any news on the 2407?

[abaez]

Just to chime in on the ghosting issue from the first page. The only time I see ghosting is when there is a white background and darker colors in front of it. (Like if you were in WoW near ironforge with all the snow).

Other than that, there is no other ghosting, and even that white background ghosting is not very bad, I've gotten very used to it.

 

[Eug]

While I was looking around for info on the Japanese sites though, I did run into quite a few forum threads on high amts of eyestrain that the LG panels 2405's are using are causing, and that the 2407 can be worse if it's using a S-PVA panel by Samsung. I'd ordered a 2405 from Costco a week ago and was planning on cancelling it after hearing of the 2407 coming out, but this has made me a little worried...

Eyestrain from what? A lot of monitors come set way too bright. If that's the problem they can just lower the brightness.

P.S. What are the real world differences between the two 24" panels LG-Philips makes?

 

[Madellga]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: knifemyglitter
darXoul, is it really coming out in three days? and how did you know about the new panel? also, what are some alternatives in the 24" zone.

Does'nt anyone read any reviews around here? The fastest best colors display is a year old S-IPS from HP. Not inferior Dells using cheap MVA or TN or anything else. Samsung's mva motion blur horrible - and they toptally lie about the numbers citing grey to grey in tead of old school, on off... in reality Dell 2405 RS is hovering in the 25ms range according to toms. As far as I'm concerned those stating it does'nt ghost are either fooling themselves which is natual after dropping $900 on junk - or blind - or both.

also.. do a google search for "input lag 2405" not covered by toms or AT's reviews.

Sorry Zebo, I have to disagree. You normally say we shouldn't spend more money on the expensive CPUS, as it is a waste.

I kind of think the same on the monitor area. The HP might be a better solution than the DELL, but it costs normally 50% more also (at least for me). I bought my 2405 for 800 bucks, the HP was 1200 and up.

I think the DELL 2405 is a good monitor for its price - I paid 800 for a widescreen solution, at a time people where paying 800 bucks for a 20" monitor 4:3.

Regarding what you see or don't, you can't tell people what they should see, at least in this area. If you read different reviews about the same monitor, you will find different results.

I read your review about the Nec 20 wide. I believe it is a good monitor, I am trying also to see one at a store nearby. But I guess most people you find the glossy screen not OK. It is a matter of taste !!

Tom's review about the 2405 was a joke - most websites gave a go for this monitor.

Dell UltraSharp 1905FP: Setting the Bar for New 19" LCDs was a joke also. I bought this monitor because it was cheap and had a good review at Anand, a site that I normally trust. It is a good monitor for office work and internet, but horrible for games - the worst I had up to date. They said it was ok

The 2405 might have issues as you described, but I honestly don't see any issues for this monitor. If I could go back in time knowing all of this, I would still buy it. Are there better monitors? Yes ! Do they cost 800 ? No !

I don't have to fool myself. If the monitor was that bad, I could have simply returned it to DELL - 2 week return policy (where I live). If it is bad like that, why don't people just return it?

PS: The company I work for has thousands of HPs 4:3 and some are also 16:9. They are used at CAD workstations. I use one sometimes (CAD and MS Office, doing a Powerpoint or Excel at 1900x1200 is amazing) and can't really tell it is a better monitor than the 2405. I like the 2405 better for text, it is sharper. As of gaming, I can't compare, they run only CAD.

 

[NeezyDeezy]

Originally posted by: Madellga
As for gaming, I can't compare.

the point

 

[Zebo]

Madellga - Monitors are somewhat exempt from a price/performance matrix since they involve the sight sensory. They are not a tool like CPU or GPU, which, after choosing your minimal satisfactory level of performance can then be plotted price/performance, picking your winner. Monitors can not be overclocked either - taking a cheap one and making it top of the line- what you see is what you get with a monitor. So essentially it's a different ball game than CPU's/ HDD's GPU's or any other tool.

