Apparently there's a thing about radios in cars.

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AM or not AM? Carmakers mull the future of radio

ABC|2 hours ago
ABC News' Jason Nathanson spoke to "Start Here" about the controversy over Ford's decision to remove AM radio and its change of plans after pushback.



Who knew? I cant remember the last time I had a radio on in a car. I'm not sure it even works in either car. Maybe they shouldm just delete them and if a person wants one, they can buy aftermarket.
 

BoomerD

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I don't remember the last time I listened to broadcast radio in my car/truck. SiriusXM or CD (back when they still put those things in vehicles)
 
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lxskllr

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I almost always use radio. Never am though. I should scan the dial some time and see if there's anything good.
 

Jimminy

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I almost always use radio. Never am though. I should scan the dial some time and see if there's anything good.
There's nothing there but talk radio, mostly fundamentalist christian, or right wing wacko/conspiracy/nutjob stuff.

Might be good to listen when you're having trouble getting asleep.
 
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MrSquished

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There's nothing there but talk radio, mostly fundamentalist christian, or right wing wacko/conspiracy/nutjob stuff.

Might be good to listen when you're having trouble getting asleep.

My good buddy who has driven around this country many times by now said if you put on the AM radio on in the south or in texas or what not, pretty much when you get outside of a big city's limits, shit gets reallly fucking scary really fucking fast on AM radio. Like frightening if you are a somewhat rational and decent human being that is.
 
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pete6032

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I listen to the radio all the time. Much easier than trying to use a streaming option, even with Android Auto support. Don't like the song? Turn the nob for something instantly different.

The biggest issue I see with dropping AM radio is limited airspace on FM in major metro areas. I wonder if the FCC could somehow expand FM bands to accommodate more stations.
 

nakedfrog

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I listen to the radio all the time. Much easier than trying to use a streaming option, even with Android Auto support. Don't like the song? Turn the nob for something instantly different.

The biggest issue I see with dropping AM radio is limited airspace on FM in major metro areas. I wonder if the FCC could somehow expand FM bands to accommodate more stations.
When I was in a rental with Sirius XM it was a challenge to find anything good on the radio. Plus there's too much time when something other than music is coming out, be it people talking or ads.
One of my cars has a USB port that I plug a flash drive into, the other one takes an SD card. Put it on random and I'm good to go. Just have to take them in the house to put new music on every once in a while as I discover it.
 

lxskllr

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There's nothing there but talk radio, mostly fundamentalist christian, or right wing wacko/conspiracy/nutjob stuff.

Might be good to listen when you're having trouble getting asleep.
I had a truck once with am only radio, and I found a cool bigband jazz station I could get pretty much everywhere I traveled. I was super happy with that, so they of course changed formats literally a week after I found it :^D I forget what it changed to, but it wasn't anything I was interested in.
 

Jimminy

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it wasn't anything I was interested in.

Probably Pat Robertson screaming about evil democrats and the end times.

Many years ago KOMA was a good clear channel station. I think the days of decent AM radio are gone now. They all have an axe to grind.
 

WhiteNoise

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I listen to radio in my car and its only AM. I rarely listen to FM. If I listen to music im streaming it, and if the radio is on, Im listening to news radio. I love AM radio.
 

MtnMan

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I'm old enough that I owned several vehicles with only an AM radio, and that was an option over no radio. Didn't have A/C either.

Then got an early 70s with AM/FM, and A/C
 

WelshBloke

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I listen to the radio all the time. Much easier than trying to use a streaming option, even with Android Auto support. Don't like the song? Turn the nob for something instantly different.

The biggest issue I see with dropping AM radio is limited airspace on FM in major metro areas. I wonder if the FCC could somehow expand FM bands to accommodate more stations.
No DAB? That has good quality and seems to have room for a bazillion stations.
 

pete6032

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No DAB? That has good quality and seems to have room for a bazillion stations.
We don't have that in the U.S. We do have satellite radio, do you have that? Its a much higher fidelity radio with tons of stations but you have to pay a monthly fee for it and you have to have a special receiver in your vehicle to get it.
 

