Apple v. Samsung Jury Decision.

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Puddle Jumper

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Actually no. Unless you can prove he is specifically biased for or against Apple or Samsung, there is no conflict of interest. His experience can actually make him a better jury member. The assumption would be that he can make a better informed decision on a patent case.

The fact that he is a patent troll isn't enough?
 

abaez

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Obviously the prior art that was shown wasn't substantially similar enough to warrant a discussion or Samsung didn't prove it well enough. Which is why they skipped it.

Read the quote again.

After we debated that first patent — what was prior art — because we had a hard time believing there was no prior art, that there wasn't something out there before Apple. In fact we skipped that one so we could go on faster. It was bogging us down.

They actually could not believe that there wasn't prior art. But instead of looking into the prior art validity, they completely skipped doing that. They did not even decide whether or not it was similar enough, or whether it was proven or not. They just skipped it.

Do you really not see an issue with this?
 

Mopetar

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Here's the abstract:


If you honestly and truly believe that this is not covered by the video and/or prior art then there's no convincing you.

An abstract merely provides a brief description of the patent. If you actually believe the patent to be invalid, you need to address its claims and point out how those already exist based on prior art. Also keep in mind that a patent doesn't cover an idea, merely an implementation of it. So you'd need to show that Apple's implementation is the same (or highly similar to) existing implementations. I'd have to look over the patents myself (along with existing multitouch implementations) in order to determine how they work, but if this is just about gestures, then I'd agree that you can't patent pinching to zoom, or double tapping; maybe some algorithms related to detecting those gestures, but even that's pushing it unless they're exceptionally novel.
 

VashHT

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It's pretty strange that the nexus s is on that list and they awarded damages for it. I wonder if Apple would try to use it as a stepping stone to go after stock android.
 

BladeVenom

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When another company puts your invention into mass production several years before you "invent it", yes that makes you a troll.

I agree that doesn't make him a patent troll, but I think it might make him biased towards a patent holder who claims infringement.

Was his patent ownership known before he was selected for the jury?
 

exdeath

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BRB, filing a patent on the wheel and the lever. Don't let that judge and those jurors go anywhere until I get there.
 

Zaap

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Galaxy Nexus was temporarily banned not for looking like an iPhone but for unified search.

http://gizmodo.com/5922519/apple-convinces-the-courts-to-block-the-galaxy-nexus
Her quote:

Koh found that the Nexus is "no more than colorably different" and, as such, infringes on Apple's "slide to unlock" patent.

The Nexus and its features are a lot more than "colorably different" than the iPhone. It's an example of the Judge's bias, and obvious tech-cluelessness.

Apple's slide to unlock patent is ridiculous, as well as unified search. Apple didn't invent any of these things and should have no business dictating to others. Again, just another example of how Apple has managed to abuse the patent system.

In July, Apple's lawyers said: “It’s no coincidence that Samsung’s latest products look a lot like the iPhone and iPad, from the shape of the hardware to the user interface and even the packaging,”

So all the usual suspects can stop their pretending that no one has claimed during these suits that no one has claimed the LATEST phones (the Nexus and SGS3) look like the iPhone. They didn't say Samsung's PAST products. It's an outright lie that the Nexus or any of Samsung's latest phones look like the iPhone.

What's actually being claimed and what the cheerleaders want to pretend is being claimed are as usual two different things.

So Apple should put themselves at a disadvantage in their court cases? What type of logic is that?
So if it's such a sure thing that Apple's in the right, why is being tried in a court other than one in their backyard, with a judge that's already ruled in their favor "a disadvantage"?
 

Zaap

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BRB, filing a patent on the wheel and the lever. Don't let that judge and those jurors go anywhere until I get there.
No one's going anywhere. I just got my patent for "turn key to unlock." Now everyone has to pay me if they want to leave from anywhere.
 

