Are all proteins made equally ?

[z1ggy]

I have been doing the p90x/ insanity work outs now for a while. They each stress the importance of a recovery drink afterward. Now I never got their brand, but I instead drank the Syntha-6 protein after work outs as my post work out drink. I have been discovering that after a work out, I often feel dizzy/sick like I may vomit. I thought perhaps it was just because I worked really hard and that was it...maybe even just dehydrated. I have not been drinking it after work outs lately and I now feel fine. So do you think it is that brand/type of protein that upsets my body?? If so.. what else should I try? I think I am going to try soy protein that my g/f said she used to drink after she worked out. Also, if that does not work, would eating 1-2 chicken breast, or even some fish fillet be the same thing as the stuff one may buy at GNC?? Thank you for reading this post and your replies.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

A lot of people get nauseous while taking in any kinds of nutrients after a hard workout. It could just even be the flavor. Find something that works - if you can't find a tame whey protein to use, just eat a meal. Wait 30-60min either way. That will optimize your body's use of the amino acids and your stomach will be more receptive to food (due to lower sympathetic tone).

 

[z1ggy]

A lot of people get nauseous while taking in any kinds of nutrients after a hard workout. It could just even be the flavor. Find something that works - if you can't find a tame whey protein to use, just eat a meal. Wait 30-60min either way. That will optimize your body's use of the amino acids and your stomach will be more receptive to food (due to lower sympathetic tone).

I have tried Syntha-6 vanilla, and chocolate.. both make me feel kind of sick afterward. I have yet to try the EAS soy protein, but I did have some eggs after my last workout (insanity cardio power) and I felt okay.

Will I get less muscle/fitness gains if I don't take the "fancy" Syntha-6 as opposed to eating regular protein (chicken, fish, eggs, etc) ??

 

[SociallyChallenged]

I have tried Syntha-6 vanilla, and chocolate.. both make me feel kind of sick afterward. I have yet to try the EAS soy protein, but I did have some eggs after my last workout (insanity cardio power) and I felt okay.

Will I get less muscle/fitness gains if I don't take the "fancy" Syntha-6 as opposed to eating regular protein (chicken, fish, eggs, etc) ??

Nope, you won't get less gains. Especially at novice to intermediate levels, as long as you get enough protein in general, you'll be recovering quite well. Whey protein has a lot of research backing it, but there's not a whole lot comparing to normal food intake. Most research I've read comparing the two (with same amounts of overall protein taken in) have shown no real difference in protein synthesis.

 

[wahdangun]

I have been doing the p90x/ insanity work outs now for a while. They each stress the importance of a recovery drink afterward. Now I never got their brand, but I instead drank the Syntha-6 protein after work outs as my post work out drink. I have been discovering that after a work out, I often feel dizzy/sick like I may vomit. I thought perhaps it was just because I worked really hard and that was it...maybe even just dehydrated. I have not been drinking it after work outs lately and I now feel fine. So do you think it is that brand/type of protein that upsets my body?? If so.. what else should I try? I think I am going to try soy protein that my g/f said she used to drink after she worked out. Also, if that does not work, would eating 1-2 chicken breast, or even some fish fillet be the same thing as the stuff one may buy at GNC?? Thank you for reading this post and your replies.

maybe your blood need more sugar, I usually like you but after I drink whey + 4 table spoon of sugar, and drink it every 2 set, I never feel dizzy again, I even feel more energy

 

[JL514]

I like the syntha-6 cookies and cream & chocolate peanutbutter cup, but to each his own. Do not use soy protein, as it has estrogenic compounds that scientific studies are conflicted about whether or not they increase estrogen in males. I wouldn't take that chance.

 

[JL514]

Also, typical post workout (PWO) drinks should have a balance of all the macro nutrients (carb, fat, protein) to immediately restore your reserves. Typical proteins obviously don't satisfy this need, and even when mixed with milk can be lacking. A lot of people get fruit flavored protein for PWO and mix it in actual juice. Chocolate whole milk is also popular as a PWO drink.

 

[Howard]

Or maybe you're getting used to the intensity and now your body doesn't get all tweaky and shit. How long have you been doing it? I know when I take a break from working out for a while, when I jump back in my body complains very loudly in many ways.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

maybe your blood need more sugar, I usually like you but after I drink whey + 4 table spoon of sugar, and drink it every 2 set, I never feel dizzy again, I even feel more energy

Woah, that's way, way, way too much sugar. You don't need any sugar while weightlifting to feel normal. There's something else going on that's inducing dizziness. Like I've said in other threads recently, you can't get truly hypoglycemic (low blood sugar) without injecting yourself with insulin.

