Antec P150

[Tweakin]

Originally posted by: Missing Ghost
I really don't like that case.
hdd suspension reduces hdd rpms, and the hdds are not grounded correctly.
The insulation on the doors will increase the temps.
White is ugly.

I would like to know how you figure the suspension system reduces the RPM of the drives? I'm not even going to go into the grounding of the hard drives or that insulation will increase the temps of a case.

"Dude, you must have a Dell..."

 

[Missing Ghost]

because the hdd casing isn't fixed.
A part of the hdd motor's power will be used not to make the disk spin but to try to make the hdd case "spin". That is, the hdd casing will become a little diagonal when the motor will start, a part of the motor's power will be used to deform the suspenders.
For the grounding thing, I don't mean the ground from the 4 pin plug, but the "safety" ground, you know the third pin on the psu's 120V ac connector. If you read your hdd's user manual you will see that the drive will need to be grounded.
http://www.zalman.co.kr/upload/product/zm_2hc2_s_p.jpg
Look at this HDD cooler from zalman, they use rubber to reduce vibrations, but they must use a wire to provide the grounding.

 

[GTaudiophile]

The rubber suspension system for the HDs is optional from what I can tell. You still have the normal/metal bracket system as well.

Look here: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article272-page3.html

Fan/filter holder removed. Note the four standard drive sleds behind it.

Remove the drive sleds and you'll be greeted by yet another new feature. Antec has engineered the first factory installed (to my knowledge) rubber elastic suspension HDD setup in the P150.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Originally posted by: Missing Ghost
because the hdd casing isn't fixed.
A part of the hdd motor's power will be used not to make the disk spin but to try to make the hdd case "spin". That is, the hdd casing will become a little diagonal when the motor will start, a part of the motor's power will be used to deform the suspenders.

If that's true, which it's not, then the HDD platters are still moving past the read/write heads at the same speed.
The mass of the HDD case is way more than the platter assembly, so the motor's torque is transferred to the platters. You can run a hard drive sitting on a book or tabletop or anything, with no impact on performance. In fact, when professional reviewers test hardware, they rarely use cases.

 

[johnnqq]

nice try missing ghost...

 

[Missing Ghost]

If you put a drive on a table it still works at the good speed because the drive's case can't move because of the static friction between the casing and the table. If you put the drive between suspenders, there is no static friction, and a part of the hdd motor's power will ALWAYS be used to "make the drive casing turn". If you put the drive at the end of a rope or something, you will see that the motor's power is separated between the casing and the platters proportionnaly to their mass. Just like an helicopter would spin around if it didn't have a tail motor.
Anyway, if you look in your hdd manual, you will see that they recommend that you fix the hdd with 4 screws and good grounding. Just go on the seagate site or something, look at an hdd manual.

 

[johnnqq]

you do realize taht hard drives don't spin like tops when they're suspended, right?

 

[Trippytiger]

Originally posted by: Missing Ghost
If you put a drive on a table it still works at the good speed because the drive's case can't move because of the static friction between the casing and the table. If you put the drive between suspenders, there is no static friction, and a part of the hdd motor's power will ALWAYS be used to "make the drive casing turn". If you put the drive at the end of a rope or something, you will see that the motor's power is separated between the casing and the platters proportionnaly to their mass. Just like an helicopter would spin around if it didn't have a tail motor.
Anyway, if you look in your hdd manual, you will see that they recommend that you fix the hdd with 4 screws and good grounding. Just go on the seagate site or something, look at an hdd manual.

But the tension in the cables does absolutely nothing to hold the drive in place?

 

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by: Trippytiger

Originally posted by: Missing Ghost
If you put a drive on a table it still works at the good speed because the drive's case can't move because of the static friction between the casing and the table. If you put the drive between suspenders, there is no static friction, and a part of the hdd motor's power will ALWAYS be used to "make the drive casing turn". If you put the drive at the end of a rope or something, you will see that the motor's power is separated between the casing and the platters proportionnaly to their mass. Just like an helicopter would spin around if it didn't have a tail motor.
Anyway, if you look in your hdd manual, you will see that they recommend that you fix the hdd with 4 screws and good grounding. Just go on the seagate site or something, look at an hdd manual.

But the tension in the cables does absolutely nothing to hold the drive in place?

In the P150, the suspension is under a high amount of tension. The cables will hold the drive in place.

I will repeat myself, I have never heard of an incident where a Harddrive failed due to improper grounding.

 

[Shadowknight]

The drive gets grounded through the power cable. Besides, I've run my Samsung on foam for two years with no problem. My old Maxtor and WD died within 3 months of each other and they were both screwed in directly to the case. Many people on SPCR suspend their drives or put them on foam and have never had a problem.

 

[WobbleWobble]

Installed a PC based on this case and I must say I love the case. My only complaint is the power supply, the NeoHE is a joke with a weak +3.3V rail and an even weaker +5V rail.

