills actually INCREASED her chances of becoming pregnant and the possibility of future abortion.

you are saying this pharmacy has no right to say what it does and doesn't sell? is that right? get over yourself! they have every right not to sell anything from aspirin to amphetamines and it's not 'pushing their morals' on some mindless child of the state.

go to another pharmacy if you don't like how this one does business, don't have sex if you don't want to get pregnant.

or is freedom of speech just 'to much' freedom for those that disagree with you? or are people required to do what you tell them, even if it disagrees with their morality, because you demand it?

It was not the pharmacy that refused to sell the birth control pills. This was a Kmart Pharmacy and they had the pills in stock, he alone refused to sell them to her, and worse, he refused to allow the transfer of her prescription to another pharmacy. He willfully interfered with her attempts to get her legal Rx filled, and in time to maintain the effective benefits for her protection. It was his legal obligation to comply with the transfer of the Rx, not to intentionally prevent it.

Does he also refuse to sell Viagra or condoms?

 

[Fern]

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Isn't allowing gay marriage forcing your morals onto me?
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No because they are not forcing you to be a homosexual or to marry one or not to marry one. However you are forcing your morals onto them by not allowing them to have the same rights as you."


Sorry, wrong answer. The push for gay marriage is exactly for the purpose of "forcing morals on you". When/if legal, everyone must recongize and treat gay "marriage" as traditional marriage whether or not it fits your belief system. Gay marriage is not being proposed so that only gays recognize gay marriage, but everyone (governments, corporate institutions and individual people).

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Fern
"Qoute

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Isn't allowing gay marriage forcing your morals onto me?
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No because they are not forcing you to be a homosexual or to marry one or not to marry one. However you are forcing your morals onto them by not allowing them to have the same rights as you."


Sorry, wrong answer. The push for gay marriage is exactly for the purpose of "forcing morals on you". When/if legal, everyone must recongize and treat gay "marriage" as traditional marriage whether or not it fits your belief system. Gay marriage is not being proposed so that only gays recognize gay marriage, but everyone (governments, corporate institutions and individual people).

No one is forcing you to recognize some one elses gay marriage. The only enity being force to recognize gay marriage is the goverment because the goverment choose to recognize stright marriages.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Fern
"Qoute

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Isn't allowing gay marriage forcing your morals onto me?
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No because they are not forcing you to be a homosexual or to marry one or not to marry one. However you are forcing your morals onto them by not allowing them to have the same rights as you."


Sorry, wrong answer. The push for gay marriage is exactly for the purpose of "forcing morals on you". When/if legal, everyone must recongize and treat gay "marriage" as traditional marriage whether or not it fits your belief system. Gay marriage is not being proposed so that only gays recognize gay marriage, but everyone (governments, corporate institutions and individual people).

No one is forcing you to recognize some one elses gay marriage. The only enity being force to recognize gay marriage is the goverment because the goverment choose to recognize stright marriages.

If I own a company, and I am forced to pay for the insurance of a spouse of a gay person, don't tell me I am not being forced to accept their moral beliefs.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Fern
"Qoute

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Isn't allowing gay marriage forcing your morals onto me?
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No because they are not forcing you to be a homosexual or to marry one or not to marry one. However you are forcing your morals onto them by not allowing them to have the same rights as you."


Sorry, wrong answer. The push for gay marriage is exactly for the purpose of "forcing morals on you". When/if legal, everyone must recongize and treat gay "marriage" as traditional marriage whether or not it fits your belief system. Gay marriage is not being proposed so that only gays recognize gay marriage, but everyone (governments, corporate institutions and individual people).

No one is forcing you to recognize some one elses gay marriage. The only enity being force to recognize gay marriage is the goverment because the goverment choose to recognize stright marriages.

If I own a company, and I am forced to pay for the insurance of a spouse of a gay person, don't tell me I am not being forced to accept their moral beliefs.

You should not be forced to proviced for the health care for any spouse of any empoley. If you really care about corperations not have to provide health care for spouse you should get that law change and not prevent gays from marriage.

