Another free energy hoax?

[sao123]

Scientists Claim To Tap The Free Energy Of Space

 

[ghackmann]

Let's see:

"Physicist Bruce DePalma has a 100 kilowatt generator, which he invented, sitting in his garage. It could power his whole house, but if he turns it on, the government may confiscate it."

It can't be produced because of a conspiracy. Strike 1.

"His N machine, as it is called, is said to release the "free energy" latent in the space all around us."

Reference to "free energy". Strike 2.

"The DePalma generator is essentially a simple magnetized flywheel, ie a magnetized cylindrical conductor rotating at high speed with the help of a motor. His astonishing claim is that the present versions of the N machine can generate up to five times more power than it consumes."

It uses magnets to violate a fundamental law of physics. Strike 3. And that's just the first few paragraphs.

So yeah, it's a hoax.

 

[Cawchy87]

Remember the Myth Busters episode about free energy? I assume this too would come closer to powering a watch rather than an entire home.

This sounds like he is claiming to harness the power of radio waves.

 

[91TTZ]

Another lame purpetual motion hoax. Only this time he's not claiming it's purpetual motion, it's "free energy".

 

[ribbon13]

No such thing as free energy...

Better, would be to seek the most efficient methods for transferring energy.

To bad the Fusor project was cancelled when it hit the 50/50 (break even) mark. Damn oil companies.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

there is that zero point energy they have been talking about, its the energy that exists in space all around us. if this energy is removed i seem to recall watchin a program saying that if its removed atoms implode releasing much more energy than if an atom was split. then again they had only produce energy from this in a lab with some wierd set up using ultra sonics to shield the atoms from this energy and have them implode. it probably lasted less than a few seconds, and although it generated energy it wasnt useable in anyway

 

[Calin]

You can't use ultrasonic waves to make atoms implode. However, I heard about some invention that used ultrasonic waves to create internal huge pressure spots, where all kinds of interesting reactions happens

 

[syadnom]

first of all, i'd like to rename
basic law of the conservation of energy
to
theory of the conservation of energy

BECAUSE, we have yet to develope a unified theory of physics and theirfor do not understand the universe full.

i do believe that the 'theory' of conservation of energy is valid in normal circumstances and that a simple magnetized flywheel would not produce such and exotic situation to pull enery from the fabric of space. likely the only situation we will see in our lifetime that makes these exotic situations is in black holes or near pulsar stars with overlapping gravity waves(if gravity waves actually exsist)

likely, this is just some guy trying for attention and playing the perpetual energy harmonica

 

[Peter]

In science, "law" equals "theory", with the added strength of lots of scientists having already tried to poke holes into that theory - without success. Including examination of "exotic" situations.

 

[Calin]

I read the article, and in essence the "scientific" explanation is that a magnetic field is a property of space, and not of a magnet. This way, you could rotate a magnet but its magnetic field would be stationary. If instead of a magnet you use magnetised conductors, they will rotate inside their (supposedly stationary) magnetic field.
Needless to say that this is false - a rotating magnet will create a rotating magnetic field, and this is just the way some generators work (but instead of the rotating magnet use a rotating electromagnet).

Calin

 

[MetalStorm]

Originally posted by: Calin
You can't use ultrasonic waves to make atoms implode. However, I heard about some invention that used ultrasonic waves to create internal huge pressure spots, where all kinds of interesting reactions happens

I think you might be referring to the sonoluminescence. This procedure was used to try and fuse deuterium while suspended in acetone, however the experiment was later shown to be false after the neutrons detected (a sign of fusion) were later traced back to the neutron emitter required in the experiment.

However, using this so called bubble fusion, it some day may be possible to make sufficiently powerful equipment that can cause the deuterium to fuse.

As for extracting the "free energy" from space, there really isn't much energy to tap - the background temperature of space is in the region of 2 to 3 Kelvin, and there are only a handful of atoms floating around in each cubic meter of space, that's why it's called space... because it's pretty much empty!

