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Dannar26

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It is not-so-unexpected behavior from S808/S810 devices. Unless aggressively managed, they heat up like crazy and start stuttering. Unfortunately the OEMs do not have luxury of Google who do not need to worry about performance/benchmarks, so they try to maintain some level of performance, which leads to overheating. Heck even the 5X occasionally heats up and stutters.

It was on creative mode (which I never play under normal circumstances) which allows you fly. When flying, your field of vision expands greatly, and the phone has to go into overtime rendering an entire world (as well as creating it for the first time...not sure if that makes a difference) at 1440p. It was very hot. It was clear that it was throttling when I switched to a web browser and saw it stuttering.

Since then I have not been able to re-create this. Again, it may have something to do that since the worlds in MineCraft are now infinite, they don't exist until you actually "see" them (I think). The phone still gets warm after several minutes of play.

My wife pointed out that I may be hypersensitive to this, since I am not using a case at the moment. My S4 was always in a case.

The phone has never gotten hot under other activities I've used it for, and the battery life has been ok. I'm just trying to figure out if I got my hands on a dud, or if the 808 is a mess too. I would have expected this from a 810...
 

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It was on creative mode (which I never play under normal circumstances) which allows you fly. When flying, your field of vision expands greatly, and the phone has to go into overtime rendering an entire world (as well as creating it for the first time...not sure if that makes a difference) at 1440p. It was very hot. It was clear that it was throttling when I switched to a web browser and saw it stuttering.

Since then I have not been able to re-create this. Again, it may have something to do that since the worlds in MineCraft are now infinite, they don't exist until you actually "see" them (I think). The phone still gets warm after several minutes of play.

My wife pointed out that I may be hypersensitive to this, since I am not using a case at the moment. My S4 was always in a case.

The phone has never gotten hot under other activities I've used it for, and the battery life has been ok. I'm just trying to figure out if I got my hands on a dud, or if the 808 is a mess too. I would have expected this from a 810...

Having no case can only help you, because it's open to the air (better ventilation). Unless the cases you use have a built in fan they'll only make things worse.
 

Dannar26

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Having no case can only help you, because it's open to the air (better ventilation). Unless the cases you use have a built in fan they'll only make things worse.

Indeed. However, without the case, I'm more keenly aware of my device heat.

What I need to do is to see how hot the Snapdragon 600 in my S4 gets under similar load without its case. I understand that 3D gaming of any kind usually takes its toll on these mobile processors. Afterall, they're not really designed for "gaming" as we're familiar with from a PC perspective.

I just got my V 10 from AT&T...and I generally love the experience (although I need to stop trying to push the camera lens to activate/unlock the phone). But if I have a dud, or if this thing is just too poorly designed that it'll incinerate itself after a year, I need to return it soon.
 

Bubblehappy

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What device were you trading in? I checked it just now and it offered me $300 for my cracked (but working) T-Mobile GS2 T-989
It appears that Verizon is offering (at least in my area) $300 trade in for any working non-cracked phone if you are starting new service. I was shocked they offered me that for my craptastic Nokia Lumia phone. It's an instant credit off your purchase. I didn't need it all so I have a credit on my phone bill coming.
 

Bubblehappy

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Indeed. However, without the case, I'm more keenly aware of my device heat.

What I need to do is to see how hot the Snapdragon 600 in my S4 gets under similar load without its case. I understand that 3D gaming of any kind usually takes its toll on these mobile processors. Afterall, they're not really designed for "gaming" as we're familiar with from a PC perspective.

I just got my V 10 from AT&T...and I generally love the experience (although I need to stop trying to push the camera lens to activate/unlock the phone). But if I have a dud, or if this thing is just too poorly designed that it'll incinerate itself after a year, I need to return it soon.
I played Clash of Clans for a couple hours on mine yesterday. I have a case on mine and didn't notice it getting hot. Didn't have any performance issues either.
 

Dannar26

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I played Clash of Clans for a couple hours on mine yesterday. I have a case on mine and didn't notice it getting hot. Didn't have any performance issues either.

Isn't clash of clans essentially a web browser game in terms of performance though?

I haven't had any heating or performance issue with other tasks thus far. I think I acquired Vice City from the amazon app store a ways back...I'll have to give that a try.

I'm trying to find out two things:

1) What is a reasonable expectation to hold for this phone in terms of 3-D gaming?

2) Is my particular model to standard, or is it faulty and overheating?

My research is ongoing. I'll let everybody know what I find out.

I want this device to be worth keeping, but I wont hesitate to return it if it's a badly designed piece of tech.
 