 

[wahdangun]

Woah, that's way, way, way too much sugar. You don't need any sugar while weightlifting to feel normal. There's something else going on that's inducing dizziness. Like I've said in other threads recently, you can't get truly hypoglycemic (low blood sugar) without injecting yourself with insulin.

btw I have read muscle insider in other day and your brain actually need glucose to work optimal, so maybe training hard (and after the fact that I go to the GYM for 6 days a week) draining my glucose to the level critical and make my head feel dizzy, and actually my wight is stuck to 65kilos for years, I don't know why?? can anyone explain it? its really frustrating sometimes

 

[SociallyChallenged]

btw I have read muscle insider in other day and your brain actually need glucose to work optimal, so maybe training hard (and after the fact that I go to the GYM for 6 days a week) draining my glucose to the level critical and make my head feel dizzy, and actually my wight is stuck to 65kilos for years, I don't know why?? can anyone explain it? its really frustrating sometimes

Your brain does run of glucose, but your body has several days worth stored in your liver and muscle. On top of that, SUGAR is glucose AND fructose. Fructose is being linked to some pretty bad things in research - obesity, increased cholesterol, increased blood pressure, etc. Sugar = sucrose, not glucose. You don't need that, especially if you're just lifting. Like I've said before, if you're an endurance athlete, then carbs are very much so your friend. If you're not, then eating a lot of them is completely unnecessary. Btw, please please please don't get your advice from muscle magazines. They have no idea what they're talking about 90% of the time.

 

[JL514]

and FYI, your brain does run just fine w/o glucose. When you don't eat many sugars or carbs your body breaks down fats and proteins and your brain uses ketones for energy. Ketones are ok for brain food.

They are definitely lower energy though. Ketones do not have enough energy to start and sustain "brain explosions" like seizures, and epileptics are typically put on a ketogenic diet (KD).

 

[Chuvalo]

I have been doing the p90x/ insanity work outs now for a while. They each stress the importance of a recovery drink afterward. Now I never got their brand, but I instead drank the Syntha-6 protein after work outs as my post work out drink. I have been discovering that after a work out, I often feel dizzy/sick like I may vomit. I thought perhaps it was just because I worked really hard and that was it...maybe even just dehydrated. I have not been drinking it after work outs lately and I now feel fine. So do you think it is that brand/type of protein that upsets my body?? If so.. what else should I try? I think I am going to try soy protein that my g/f said she used to drink after she worked out. Also, if that does not work, would eating 1-2 chicken breast, or even some fish fillet be the same thing as the stuff one may buy at GNC?? Thank you for reading this post and your replies.

Do you do P90X daily, every second day?

How many hours between your P90X sessions - 24 hours , significantly less than 24 hours ? 48 hours ?

 

[deedubbadoo]

The P90X recovery drink is loaded down with sugar, it also doesn't contain very much protein. What I have been doing, is mixing my scoop of protein (I use Optimum Nutrition 100% whey) and a couple scoops of Xtend by Scivation. That way I get my protein and my branch chain amino acids directly after my workout. I will occasionally put some Xtend in my water during Plyometrics, as that workout just kills me. I'm starting Phase 3 on Monday, and I can definitely see results.

 

[z1ggy]

I like the syntha-6 cookies and cream & chocolate peanutbutter cup, but to each his own. Do not use soy protein, as it has estrogenic compounds that scientific studies are conflicted about whether or not they increase estrogen in males. I wouldn't take that chance.

Why would it do that??? So far after 3 work outs drinking the EAS soy mix, I have felt completely fine. Would it be better than to just eat two chicken breasts afterward then with some fruit??

Also to answer another post, I have a pretty tight schedule, so generally I was doing the P90 every other day.

Also Pre workout I have been drinking superpump 250 max, but that has not been a variable as I still felt dizzy using syntha-6, but not the EAS soy protein.

 

[killster1]

dont think ive ever felt dizy with out spinning around, you prob are not drinking enough water..

i dont think you really need alot of pre work out drinks and after work outs like socially challenged said only extreme athletes need the special drinks and stuff and that a good diet should give you enough protein. I eat his recommended tunafish sandwich and milk for protein for lunch on days i lift weights. Of course i know nothing and just play it by ear never feel dizzy tho..

However im sure there are some diabetic people that will feel something when low sugar.. maybe you should get a blood test done since being dizzy doesnt sound to healthy.

 

[Zen0]

I have tried Syntha-6 vanilla, and chocolate.. both make me feel kind of sick afterward. I have yet to try the EAS soy protein, but I did have some eggs after my last workout (insanity cardio power) and I felt okay.

Will I get less muscle/fitness gains if I don't take the "fancy" Syntha-6 as opposed to eating regular protein (chicken, fish, eggs, etc) ??

Promax bars - this is the best recommendation you will ever get. They are super tasty and soft and chewy, about 260 calories for 20g of protein.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Promax bars - this is the best recommendation you will ever get. They are super tasty and soft and chewy, about 260 calories for 20g of protein.

Er, that's an obnoxiously low amount of protein for the calories. 80cal from protein out of 260? How can anyone even call that a protein bar?

 

[TanisHalfElven]

I recommend HEB mootopia choclate milk. 12 g protien for 150 cals is a pretty good ratio. Tastes awesome.