 

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by: WobbleWobble
Installed a PC based on this case and I must say I love the case. My only complaint is the power supply, the NeoHE is a joke with a weak +3.3V rail and an even weaker +5V rail.

Did you test with multimeter? My 3.3V and 5V look fine, its the 12V that looks a bit low.

 

[WobbleWobble]

Originally posted by: Tiamat

Originally posted by: WobbleWobble
Installed a PC based on this case and I must say I love the case. My only complaint is the power supply, the NeoHE is a joke with a weak +3.3V rail and an even weaker +5V rail.

Did you test with multimeter? My 3.3V and 5V look fine, its the 12V that looks a bit low.

I did, it was hanging at +4.80V with nothing else plugged into it but a 6600GT, A8N-SLI Premium and 3800+ X2. It's a three rail 12V PSU right? I can't remember as the PSU is at home.

But my board had massive issues with the PSU. Within 30 seconds, the board would spontaneously reboot. Tested it with a Seasonic ST 400W and it's fine. Replaced the Neo HE with a OCZ Modstream 520W and it also works fine.

But considering my Seasonic HT 400W has twice the amount of amps on the +5V rail and still significantly more on the +3.3V rail as well, it has led me to believe that the PSU isn't delivering power where it's needed.

 

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by: WobbleWobble

Originally posted by: Tiamat

Originally posted by: WobbleWobble
Installed a PC based on this case and I must say I love the case. My only complaint is the power supply, the NeoHE is a joke with a weak +3.3V rail and an even weaker +5V rail.

Did you test with multimeter? My 3.3V and 5V look fine, its the 12V that looks a bit low.

I did, it was hanging at +4.80V with nothing else plugged into it but a 6600GT, A8N-SLI Premium and 3800+ X2. It's a three rail 12V PSU right? I can't remember as the PSU is at home.

But my board had massive issues with the PSU. Within 30 seconds, the board would spontaneously reboot. Tested it with a Seasonic ST 400W and it's fine. Replaced the Neo HE with a OCZ Modstream 520W and it also works fine.

But considering my Seasonic HT 400W has twice the amount of amps on the +5V rail and still significantly more on the +3.3V rail as well, it has led me to believe that the PSU isn't delivering power where it's needed.

I see. Actually you are right, my mobo monitor is reporting 3.26V and 4.87V respectively :S

 

[Hobinator]

confused as to why one would buy an SLI board with P150 case...

For the passive cooling.

 

[thesurge]

This case looks awesome. Too bad I just picked up a Super Lanboy

 

[Mrvile]

Hmm, I don't really like the look of the case. It's got a lot of features, but I expect better from Antec, especially at that price range.

 

[LDRunner]

Originally posted by: WobbleWobble

But my board had massive issues with the PSU. Within 30 seconds, the board would spontaneously reboot. Tested it with a Seasonic ST 400W and it's fine. Replaced the Neo HE with a OCZ Modstream 520W and it also works fine.

But considering my Seasonic HT 400W has twice the amount of amps on the +5V rail and still significantly more on the +3.3V rail as well, it has led me to believe that the PSU isn't delivering power where it's needed.

The NeoHE 430 units that are shipping with the P150 (and even other NeoHE units) have incompatibility issues with several motherboards, the worst culprit being the A8N line. Check out the following thread: http://forums.silentpcreview.com/viewto...25890&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Call up Antec and get the RMA process started. Hopefully all of their tech. support personel are up to date with the revised NeoHE units.

I really like this case but had I known about this issue with the NeoHE I would not have purchased it. I had to take out my motherboard to get the PSU out (due to the design of the P150), and since Antec won't cross ship the revised unit I have a really expensive paper weight sitting here for about 2 weeks.

So, if anyone is planning on buying this case I would test your motherboard with a NeoHE 430 unit prior to purchasing. Otherwise you risk having to send the PSU back to Antec at your own cost and waiting 1-2 weeks for a new unit to arrive.

 

[WobbleWobble]

I got an RMA authorization a week ago. The tech through the support tickets immediately knew what the situation was. The first reply asked me to update the BIOS with another PSU. I did that already and still no go then the 2nd reply was the RMA. So my guy seemed to be aware of it.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

anybody got pictures of the p150? and why is there no all aluminium modell? Lian owns? :-/

 

[RalfHutter]

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
anybody got pictures of the p150?

Plenty of pics in the original SPCR review.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

user pics pls :-/

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
anybody got pictures of the p150? and why is there no all aluminium modell? Lian owns? :-/

Unless you're moving the computer, aluminium offers absolutely no advantages. None.

And there's plenty of pics posted on the internet. Try searching.

 

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
user pics pls :-/

I hear using the search function is nice ;p

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=37&threadid=1738051&enterthread=y

 

[RalfHutter]

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
user pics pls :-/

Err, those are user pics. They're all of my case.

Here's a few more though:

#1,

#2,

#3,

#4,

#5.