AP: Elisabeth Smart Found Alive

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Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Aceshigh
I definitely believe there is more to this than meets the eye. It isn't like this girl is a 4 or 5 year old child. This was a 14 year old girl. There is no way you could kidnap a 14 year old and hold them this long without completely isolating them in a dark hole somewhere, tied and bound. 14-15 year olds are young adults, they have cognitive reasoning. If she were kidnapped it's a pretty safe bet she would not have been found out in the open like she was. It looks very much like she was willingly in his company.
Yeah I'm sure hanging out with a Homeless Vagrant who has delusions of being a prophet was very appealing to her.
 
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Originally posted by: Aceshigh
I definitely believe there is more to this than meets the eye. It isn't like this girl is a 4 or 5 year old child. This was a 14 year old girl. There is no way you could kidnap a 14 year old and hold them this long without completely isolating them in a dark hole somewhere, tied and bound. 14-15 year olds are young adults, they have cognitive reasoning. If she were kidnapped it's a pretty safe bet she would not have been found out in the open like she was. It looks very much like she was willingly in his company.

i think something is weird...gonna wait till more facts are available...unless she was bound or the guy always had a gun on him there should have been something...

 

Alienwho

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Wow too many replies to read, but here is my comment:

I find it disgusting how now suddenly on the news all these people are coming out saying "yeah i saw them last week and i called the cops and they didn't do nothing about it! doy!" And all these idiots itching for a piece of the reward pie.
 

rahvin

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Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: Storm
Originally posted by: Grasshopper27
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Hurting a kid is, to me, just about the worst thing a person can do. People who do that should be executed by the most painful manner possible and then they can rot in hell for eternity for all I care.
Amen...

I've been listening to Elizabeth's aunt talking on MSNBC and I've been crying... It is just so heartbreaking and heartwarming... I can't imagine the emotions that they are feeling today!

I'm so glad she was found alive. Now put that scumbag into prison with a bunch of murderers. They do NOT like child molsters...

Hopper

You are too eager to jump to the conclusions. We do not know what else if anything he did to the girl. We do not know if in Utah the deathpenalty is a form of punishment for kidnapping.

Utah will not be trying this case. The Feds will have jurisdiction. Neither the feds nor Utah have a death penalty punishment for kidnapping... UNLESS the victim or someone else dies during the crime.

Being that the crime occured in utah and the perpetrator was apprehended in utah and there is currently no allegation of transportation across state lines the fed's have no jurisdiction and it will in fact be a state case. Given the family orriented nature of Utah I expect he will get a VERY harsh punishment and will be very very unpopular in the state's prison.
 

Storm

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The news conference didnt spill any details for obvious reasons. There has been no information on whether or not she has been molested or raped.
 

Tiger

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Not to be a full on prick about this good news, but do you suppose her father has had a change of mind about letting scumbags off the street work for him around the house?
 

Storm

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Originally posted by: Tiger
Not to be a full on prick about this good news, but do you suppose her father has had a change of mind about letting scumbags off the street work for him around the house?

Oh yea I dont see why he wouldnt. I'm sure they are well off finanicially to hire better people who aren't vagabonds.
 

amexblue

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It is really a great day for the Smart family.
I do not think the real thing ( what has happened) will see the light. The family is very rich and will cover up everything.
 

rahvin

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Originally posted by: Tiger
Not to be a full on prick about this good news, but do you suppose her father has had a change of mind about letting scumbags off the street work for him around the house?

His actions were noble and were what I would consider good christian behavior. Rather than handing out money he tried to help poor people advance their own position. The fact that these nobel actions harmed him isn't in doubt, but to make him out to be an idiot for trying to help people just makes you look like an asshat.
 

Storm

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Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: Tiger
Not to be a full on prick about this good news, but do you suppose her father has had a change of mind about letting scumbags off the street work for him around the house?

His actions were noble and were what I would consider good christian behavior. Rather than handing out money he tried to help poor people advance their own position. The fact that these nobel actions harmed him isn't in doubt, but to make him out to be an idiot for trying to help people just makes you look like an asshat.

Really thats interesting...
 

Sepen

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Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: Tiger
Not to be a full on prick about this good news, but do you suppose her father has had a change of mind about letting scumbags off the street work for him around the house?

His actions were noble and were what I would consider good christian behavior. Rather than handing out money he tried to help poor people advance their own position. The fact that these nobel actions harmed him isn't in doubt, but to make him out to be an idiot for trying to help people just makes you look like an asshat.

Amen to that!

 

Sundog

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Originally posted by: Sepen
Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: Tiger
Not to be a full on prick about this good news, but do you suppose her father has had a change of mind about letting scumbags off the street work for him around the house?

His actions were noble and were what I would consider good christian behavior. Rather than handing out money he tried to help poor people advance their own position. The fact that these nobel actions harmed him isn't in doubt, but to make him out to be an idiot for trying to help people just makes you look like an asshat.

Amen to that!

 

Mill

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Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: Storm
Originally posted by: Grasshopper27
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Hurting a kid is, to me, just about the worst thing a person can do. People who do that should be executed by the most painful manner possible and then they can rot in hell for eternity for all I care.
Amen...

I've been listening to Elizabeth's aunt talking on MSNBC and I've been crying... It is just so heartbreaking and heartwarming... I can't imagine the emotions that they are feeling today!

I'm so glad she was found alive. Now put that scumbag into prison with a bunch of murderers. They do NOT like child molsters...

Hopper

You are too eager to jump to the conclusions. We do not know what else if anything he did to the girl. We do not know if in Utah the deathpenalty is a form of punishment for kidnapping.

Utah will not be trying this case. The Feds will have jurisdiction. Neither the feds nor Utah have a death penalty punishment for kidnapping... UNLESS the victim or someone else dies during the crime.

Being that the crime occured in utah and the perpetrator was apprehended in utah and there is currently no allegation of transportation across state lines the fed's have no jurisdiction and it will in fact be a state case. Given the family orriented nature of Utah I expect he will get a VERY harsh punishment and will be very very unpopular in the state's prison.

Being that you don't read a thread before posting I will help you out:

From CNN: Smart family spokesman Chris Thomas said, "My understanding is that she camped a fair amount of that time. She also traveled around the country to different places. I believe Ed mentioned San Diego."

She WAS transported across state lines and it WILL be a Federal Case.
 

Mill

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Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: tec699
Originally posted by: cHeeZeFacTory
what was the motive again?

This perve wanted some hot young tail. He wanted to get his rocks off.

Why else would he rape her.



:Q

There have been no allegations yet that she was sexually abused.
 
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