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I decided I'd go ahead and get it, but since I wouldn't be able to unlock it for a month or two on T-Mobile, I was going to just buy it from AT&T but apparently they'll only sell it if I setup an account even if I don't activate it and pay full price. I'm gonna see if I can buy it from Best Buy without setting up an account though.
 

Dannar26

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You should be good then. From the horses mouth:

PROMOTION RESTRICTIONS:

This Promotion applies only to new LG V10 handsets purchased in major carriers’ stores and their authorized retailers, authorized national retailers and authorized online dealers. Major carriers and authorized retailers include:

Amazon with operator services

AT&T wireless store

Best Buy

T-Mobile wireless store

Verizon wireless store

Carrier authorized retailors reselling operator services

What service are you trying to put this on? If you aren't trying to get carrier subsidies (who am I kidding? I should say "financing"), it makes more sense to keep carriers out of your phone purchase. Then you can root/debloat/flash to your heart's content. It probably has a positive impact on update time lines as well.

What version does BB sell?

Also:

After flying around in creative on my S4 (which stuttered like a sunnovagun at 1080p) I feel I can conclusively say it will make any mobile SoC hot and bothered.

Overall the S4 didn't get *as* hot, but it also lagged a lot more. Still, we're comparing old to new here. I wish Qualcomm chips managed heat better this generation.
 
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You should be good then. From the horses mouth:



What service are you trying to put this on? If you aren't trying to get carrier subsidies (who am I kidding? I should say "financing"), it makes more sense to keep carriers out of your phone purchase. Then you can root/debloat/flash to your heart's content. It probably has a positive impact on update time lines as well.

What version does BB sell?

Also:

After flying around in creative on my S4 (which stuttered like a sunnovagun at 1080p) I feel I can conclusively say it will make any mobile SoC hot and bothered.

Overall the S4 didn't get *as* hot, but it also lagged a lot more. Still, we're comparing old to new here. I wish Qualcomm chips managed heat better this generation.

Thanks for the heads up. I happened to see that as well.

Ended up working well for me. AT&T refused to sell me one without making an account, so bought an AT&T one from Best Buy. Got a free TV too boot (it's a small 24" 720p one, but eh it was free so can't complain). Switched to Cricket and its working well (without unlocking or anything either). I was using an ATT SIM on Straight Talk with a Note 3, and it rarely wanted to use LTE for some reason (although ATT coverage shows LTE all over up here and we're getting LTE with Cricket now).

I definitely agree. Need to see if I can get stock Android and Marshmallow on it.

I haven't really played with it much so far. I like it. I don't feel like it is quite as premium as some reviews have made it sound, although it does feel solid. The stainless steel sides especially. Seems to be quality all around (but it does have a rubberized plastic backplate, not that much different from the Note 3, but it is somewhat protected on the sides by the steel frame so its nicer there). Curious if the ring around the rear camera is actual metal so that those magnetic lenses can work. I don't mind the rear buttons and surprised that losing the capacitive navigation buttons hasn't bothered me (I used them all the time on the Note 3). I also kinda like the second screen for using shortcuts to get to programs. Can't comment on battery life as I haven't used it enough. Definitely will have to keep expectations in check as the ZeroLemon had literally 3 times the battery. Definitely fits in the pocket better though!

Need to check out the camera and the DAC though to see if its a keeper for sure.
 

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The DAC only works with the default music player. I use power amp and it doesn't affect it. The default player is pretty good though. The camera is great.
 
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The DAC only works with the default music player. I use power amp and it doesn't affect it. The default player is pretty good though. The camera is great.

According to Head-Fi some other apps do make use of it, but it doesn't necessarily show up the same way. But they could be wrong too (since they're claiming there's a noticeable difference in sound when turning it on and off in some other programs). I saw some that said Tidal works with it for instance.

I'm trying to sort through and see if there's anything worthwhile. Some thought that maybe with root would be able to force the hi-fi DAC on all the time (it is a bit silly that isn't an option for that, especially since it having a soft on/off seems to cause it to not turn on sometimes when you do plug headphones in).
 

Oyeve

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I find a couple of things annoying on this phone.

1. The auto brightness is garbage. Its pretty much garbage and useless like the iphone versions. Minimum settings dont work well at all. Auto is too low most times.

2. Where the hell is the built-in video player? Not a big deal as I use MX player but I can only access the built in player if I click directly on a video file in file manager. It seems like a decent player but I would like to launch the app.
 
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I find a couple of things annoying on this phone.

1. The auto brightness is garbage. Its pretty much garbage and useless like the iphone versions. Minimum settings dont work well at all. Auto is too low most times.

2. Where the hell is the built-in video player? Not a big deal as I use MX player but I can only access the built in player if I click directly on a video file in file manager. It seems like a decent player but I would like to launch the app.