Since life is short - Like cases, with monitors - i like to be surrounded by beautiful things so money is really no object if it looks good and appeals to my sensory. And many monitors don't even meet my minimum standards of performance and I have made comments to the effect "even if my Dell 2005 were $100 and this NEC is $800 I'd still pick the NEC." to reflect this fact. And it's true Dell is too slow - NEC is fast enough.

RE: 2405: Your dell 2405 *was* an awesome deal, sorry for giving wrong impression.. But when i posted those remarks the S-iPS HP 2335 and the Sony 234 are both less than $1000 making the Dell less attractive is all. Now Phillips had a 23" overdriven 6ms AS-IPS for $1000 which makes any other monitor choice foolish in that size. $200 premium is nothing - 20% more for far superior color image and speed.

RE: 1905 - too funny - I also bought the 1905 with Anands review in mind - to say I was disappointed was an understment - Kris is blind, period!


Anyway - I don't want to give wrong impression. Your monitor is a very good one all around, just not for gaming in this day an age which is why I was animated.

See thread title to see where I was coming from.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Madellga - Monitors are somewhat exempt from a price/performance matrix since they involve the sight sensory. They are not a tool like CPU or GPU, which, after choosing your minimal satisfactory level of performance can then be plotted price/performance, picking your winner. Monitors can not be overclocked either - taking a cheap one and making it top of the line- what you see is what you get with a monitor. So essentially it's a different ball game than CPU's/ HDD's GPU's or any other tool.

Since life is short - Like cases, with monitors - i like to be surrounded by beautiful things so money is really no object if it looks good and appeals to my sensory. And many monitors don't even meet my minimum standards of performance and I have made comments to the effect "even if my Dell 2005 were $100 and this NEC is $800 I'd still pick the NEC." to reflect this fact. And it's true Dell is too slow - NEC is fast enough.

RE: 2405: Your dell 2405 *was* an awesome deal, sorry for giving wrong impression.. But when i posted those remarks the S-iPS HP 2335 and the Sony 234 are both less than $1000 making the Dell less attractive is all. Now Phillips had a 23" overdriven 6ms AS-IPS for $1000 which makes any other monitor choice foolish in that size. $200 premium is nothing - 20% more for far superior color image and speed.

RE: 1905 - too funny - I also bought the 1905 with Anands review in mind - to say I was disappointed was an understment - Kris is blind, period!


Anyway - I don't want to give wrong impression. Your monitor is a very good one all around, just not for gaming in this day an age which is why I was animated.

See thread title to see where I was coming from.

Yep, with monitors its all about your satisfaction level. For instance, for some people, a no-name 19" LCD is a huge step up from some several year old OEM or no-name 17" CRT. Then there are people who regularly use displays costing more than many people's cars. I started out with a 17" Dell CRT that was actually pretty nice, and then went to a 2001FP (for about $600, back when that was an awesome deal), which was a huge step-up for me. I subsequently got a 2005FPW (which I liked quite a bit more than the 2001 for the widescreen and better brightness, although it had its flaws), then replaced that dual monitor setup with a 2405FPW (which was awesome). I downgraded back to a 2005FPW, and then to a 1704FP. I wouldn't mind using any of those as my primary display, but at the same time I like checking out different models as I haven't found a monitor that I'm very satisfied with (the 1704/2001 not being widescreens, the 2005 having some backlighting issues, and the 2405 not having good enough colors/brightness).

I'm awaiting one of those 21" Gateways I bought from someone in the FS/T forum. I've used Dell's 1704FP, 2001FP, 2005FPW (I think 3 different ones, including early and later revisions), and 2405FPW, and I loved all of them (although I definitely have preferences between them). I've also seen the Apple ones, and numerous other monitors, although not very many recently. For me, I found the Dell's to have great image quality, and never noticed motion blur/ghosting, and like the other features, that I think even at the non- super great prices (for instance $425 for a 2005FPW) that they are very nice deals.