Other than that i usually go with ONs whey cuz its the cheapest protein i'm comfortable with. Delivious too if you choose the right flavors.

 

[JL514]

Why would it do that??? So far after 3 work outs drinking the EAS soy mix, I have felt completely fine. Would it be better than to just eat two chicken breasts afterward then with some fruit??

Also to answer another post, I have a pretty tight schedule, so generally I was doing the P90 every other day.

Also Pre workout I have been drinking superpump 250 max, but that has not been a variable as I still felt dizzy using syntha-6, but not the EAS soy protein.

because it has phytoestrogens in it. read here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soy_protein

and yes, of course you will always be better eating natural protein sources. Your protein intake should not be greater than 50% from synthetic sources anyway. It's just easier to have a shake and cheaper too usually.

 

[Zen0]

Er, that's an obnoxiously low amount of protein for the calories. 80cal from protein out of 260? How can anyone even call that a protein bar?

It's a lot of sugar, and thus its tastiness.

But the Carbs are good for after a workout. They are more like meal replacement or energy bars.

 

[Zen0]

because it has phytoestrogens in it. read here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soy_protein

and yes, of course you will always be better eating natural protein sources. Your protein intake should not be greater than 50% from synthetic sources anyway. It's just easier to have a shake and cheaper too usually.

A recent study by Goodin et al. found that 56g of soy protein powder per day caused serum testosterone to fall 4% in four weeks in a test group of twelve healthy males. (Note that there was an error in the abstract that said 19%, and this figure was erroneously reported by the media. The article reports 4% and not 19%. See the following Web site for a more complete analysis of this study and the error in its abstract: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_9_25/ai_n27410483.) According to the study, this data supports further studies of these hormonal effects as a mechanism in prostate cancer prevention. [20] However, a study conducted by the Miami Research Associates refutes the finding of the Goodin study, finding that soy protein had no significant impact on testosterone levels in healthy males. [21] In fact, only one participant in the Goodin study actually saw a drop in testosterone. The participant in question had testosterone levels 200% higher than all of the other subjects, and during the study, his levels dropped to bring him in line with the other participants. The Goodin study did not conclusively suggest that the participant's erratic testosterone levels were related to the soy protein.

I think either way, it makes no difference unless you are consuming a massive amount of it, which may make no difference anyway.

I hate the taste of Soy Milk and generally avoid soy products (except soy sauce). Sometimes they put soy protein in energy bars or protein shakes, which doesn't bother me as long as it is just a portion of a mix of whey and casein.

 

[z1ggy]

A recent study by Goodin et al. found that 56g of soy protein powder per day caused serum testosterone to fall 4% in four weeks in a test group of twelve healthy males. (Note that there was an error in the abstract that said 19%, and this figure was erroneously reported by the media. The article reports 4% and not 19%. See the following Web site for a more complete analysis of this study and the error in its abstract: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_9_25/ai_n27410483.) According to the study, this data supports further studies of these hormonal effects as a mechanism in prostate cancer prevention. [20] However, a study conducted by the Miami Research Associates refutes the finding of the Goodin study, finding that soy protein had no significant impact on testosterone levels in healthy males. [21] In fact, only one participant in the Goodin study actually saw a drop in testosterone. The participant in question had testosterone levels 200% higher than all of the other subjects, and during the study, his levels dropped to bring him in line with the other participants. The Goodin study did not conclusively suggest that the participant's erratic testosterone levels were related to the soy protein.

I think either way, it makes no difference unless you are consuming a massive amount of it, which may make no difference anyway.

I hate the taste of Soy Milk and generally avoid soy products (except soy sauce). Sometimes they put soy protein in energy bars or protein shakes, which doesn't bother me as long as it is just a portion of a mix of whey and casein.

Interesting findings. Well, I actually liek the soy EAS formula, bc it's only 160 calories, and gives you 20g of protein per serving. It also mixes very well with water, unlike the Synta-6 which was very chunky and almost made me gag to drink it. If I mixed with milf, it was almost too heavy for my stomach to handle, b/c I was prob taking in almost 30g of protein in only a few minutes. I think for now I will stick to 2 soy shakes a day, and then some chicken, fish or other natural protein for lunch. I also heard from a guy I used to train muy thai with, (who extremely jacked and ripped) that he consumed his PW protein with a serving of fruit. He said this helped his body take the protein in faster, thus somehow causing him to be extremely jacked. Personally, he was prob on roids, but he was clearly doing something right..

 

[SociallyChallenged]

because it has phytoestrogens in it. read here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soy_protein

and yes, of course you will always be better eating natural protein sources. Your protein intake should not be greater than 50% from synthetic sources anyway. It's just easier to have a shake and cheaper too usually.

Like Zeno posted, there actually hasn't been much research to prove one way or the other. Most research I've read shows that 40-50g of soy protein can be consumed each day without significantly affecting estrogen or testosterone levels in men.

 

[Pantlegz]

should you also consider Amino Acid profiles of proteins?