As for using magnets to produce electricity through induction, I once considered it, I shall explain:
Think of satellites orbiting the earth, now if you were to make a very large coil of wire, with a hole through the centre, and effectively wind it around the orbit of the satellite, then replace the satellite with a magnet. As the magnet satellite orbits it will induce a current - this energy would be coming from the gravitational potential energy the satellite has, however, I believe the magnet would also slow down due to the induction and that would mean it's orbit would change and it would crash in to the coil. So even then trying to harness gravitational energy seems a dead end.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Calin
You can't use ultrasonic waves to make atoms implode. However, I heard about some invention that used ultrasonic waves to create internal huge pressure spots, where all kinds of interesting reactions happens

yeah it was something wierd i cant really put my finger on it, anyway the way i interperated it was that they shielded atoms from whatever the zero point energy is and made them do somthing to get energy out

it was discovery channel so it wasnt really that indepth, jus a glance over

 

[sao123]

Is there any credibility to the second faraday experiment mentioned in the article?

 

[Bassyhead]

definitely a hoax

 

[Calin]

Thanks, MetalStorm, it was sonoluminiscence indeed.
sao123, you could try the experiment yourself, but I doubt it will work as pretty much all the electricity in the world is generated by a principle that contradicts what was written in the article. However, shortly, when you rotate a magnet its magnetic field will rotate also, so the reason they gave for energy generation is wrong.
(almost all the electricity is generated from mechanical motion, you rotate a magnet (or electromagnet) and the moving magnetic field will produce voltage and current in solenoids. This produced current is the blood of our entire technological world

 

[Gibsons]

So even then trying to harness gravitational energy seems a dead end.

Tidal dams being a limited exception.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: ribbon13
No such thing as free energy...

Better, would be to seek the most efficient methods for transferring energy.

To bad the Fusor project was cancelled when it hit the 50/50 (break even) mark. Damn oil companies.

haha - its 2005 and your saying "No such thing as free energy." - humes

 

[Geniere]

Free energy exists and is there for the taking. The means for doing has been accomplished over the last 15 years or so. This energy, ZPF (zero point force, energy of the vacuum) can be extracted from the vacuum of space (here on Earth) by the motion of two conductive plates separated by a small gap. It is in the realm of plausibility that certain geometric shapes may interact in such a manner to provide continuous motion merely by extracting ZPF via the Casimir Effect.

ZPF may also serve to unite all fields including gravity thereby finally bringing into fruition Einstein?s desire to achieve a Unified Field Theory. It may also be the reason for ?inertia?, another presently unexplainable physical phenomenon.

ZPF is also thought to be responsible for the accelerated expansion of the universe

All links below are reputable sources, not junk science as in the OP?s link.

This link provides a description of the ZPF.

http://www.du.edu/~jcalvert/phys/casimir.htm

An understandable lecture:

http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~alokik/Zero/3D%20Zero-Point%20Energy.PPT

The third link is a somewhat more difficult treatise, but this should excite your interest.

ENGINEERING THE VACUUM FOR "WARP DRIVE"
http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/putnasa.htm

From the Link: ?Perhaps one of the most speculative, but nonetheless scientifically- grounded, proposals of all is the so-called Alcubierre Warp Drive. Taking on the challenge of determining whether Warp Drive a la Star Trek was a scientific possibility, general relativity theorist Miguel Alcubierre of the University of Wales set himself the task of determining whether faster- than-light travel was possible within the constraints of standard theory?

The last two links provide some attempts to use ZPF to cause motion.

http://www.newsroom.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/display.cgi?id=174

http://www.trnmag.com/Stories/2002/0116...ffect_alters_device_motion_011602.html

 

[imported_Hamzter]

Reputable sources??? Only one of them looks remotely reputable, one of them is from a site that advertises anti gravity machines! There's so much science against these concepts, it puzzles me how anyone actually believes the crackpots...

 

[ribbon13]

Theres tons of free energy if by free you mean just takes the cost of the device to harness it. Solar panels anyone? At least until the sun burns out...

 

[bobsmith1492]

What's up with all the conspiracy theories on HT lately? I think I realize why the US is lagging behind the world in science and math....

 

[grant2]

So let's get this straight:

1a) this contraption is a disc of magnet layered with a disc of metal attached to an electric motor
1b) somehow they claim such a device justifies $100,000 to manufacture

2a) This device cannot be demonstrated because "the government will confiscate it"
2b) they hope to convince someone to pay $100,000 for a device that cannot be used because "the government will confiscate it"

... uh huh ...