However, something else I would have to look at is that I could probably get a dual 2005FPWs or a single 2405FPW for about the price of one of those new NEC 20"ers that Zebo loves (I would really like to check one of them out, as they sound awesome), and so for me, I would get more value out of the dual monitor or much larger screen. Granted I haven't seen/used the NEC yet, so its definitely possible that the image quality could win me over, but even then I would still be very tempted to spring for one of the other options which I like well enough. At the same time I'm tempted to get two of those new 19" widescreen monitors (I might check one out soon just to see if I like them much at all), as that'd cost about the same as this Gateway.

In fact, depending on how well I like the Gateway, I may or may not check out the NEC. I might end up waiting to see how the 07 Dell's turn out. Hopefully they'll actually release the damn things sometime soon. I would love if Dell would put their TrueLife coating on their LCD monitors and not just the laptop screens. Also, it'd be nice if they'd introduce a 19" widescreen.

 

[Zebo]

Wow you sound like you have my problem, never satisfied - I'm also thinking NEC is too small.. looking at 23's

I'll tell what separtes the NEC from Dell 2005 - As I have them side by side right now. Motion blur goes without saying. 2) whites are pure bright alpine white on NEC while Dells look faded/beige even with 100% brightness 3) blacks are pure black on NEC, Dells not near as black. 4) grey scale tests I've run pure smooth transistions with NEC, Blotted with Dell. 5) colors are way more vivid with NEC. 6) view angles are truly 90 with NEC while dells seem to fade at 70 degrees. i used to think the Dell was perfect image wise since I got a good one (no back light bleed) now it sux in comparison..

If you get a NEC (if you get a good one, no back light bleed) you be very pleased. Sorry to say I think the Gateway will not satisfy you since you've already told me you have prefernce for IPS by your upgrade and changeover habits.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Wow you sound like you have my problem, never satisfied - I'm also thinking NEC is too small.. looking at 23's

I'll tell what separtes the NEC from Dell 2005 - As I have them side by side right now. Motion blur goes without saying. 2) whites are pure bright alpine white on NEC while Dells look faded/beige even with 100% brightness 3) blacks are pure black on NEC, Dells not near as black. 4) grey scale tests I've run pure smooth transistions with NEC, Blotted with Dell. 5) colors are way more vivid with NEC. 6) view angles are truly 90 with NEC while dells seem to fade at 70 degrees. i used to think the Dell was perfect image wise since I got a good one (no back light bleed) now it sux in comparison..

If you get a NEC (if you get a good one, no back light bleed) you be very pleased. Sorry to say I think the Gateway will not satisfy you since you've already told me you have prefernce for IPS by your upgrade and changeover habits.

Ah, thanks for the response.

Yeah, I'm not sure what to expect (something tells me I'll probably be disappointed, but I figured I can always resell it on here and get something else). I know Samsung has a new 21" thats about $50 cheaper than the Gateway that I might try to get if the reviews are good. The more I think about the more I realize that the HDCP and component inputs of the Gateway really aren't anything that at this point I'd really need, and a 1" increase just won't be much, so I might should've just gotten another 2005FPW.

My problem picking a display actually goes further. For quite a while now I've been just using an Inspiron 6000 with 1280x800 screen, and just about anything would be an upgrade over it. However the real problem is that I'm not sure how I'm going to be using my computer (just in the process of building a new one). I might be converting my room into my entertainment hub again, but I'm not sure. Right now I have a 30" widescreen CRT HDTV that is very nice, and then an Infocus 4805 projector. I like it, and movies and everything on it is great (although my 30" has a noticably better picture), but I don't use it enough (and its kinda a hassle to use) so I'm gonna sell my whole home theater system. I'm gonna stick with the HDTV, although I considered going for one of those new 37" 1920x1080 LCDs. So, I'm trying to figure out if I'd like to go dual monitors and throw a movie on one screen while working on the other, or if I'd just like to get one large screen since I seem to get distracted and would either be only watching the movie or doing whatever else, so dual monitors might be a waste (and a 23-24" screen is a nice fit for my bedroom as its still plenty large, about like the 30" is for the living room (where the 100" of the projector is pretty much straight overkill, and I've really started to notice the screen door effect more and more on it).