Phokus

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Judge Koh is a complete retard. Wish this was handled by Judge Posner instead. It's amazing that Apple lost in European courts but won here. What an embarrassment for our legal system. Can't wait until Apple has to put up on it's UK website that Samsung didn't copy them.
 
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Judge Koh is a complete retard. Wish this was handled by Judge Posner instead. It's amazing that Apple lost in European courts but won here. What an embarrassment for our legal system. Can't wait until Apple has to put up on it's UK website that Samsung didn't copy them.
Samsung won in UK lost in Germany. But of course to you that means the won in European courts. LOL. The point is this issue isn't as black & white as you'd like to paint it.
 

MrX8503

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http://gizmodo.com/5922519/apple-convinces-the-courts-to-block-the-galaxy-nexus
Her quote:



The Nexus and its features are a lot more than "colorably different" than the iPhone. It's an example of the Judge's bias, and obvious tech-cluelessness.

Apple's slide to unlock patent is ridiculous, as well as unified search. Apple didn't invent any of these things and should have no business dictating to others. Again, just another example of how Apple has managed to abuse the patent system.

Unified search
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/29/apple-lands-preliminary-ban-against-samsung-galaxy-nexus/

Some serious crying going on. Apple owns patents, get over it until they're invalidated.
 
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Timorous

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Samsung won in UK lost in Germany. But of course to you that means the won in European courts. LOL. The point is this issue isn't as black & white as you'd like to paint it.

In the UK the only patent that stood was bounce back but that was limited in scope. Samsung then argued that Apples claims caused material harm so the judge ordered Apple to print a statement in the media states Samsung did not copy. They also have to have this statement on their website for 6 but the ruling is currently under appeal though so we will see if holds. Here is the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18895384.

Sorry I completely misread your post so you can ignore this.
 
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MrX8503

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In the UK the only patent that stood was bounce back but that was limited in scope. Samsung then argued that Apples claims caused material harm so the judge ordered Apple to print a statement in the media states Samsung did not copy. They also have to have this statement on their website for 6 but the ruling is currently under appeal though so we will see if holds. Here is the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18895384.

What does this have to do with Germany?
 

abaez

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This tweet pretty much sums it up

The measure of Apple's achievement: what was unimaginable in 2006 now seems so obvious that people claim Apple should have no patents.

Multi-touch seen at TED in 2006, unimaginable before Apple patented it. Rounded icons in 2006? Never before seen in history and unimaginable before 2006.

Slide to unlock? Already ruled as trivial in Europe due to prior art, unimaginable before Apple patented it.
 

MrX8503

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Multi-touch seen at TED in 2006, unimaginable before Apple patented it. Rounded icons in 2006? Never before seen in history and unimaginable before 2006.

Slide to unlock? Already ruled as trivial in Europe due to prior art, unimaginable before Apple patented it.

Which of those technologies were in mass production before the iPhone?
 

BoberFett

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Unified search
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/29/apple-lands-preliminary-ban-against-samsung-galaxy-nexus/

Some serious crying going on. Apple owns patents, get over it until they're invalidated.

This tweet pretty much sums it up

The measure of Apple's achievement: what was unimaginable in 2006 now seems so obvious that people claim Apple should have no patents.

Back around 2000 I was the lead software developer for a company that produced legal research software. I designed an interface that searched both local content and web content and comingled the results. It's a pretty obvious concept to anyone who isn't an idiot. I can understand why Apple fanatics believe Apple invented it.
 

MotionMan

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Back around 2000 I was the lead software developer for a company that produced legal research software. I designed an interface that searched both local content and web content and comingled the results. It's a pretty obvious concept to anyone who isn't an idiot. I can understand why Apple fanatics believe Apple invented it.

Did you patent it?

MotionMan
 

MrX8503

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So, in your opinion, it has to be mass produced in order to be legit?

Not by itself. None of the prior art has been patented nor has invalidated Apple's patents. There's no use complaining when the patents have not been invalidated.
 
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