Yeah, the auto brightness sucks badly.

No idea. I could've sworn it and the Music player only showed up as widgets, but now there's an normal icon for Music and no Video at all (I can see it when checking Apps, not sure if you can create a shortcut from there or not).

Frankly, while the display is fine, I still greatly prefer AMOLED. I just checked and I have my Note 3 set to about the 2nd lowest brightness setting and it is easily as bright as about 50% on the V10's slider while not being eye searing, and needless to say there's no comparison in black levels. Also, the little 2nd display isn't AMOLED? That seems like a bizarre thing since I can see noticeable backlight bleed on it at times, and it would make sense to use OLED for it.

Really liking the sound quality. Is it as good as a dedicated DAC/amp? I don't know, might compare it later, but now I don't feel compelled to get one. I likely still will though as I plan on getting a Surface and possibly changing my current setup (using a Titanium HD on a desktop). But it is very good. Now if they'd just open it up so you can make it be the default for when you use the headphone jack (meaning it will automatically work with all apps).

Any idea on how to change the MIDI (and where to find alternatives)? I know its a waste of the quality, but I have a bunch of game music MIDI files, and the default ones are not a good fit.

Got really frustrated with the AT&T address book pop-up until I found out how to disable that. Hope the Marshmallow update allows me to lock down all the ATT stuff even more (the Drive Mode). Thankfully it doesn't complain about the SIM like my Verizon Note 3.

Took some pictures but haven't actually checked the quality yet. Definitely fast autofocus and pic taking. Still would like a dedicated shutter button.

I'm mixed on the feel of the phone. Overall it is great, I absolutely love the stainless steel sides (do wish they were darker though), makes the phone feel very solid (iPhone 6 and 6S feel downright cheap in comparison, but then not everyone will like the heft that the solid steel brings). The plastic pieces on the top and bottom on the face are a bit cheap (they're solid just don't look premium to me). If they would have done wrap around with the glass vertically (so like how the Samsung Edge phones are, just on the top and bottom instead of the sides) then I think people would be absolutely fawning over this phone's feel. The plastic back is fine although I would have preferred more premium material there as well, but I like how the side frame kinda hides the lip of the cover (compare it to say the Note 3, where it covered the back and was sandwiched so that the side frame doesn't provide a protective lip).

Will be interested to see how the Lumia 950 is. I don't see myself giving up the V10 for it, as while it could be a very good, even great phone, I think the LG is so good that it'd be a sidegrade at best. Also apparently Microsoft is delaying (possibly indefinitely) the ability to sideload Android. That in itself isn't a major issue as I don't really use much apps in general, but it is disappointing somewhat. We'll see next year though.

This is a great phone now, but with some changes, this could be a real wow phone. Samsung, see how you can make a premium feeling phone without giving up features?
 

Dannar26

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This is the best phone for right now. Not going to lie...the snapdragon 820 is making me a bit envious. However we'll need to see it in action.

I really wish that SoC was in this phone, but oh well. I'm not really constrained by processing power anyway.

Again...it's the battery, storage, large form factor, and ruggedization that we'll it for me. Those factors are useful to me (and to most anybody arguably).

My phone will have 264 GB of storage....a lot of people's laptops don't even have that.
 
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Just sent in my info for the one promo. The spare battery could definitely come in handy as I'm not used to having a much smaller battery just yet.

This is the best phone for right now. Not going to lie...the snapdragon 820 is making me a bit envious. However we'll need to see it in action.

I really wish that SoC was in this phone, but oh well. I'm not really constrained by processing power anyway.

Again...it's the battery, storage, large form factor, and ruggedization that we'll it for me. Those factors are useful to me (and to most anybody arguably).

My phone will have 264 GB of storage....a lot of people's laptops don't even have that.

I wouldn't say best, but its getting overlooked pretty big. I think a lot of it is people have been kinda disappointed by LG's phones lately, and they're used to the discounts/deals on the G2-G4, so people probably are waiting for this to see similar.

Plus its getting mixed reviews. Some seem to like it quite a bit, but some seem to barely be doing anything more than going through the motions (there's quite a bit of reviews, not just for the V10 either, where I'm seriously wondering if the person actually used the device, or if they just ran some benchmarks and then had an intern rewrite their preview). I see people complaining about LG's software and maybe I'm missing something but its very uninvasive, and often makes sense where they added it. I also think the LG keyboard might be my favorite software keyboard so far (other than its autocorrect likes to swap out cusswords, but its still learning; not saying its perfect, but I prefer it over the Google Android ones and Samsung's so far).