WelshBloke

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We don't have that in the U.S. We do have satellite radio, do you have that? Its a much higher fidelity radio with tons of stations but you have to pay a monthly fee for it and you have to have a special receiver in your vehicle to get it.
No idea about the satellite radio, although I can't see Brits paying for radio. I've never heard about it.
 

pete6032

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No idea about the satellite radio, although I can't see Brits paying for radio. I've never heard about it.
I found this:
DAB digital radio is a terrestrial-based system, which means the services are broadcast on a number of multiplexes across the country with capacity for a certain number of services. These multiplexes are broadcast in different areas/regions via many transmitters across the UK. For DAB, the selection of stations you receive will depend on where you live. DAB radio is free to listen to.

Satellite radio is a digital radio signal that is broadcast by a communications satellite, which tends to cover a wider geographical range than terrestrial radio signals. However this service is often subscription based and consumers have to pay to listen to it. In areas with a relatively high population density, it is easier and less expensive to reach the bulk of the population with terrestrial broadcasts. Thus in the UK and elsewhere in the world, we have focused on DAB rather than satellite radio.

So basically the US is much bigger in size so it is more difficult to implement DAB than in smaller countries. I don't know many people who have satellite radio. It typically costs between $10 and $20 per month. People who drive across the country like it since they can listen to the same station. If you're listening to regular radio here and drive more than 90 miles you end up losing the signal.
 
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NutBucket

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We do the HD Radio in metro areas.

IMHO I've never been impressed with the quality of XM. Sounds like a 96kbps stream to me. FM is still best when the station has a decent engineer.
 
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mindless1

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Well I may be biased, because I was an engineer at a metro FM radio station, but I listen to FM in my normal cruise radius (usually not the station I worked for, though it was an oldies station and as I get older, the content gets more recent, contemporary to my generation so I get into it more) , then on longer trips outside the broadcast radius, have a large digital collection on a mSD card rather than streaming.

I wouldn't miss AM but I do understand the issue with emergency broadcasts. It's been a long time since we've needed them and I hope we never do, but it seems a minor thing to continue including AM tuning considering all the other crap features now on new vehicles that keeps creeping cost up far more than AM radio capability.

Don't get me wrong, if you want that crap features on your vehicle, a free market should be able to provide it. At the same time, I don't want things mandated that I have to pay for because someone incompetent at driving, becomes a statistic that makes the feature seem important for the *average* (lower common denominator) driver. !@#$ statistics!

It's not just the added cost but also when these subsystems fail later, which is not only added cost but also a period where people develop a false sense of dependence on safety measures and become lax in the attentiveness that would make them irrelevant. If they save lives then it's a good thing, but it might be an even better thing to making getting a driver's license require more thorough testing, and retesting every so often.

[/rant] The difference is that AM radio tuning comes at very low cost and tends to keep working as long as your (now) all-integrated head unit with FM tuning does.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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Of course I mostly would listen only to FM. But I exclusively use the digital radio receiver in my old Trooper to play my music library on a USB thumb drive. That 1995 digital receiver is configured to get BlueTooth through its cassette deck. A dash-mounted tablet holds the music library, gives me Google Maps voice recog and voice nav, and provides the backup camera view with night vision. I could only find use in NPR broadcasts -- I don't need radio music from FM stations.

For the rest of it, I don't know if I can keep up anymore. The Trooper is 28 years old and consumes more gasoline than I would like. I expect it to get through smog-test in December without fail. If I buy a newer vehicle I'll be able to pay cash outright for it in about two years. OR -- I'll put enough cash down on the vehicle that the remaining car-mortgage won't present budgetary problems for my income stream.

But not something I'm eager to do at 75 years of age. Will they let me drive in five or ten years? Who can say . . . .
 

BurnItDwn

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I think AM is probably still more useful for news/emergency type situations, especially when driving through middle of nowhere type places.
Don't AM signals broadcast at a greater range then FM radio per watt of power? I'm not sure. Maybe Im thinking AM emergency broadcasts only because thats how its been done in the past and in movies.
 

Hail The Brain Slug

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Can't speak for the rest of the country but adverse driving news/warnings/condition updates are done on AM radio on the west coast. I usually drive when conditions are good but have tuned in for updates a few times.

I imagine people that travel in the winter/snow/etc probably use this all the time.
 
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