Hmm, the more I hear/read about the NEC, the more I like the sound of it. It has the clearcoat type screen, right?

I wish Dell would hurry and get those new ones out so I can see how they are. If they're nice enough, I might end selling off my system and everything and sticking with the laptop and wait until they bring out systems with the new Intel CPUs (which hopefully live up to the hype), and then pick up one of them and a 2407 or something and just try to make myself be content with that setup for a long while (which hopefully the 2407 turns out to be nice enough that it will make being "content" with that easy).

Mostly anymore, I buy new stuff just to try it out and then sell it not too long afterwards. I'm fairly certain my new system will probably be gone before too long. I just wanted to put together a system and wasn't going to be doing anything this spring break. Been wanting to check out those dual cores, that Aspire X-QPack, OCZ's power supplies, and the Biostart TForce-6100 board. I figure if nothing else I can downgrade it to a single core, take out the video card, and get one of those 19" widescreens and sell it to one of my friends or something. Yeah, I'm bored...

Oh, yeah, to make matters worse, I'm kinda trying out different audio setups as well. I want to try out several different headphones, and I picked up a set of Z-5500s to be able to form an opinion on them (I'm pretty impressed, as my home theater setup has to be turned up quite high to be able to start getting the quality out of them, although the Dayton sub I'm using absolutely smacks the Logitech one around).

 

[Madellga]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Madellga - Monitors are somewhat exempt from a price/performance matrix since they involve the sight sensory. They are not a tool like CPU or GPU, which, after choosing your minimal satisfactory level of performance can then be plotted price/performance, picking your winner. Monitors can not be overclocked either - taking a cheap one and making it top of the line- what you see is what you get with a monitor. So essentially it's a different ball game than CPU's/ HDD's GPU's or any other tool.

Since life is short - Like cases, with monitors - i like to be surrounded by beautiful things so money is really no object if it looks good and appeals to my sensory. And many monitors don't even meet my minimum standards of performance and I have made comments to the effect "even if my Dell 2005 were $100 and this NEC is $800 I'd still pick the NEC." to reflect this fact. And it's true Dell is too slow - NEC is fast enough.

RE: 2405: Your dell 2405 *was* an awesome deal, sorry for giving wrong impression.. But when i posted those remarks the S-iPS HP 2335 and the Sony 234 are both less than $1000 making the Dell less attractive is all. Now Phillips had a 23" overdriven 6ms AS-IPS for $1000 which makes any other monitor choice foolish in that size. $200 premium is nothing - 20% more for far superior color image and speed.

RE: 1905 - too funny - I also bought the 1905 with Anands review in mind - to say I was disappointed was an understment - Kris is blind, period!


Anyway - I don't want to give wrong impression. Your monitor is a very good one all around, just not for gaming in this day an age which is why I was animated.

See thread title to see where I was coming from.

Hi Zebo,
Like you, I normally paid more in the past for a better screen. I am short-sighted and the monitor is the most important piece of hardware for me. During the CRT era, I bought a Sony 420GS which was probably 40% more expensive than a similar Samsung, my friends said I was crazy.:|

The 2405 might not be the best around, but it is a good bang for the buck. Far from a bad product IMO.

Now that you mentioned the HP L2335, I checked the prices and it is much closer to the 2405, less than $100. It was never this close before. I am terribly tempted to drive to a store tomorrow and pick one - if it is really that better I could ebay my 2405 (no dead pixels, no bleeding, no lag) or sell to a friend.

Do you know about a good comparison HP x Dell? Is it worth trying the L2335?

