any news on the 2407?

knifemyglitter

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yeah, when the hell are they going to annouce this thing. And i hope it has a better response time than the 2405, because thats the only reason im not buying it. Tomshardware said its not great for gaming with a 22 ms repsonse time.
 

fierydemise

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Originally posted by: knifemyglitter
you sure?

Yeah pretty sure, but I'm with MBrown HDCP is a big deal if you plan on upgrading to Vista, if your not then its not such a big deal.
 

knifemyglitter

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only if i want to watch movies on my pc, which is pretty lame. im a gamer, so im mosty concerned with colors, and response time. if the panel is the same, ill just get the cheaper 2405, but im waiting to see if its improved, which i hope it will be.
 
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HDCP goes beyond just movies on your PC. Personally for me, with how paranoid and delusional just about all media companies are becoming, it would be worth it I think.

However, back to the main point. I believe the panel is updated, however, its not really improved, at least, from what I recall reading/seeing, they haven't changed the specs on it, at least response time was the same.

Did Tom's say its bad for gaming based solely on the response time they measured or did they actually play some games on it? The reason I ask, is its one of those things that you can't really measure. I know there are plenty of people gaming on this monitor and loving it, and back about this time last year when I had one for about a month, I thought gaming is where it looked its best.

It also must be noted, that I don't believe they've actually released the final specs officially, so its possible that they could've just been bogus and it will in fact have a lower response time.
 

justlnluck

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I don't trust any specs until Dell makes an official annoucement...which I hope will be soon. I've been waiting to upgrade from my CRT for long enough!
 

JBT

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Don't forget to get a video card that supports HDCP oh wait there aren't any.

Also Tom is an Idiot. there are plenty of us who use the 2405 daily for games and it rocks.
 

justlnluck

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JBT, how are the viewing angles? I remember reading the specs of the 2405 and it only has 84 degrees or something... Most LCD monitors have 170 degrees.
 

framerateuk

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I cant say ive ever noticed anything wrong with the viewing angle on my 2405... saying that though i tend to sit in front of it while im using it

Ive found it excellent for gaming though, good colour, and i havent noticed any problems with the response time. Saying that, im not a hard core gamer, but i play a fair few FPS and Racing games through it, and its been great.

Its also made a very good HD display for my 360 (via the VGA connector, far better than the component, even though the component does work correctly up to 1080i, the monitor just does a better job of scaling VGA signals).
 

Reznick

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The 2405 price is back at $999, by the way, at least for today. Curious what they will price the 2407 at. It is likely that if they eliminated the 2405 discount so close to the 2407 launch, Dell will launch 2407 over $1000 while they sell off their remaining 2405 inventory.

There is a lot of pent up demand for the 2407, and with the price points of the 24" LCD / HDCP competition out there hovering around $1,350-$1,400, we may see at least a $1,200 price on the 2407.

Just a guess...
 

darXoul

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Originally posted by: knifemyglitter
so...does anyone see ghosting on the 2405?

Yes. It ghosts like crazy in fast games. In fact, most LCDs do. This one doesn't even play in the league of the fastest LCDs though.
 
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Originally posted by: justlnluck
JBT, how are the viewing angles? I remember reading the specs of the 2405 and it only has 84 degrees or something... Most LCD monitors have 170 degrees.

Dell lists the viewing angles on their monitors funny. They put it as +/- 89, which means they treat the center of the monitor as zero, and then you get 89 degrees of viewing angle in either direction. So it's really 89X2=178.
 

alpha88

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The 2405 doesn't ghost anymore than other high end LCD screens. If you are bugged by other high end LCD, you'll be bugged by the 2405. If you use a 19" 8ms or what not and don't see ghosting, you wont see it on the dell either.
 

yacoub

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Input lag is a much bigger concern than ghosting or response time. I don't find the ghosting visible or annoying on my 17" Sony LCD that's three years old so I'm sure any more modern LCD has even better response times today. That said, there is no input lag on mine - ie, when I move the mouse, the cursor on screen responds immediately, where as on some of the large LCDs there is a several dozen millisecond lag between your movement and the movement of the cursor on screen, even in Windows at the desktop. That is extremely annoying.
 

darXoul

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Originally posted by: alpha88
The 2405 doesn't ghost anymore than other high end LCD screens. If you are bugged by other high end LCD, you'll be bugged by the 2405. If you use a 19" 8ms or what not and don't see ghosting, you wont see it on the dell either.

What do you mean by saying "high end"? The Dell is just SLOW for games like Q3 CPMA and while you can see some blur and possibly ghosting on other LCDs, there are MUCH better gaming monitors around. Basically, any TN panel below 8 ms, any 8 ms P-MVA panel and any 6 ms S-IPS or S-PVA panel kicks the crap out of the overhyped and overrated Dell. Not even mentioning the infamous input lag.
 

fierydemise

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I've used a 2405 and I've seen ghosting but some don't it really depends on your sensetivity to ghosting
 

darXoul

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True that. Also, if you switch from a slow LCD, ghosting won't be an issue for you. You can get used to ghosting on sub 16 ms monitors, too. Anyway, I'm a "hardcore", demanding gamer still playing on a CRT so most LCDs simply don't cut it for me.

BTW, why buy the 2405? The 2407 will be out in three days, and it uses a slightly faster 8 ms panel. Too bad it's still a slowish S-PVA in my book...

Edit: just read the first post again and it looks like you want the 2407. nvm then...
 

yacoub

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2407 is out in three days?? cool.
that said, if it is the same panel it should have the same problems.
 

Reznick

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I thought I would be sensitive to ghosting, but my new Gateway FPD2185W doesn't seem to have any sign of it. Nothing that makes a difference to me, and I've been playing UT2004 a whole lot just to see if the LCD creates some visual problems in fast FPS gaming. I would assume the 2405/2407 would be very similar. The game is just flat out amazing to look at.

You can run some tests that are available to show ghosting, and those tests will reveal that ghosting does occur on even the best of LCDs. But the tests I've seen use bright colored blocks displayed on white or black backgrounds, and the ghosting is notable but not significant. When you are playing a game, however, colors are rarely contrasted like that. When I move quickly back and forth, say, looking at my weapon or an object near me, I just don't see anything wrong. Things blur in general because they are moving. There is no smearing of colors or lagging. It frankly doesn't look any different to me than when playing on a CRT, since things are happening so quickly. It does not affect gameplay at all, or my ability to quickly spot moving objects, etc. I just don't get the feeling that the display is slower than a CRT, and it is a helluva lot crisper and clearer than a CRT. For me, that is a better tradeoff even if ghosting was an occasional issue.

Trust me, when you remember what the ghosting looked like on LCD several years ago, and then look at them now, the difference is huge. I don't think you'd have anything to worry about if you are looking at the Dells as it relates to ghosting. Of course, if you spend all your time trying to see it, you likely will. I just play. I remember when I got my first Sony Trinitron. All I could see was those two damn horizontal lines. One day, I just forgot about them. Loved the monitor. LCDs have different issues from CRTs, but once you've gone widescreen (which is somewhat like going from dial up to broadband), you'll be willing to accommodate the typical LCD quirks, especially for the excellent LCDs, like the Dells.
 

knifemyglitter

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darXoul, is it really coming out in three days? and how did you know about the new panel? also, what are some alternatives in the 24" zone.
 
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