 

[ReiAyanami]

Amish computer technician: every day's a vacation

 

[LordMagnusKain]

He willfully interfered with her attempts to get her legal Rx filled, and in time to maintain the effective benefits for her protection. It was his legal obligation to comply with the transfer of the Rx, not to intentionally prevent it.

Does he also refuse to sell Viagra or condoms?

he's got every right not to sell anything his bosses agreed with him he doesn't have to, and that isn't 'forcing morals' on anyone: probably won't sell condoms, and if she can prove injury from him not giving her superscripting back she's got right to sue over the delay in fulfillment of prescription; who she can is determinant on the policy's and procedures of k-mart pharmacy.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Bunch of anti-christian bigots here. Try to learn some tolerance.

I am tolerant of you beliefs. I didn't say you can't believe in whatever you want to believe in, so don't tell my gf what pills she can or can't buy. Where is your fvcking tolerance?

 

[LordMagnusKain]

so don't tell my gf what pills she can or can't buy. Where is your fvcking tolerance?

I don't see as how not doing something your morally opposed to is being intolerant:

please explain further

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Your religious beliefs belong in your church and your own damn home, you dont impose your morals onto others.

Hmmm...sounds intolerant

 

[PrinceofWands]

I support anyones choice to stand by their beliefs. If he doesn't choose to sell birth control, he should say so. If his bosses are ok with that, that's fine too. However, if it's LAW that he has to transfer the rx and he doesn't, he should pay the penalty, no questions asked. Standing up for your beliefs doesn't exempt you from the law. If I decided to assassinate Bush in order to hold to my beliefs (agreement with the constitution), I wouldn't expect leniency in the courts, I'd expect to fry. It wouldn't necessarily stop me from doing it, but I'd accept my punishment...and so should he.

It also doesn't prevent the woman from running a negative publicity campaign against that pharmacy. If I were her, I'd get a couple thousand people together, picket, write letter, write the papers, call in the media, do anything I could to bankrupt that particular business. It's the business owners right to allow their employees to decide for themselves what they will and will not sell...it's our rights as consumers to protest that business and drive them out of the marketplace.

As long as you support BOTH rights, you're not prejudiced in this matter. Support only one of the two sides, no matter how well conceived your arguments, and you're a bigot.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

so don't tell my gf what pills she can or can't buy. Where is your fvcking tolerance?

I don't see as how not doing something your morally opposed to is being intolerant:

please explain further

your moral belief is impeding me from doing something which is perfectly legal. that is intolerant.

my moral belief is that organized religion is a piece of sh1t, but i am not stopping you from going to church. that would be intolerant.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

so don't tell my gf what pills she can or can't buy. Where is your fvcking tolerance?

I don't see as how not doing something your morally opposed to is being intolerant:

please explain further

If he's morally opposed to doing his job he should find another occupation.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Bunch of anti-christian bigots here. Try to learn some tolerance.

I am tolerant of you beliefs. I didn't say you can't believe in whatever you want to believe in, so don't tell my gf what pills she can or can't buy. Where is your fvcking tolerance?

I dont care what pills your gf buys. Im a libertarian who feels that all drugs should be legal for people to choose.
But also I feel that you can;t force someone to do something that is against their beliefs, especially in a private company.
So dont tell the pharmacist what pills he can and cannot sell. Go buy them somewhere else.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Bunch of anti-christian bigots here. Try to learn some tolerance.

I am tolerant of you beliefs. I didn't say you can't believe in whatever you want to believe in, so don't tell my gf what pills she can or can't buy. Where is your fvcking tolerance?

I dont care what pills your gf buys. Im a libertarian who feels that all drugs should be legal for people to choose.
But also I feel that you can;t force someone to do something that is against their beliefs, especially in a private company.
So dont tell the pharmacist what pills he can and cannot sell. Go buy them somewhere else.

well, he didn't want to fill the prescription and then he didn't want to release the prescription so it could be filled somewhere else. you see the problem with that, right?