The 820 won't be in a major device until what next summer? I'm not too envious, I knew there'd be big gains. I just plain don't use my phone for anything processor intensive so its not an issue. It is smoother than my Note 3, so I don't mind. I'm hoping that this new level of solid devices is here to stay and they don't move backwards in that regard.

I really hope there's a V10-II. Keep mostly everything, maybe upgrade the sensor (but make sure not to lose any performance), upgrade the SoC and specs, and I'd really like them to go AMOLED. Make that and I'd buy it again.

I also hope Android adds facial recognition as an option. It could offer a two factor setup, but it offers a big benefit during the winter (where a fingerprint scanner is worthless if you have to keep taking gloves off). Not to mention it could enable cases that cover the fingerprint sensor if you don't use it.
 

Oyeve

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Just got my alcatel onetouch watch. Synced perfectly to the V10. Now to sell my gear 2 as it is useless to me now.
 

gorcorps

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Just a reminder to those V10 owners... you only have until 11/30 to redeem the extra battery and SD card if you haven't yet (only good for purchases 11/15 and before).
 

mnewsham

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The 820 won't be in a major device until what next summer?

Looking more likely Feburary/March with the S7 release.

Both SD820 and Exynos 8890.

The real question is can Adreno 530 on the SD820 keep up with the Mali T880MP12 on the Exynos 8890.
Both SoCs will have more than enough CPU power to get through pretty much anything.
 

Bubblehappy

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Just a reminder to those V10 owners... you only have until 11/30 to redeem the extra battery and SD card if you haven't yet (only good for purchases 11/15 and before).

I submitted mine on 11/10 and it was approved today! I will use the battery but think imma gonna sell the SD card.
 

Oyeve

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Just a reminder to those V10 owners... you only have until 11/30 to redeem the extra battery and SD card if you haven't yet (only good for purchases 11/15 and before).

Ha! Just got my tracking # today. Should be here on Friday. Place about 2 weeks ago. I was really expecting 2-3 months, not 2 weeks! Happy all the same. I already have a 128gb sd card in the phone but my dell venue could use the 200gb sd on top of the 512gb ssd in it already.
 

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My extra battery, cradle and 200GB SD card came in! Nice. Don't know what to do with the 200gb sd card as my lgv10 has 128gb in it already.
 
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I'm still waiting to get confirmation on mine. Registered on the 20th, so hopefully sometime soon.

The second display would be better if you had absolute freedom for what to put there, I'd put some of the...not sure what they're called (but the Android ones, where you can turn stuff like Wi-Fi, bluetooth, NFC, and similar controls on/off).

I also need to get a dash mount. Is there a way to create and save options in the camera? It can save the last stuff, but I'd like to be able to have a few that could be quickly accessed for different situations. Like when driving being able to snap a picture (since obviously fumbling with a phone in that situation would be stupid, but if I could set it for that when I start driving and then can enable voice controls so I wouldn't even need to touch it). Any good dash cam apps (would love if there was one that could be setup to take good quality pictures with the full power of the camera, and not miss a beat on recording, well beyond the hiccup of it stopping recording to take the pic but then could resume automatically afterwards). Also would love it being able to work while using say Google Maps navigation.

And I asked before but anyone know how to change the MIDI library?

Oh, and for the people that would like to unlock it with gloves, you can setup facial recognition (not sure how good of security it offers though) although it takes a moment and you have to slide to get past the wake screen so not as quick as the fingerprint sensor but this way you can keep gloves on when its cold.

so the DAC would not affect playing music via the Google Play Music app?

It doesn't seem to. I really don't know why LG didn't make it so all headphone output would use it, or at least an option.

Thought I might be able to get around it by downloading music on the Google app and then play it in the LG player. Can't even do that for albums that I got not as part of subscribing to the service (they've given away a couple of albums that I got and can only get them in the Play app).
 

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Need to get a new phone this week. Coming from a GS4. Interested in the larger screen, so looking at the GS6Edge+, the Note5, and the V10. I'm not sold on the edge technology, but there is no S6+ without the edge. So it's really down to the Note5 or the V10, or bite the bullet and hang on to my S4 until March and see if the S7 is better. Any thoughts/recommendations based on experience with the V10? Thanks.
 

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Need to get a new phone this week. Coming from a GS4. Interested in the larger screen, so looking at the GS6Edge+, the Note5, and the V10. I'm not sold on the edge technology, but there is no S6+ without the edge. So it's really down to the Note5 or the V10, or bite the bullet and hang on to my S4 until March and see if the S7 is better. Any thoughts/recommendations based on experience with the V10? Thanks.

I hope this isn't a stupid question: isn't the Note5 basically a S6+ without the edge?
 
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