I am also picking up tomorrow a Nec 20GXW2 to replace the 1905. Are you still happy about this monitor? Do you still recommend it?
I know it is smaller, but can it be a replacement for the 2405?

PS: For you to understand where I am coming from, my first monitor was a Philco 26" TV which I used to plug my AppleII and Atari2600......
Everything is better than that.....

 

[Zebo]

Zebo is building 16' octagon Gazebo in back yard so I'm hot and busy I'll reply in full to later but lets address the urjent concern since you are shopping now.

I am also picking up tomorrow a Nec 20GXW2 to replace the 1905. Are you still happy about this monitor? Do you still recommend it?

Yes best montior I've seen see my post above yours. No i don't really recommend it if buying mail order. Too many cases of back light bleed which my nessesitate several paid shipping RMA's to get a good one that's jet black. See this thread
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3208

 

[CP5670]

Yes best montior I've seen see my post above yours. No i don't really recommend it if buying mail order. Too many cases of back light bleed which my nessesitate several paid shipping RMA's to get a good one that's jet black. See this thread

As far as I know NEC covers shipping both ways if you do your RMA in the first 30 days. They also send a replacement in advance and give you a few weeks to send the bad one back.

 

[Roy2001]

I am waiting for 2407. When will DELL release it?

 

[justlnluck]

I know, I thought the news article said it was leaked 'a few days' before it's intended announcenment. How long is a few days to Dell? It's now been over a year since the 2405 was released. TIme to move onto new technology folks!!

 

[BigHurt]

hum de dum... where oh where is my 2407 at?

 

[pbrain]

Japan, clearly.

 

[Jazzatola]

The 2407 is coming on May 3rd according to the Dell rep over at http://www.widescreengamingforum.com

 

[BigHurt]

Originally posted by: Jazzatola
The 2407 is coming on May 3rd according to the Dell rep over at http://www.widescreengamingforum.com

Yay!
Ive been patiently waiting for far too long. Now hopefully there will be some coupons!

 

[DJSfurry]

Just in case it hasnt been mentioned, according to the Japan Dell website the 2407 has a 6ms response time. Im in Hong Kong and if that has better colours than the 2405FPW (at least similar to the 2005/7 WFP) then ill be getting that. ~$800 US currently.. when they switched out the 2005FPW for the 2007WFP on the website they kept the discounted price that the 2005FPW had, so really quite an attractive deal if the 2407WFP doesnt turn out to have such great colours.

 

[Jazzatola]

Ericbunny, a very reputable seller on eBay, has the 2407 up for pre-order now for £669 including VAT and delivery to the UK.

He is also quoting a May 3rd release date.

 

[brailroad]

Somebody posted a page from the Australian dell magazine:

http://glendero.net/dell_2407.JPG

It's going to be out very soon

 

[pbrain]

1,699.00 Australia Dollars = 1,262.09 United States Dollars
according to xe.com

 

[Jazzatola]

So most reports from Australia and Japan where the monitor is now on sale say that there are significant problems with the 2407 such as blurred text and colour banding. I've heard that it's been delayed for another 3-4 weeks too so I ended up going for the 2405 instead.

 

[BigHurt]

Originally posted by: Jazzatola
So most reports from Australia and Japan where the monitor is now on sale say that there are significant problems with the 2407 such as blurred text and colour banding. I've heard that it's been delayed for another 3-4 weeks too so I ended up going for the 2405 instead.

really? where did you hear that report?

I'm getting tired of waiting for the new and improved 24" monitor to show up...

 

[Jazzatola]

Originally posted by: BigHurt
where did you hear that report?

Head over to the Widescreen Gaming Forum, there's a long thread there.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: knifemyglitter
so...does anyone see ghosting on the 2405?

No, not at all. If there is any trailing, it's minute enough that I don't notice, especially transitionining from my 3-year-old NEC 1960NX. My eyes certainly tire a lot less with the 2405, so I think the response time is faster.

My aim has certainly improved (more resolution + larger size = bigger heads).