 

[Geniere]

Hamzter - ?Reputable sources??? Only one of them looks remotely reputable, one of them is from a site that advertises anti gravity machines! There's so much science against these concepts, it puzzles me how anyone actually believes the crackpots...?



Hamzter needs to write less and read more!

In order of my post the links are authored by or refer to work done by:


Dr. JB Calvert, Ph. D Associate Professor Emeritus of Engineering, University of Denver

Alokik Kanwal Ph.D, Rutgers University, N. Brunswick NJ

H. E. Puthoff, Ph.D, Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin ,TX

Umar Mohideen, Ph. D. The University of California at Riverside

Federico Capasso, Ph. D, Chief of the physical research laboratory at Bell Labs

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Geniere

Hamzter - ?Reputable sources??? Only one of them looks remotely reputable, one of them is from a site that advertises anti gravity machines! There's so much science against these concepts, it puzzles me how anyone actually believes the crackpots...?



Hamzter needs to write less and read more!

In order of my post the links are authored by or refer to work done by:


Dr. JB Calvert, Ph. D Associate Professor Emeritus of Engineering, University of Denver

Alokik Kanwal Ph.D, Rutgers University, N. Brunswick NJ

H. E. Puthoff, Ph.D, Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin ,TX

Umar Mohideen, Ph. D. The University of California at Riverside

Federico Capasso, Ph. D, Chief of the physical research laboratory at Bell Labs

Yeah, haven't you heard of Ulfwald B Huthford, Ph.D, Master of Quantum Physics of Yale? Jeanine G Salcan, Ph.D, of University of California? Guess not, I made them up. But then, you wouldn't know that.
Not that I'm saying that those people are made up - just that, you never know. "Doctors" you see on TV aren't usually doctors. They just don the white outfit and a stethoscope around their necks - that makes them doctors.

by the motion of two conductive plates separated by a small gap.

Sounds like a capacitor of sorts - two conductive plates separated by an insulator.

However, I have also heard of this force/effect - dark energy I believe it is also called, something that is theorized to explain the increasing rate of expansion of the Universe. It's almost as if spacetime can't hold itself together anymore, it's spread too thin, that it's just flying apart.
So, two big issues concerning dark energy:
1) Prove that it exists, and that we haven't just overlooked some other forces, or properties of existing forces.
2) Figure out how and if it can be harnessed.



One final issue with these "government/big oil conspiracy" dealies - they've got the Internet to contend with. Paris Hilton's address book was spread around the Internet quickly. If anyone discovers an easy way to pull energy out of spacetime, I think they'd probably be able to post their full info on the Internet - and once it's out, it's out. There'd be no stopping it.

 

[Geniere]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
?Yeah, haven't you heard of Ulfwald B Huthford, Ph.D, Master of Quantum Physics of Yale? Jeanine G Salcan, Ph.D, of University of California? Guess not, I made them up. But then, you wouldn't know that.

Any one who has done a modicum of research during their studies or at work would quickly know. The worth of an author is usually determined by the appearance of the work in a peer-reviewed journal, and by the number of times others cite it.

Originally posted by: Jeff7 ?Sounds like a capacitor of sorts - two conductive plates separated by an insulator.

Actually separated by a dielectric (study permittivity of free space). For the Casimir effect to become measurable it is necessary to reduce the separation of the plates by many orders of magnitude. The Casimir effect is real, measurable, can be used to cause motion, and is a universally accepted fact. As to the capacitor, the effect is being studied as a means to obtain greater capacitance in a smaller package.

Originally posted by: Jeff7 ? However, I have also heard of this force/effect - dark energy I believe it is also called, something that is theorized to explain the increasing rate of expansion of the Universe. It's almost as if spacetime can't hold itself together anymore, it's spread too thin, that it's just flying apart.

The ZPF and dark energy may be one and the same but the jury?s still out.

Originally posted by: Jeff7?If anyone discovers an easy way to pull energy out of spacetime, I think they'd probably be able to post their full info on the Internet - and once it's out, it's out. There'd be no stopping it.

As I posted, it?s been done, it?s out there, and it?s proven. Read about it starting with the first link in my original post!