Are Asians the new Jews?

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0roo0roo

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When some "Hitler-esque" dictator starts forming concentration camps for Asians...you can try again to make the comparison.


I have no problem with quotas for minority students in public (state) schools such as the UC system. No one group should be able to monopolize the school population. Not whites, not Asians, not Jews.

Private schools can set their own policies as they see fit.

It was worse for asians than jews in the us. Asian americans couldn't own land or vote long after even black people were given those rights.
For instance it wasn't until freakin 1952 that asian immigrants could own land in california http://www.goldsea.com/AAD/Milestones/milestones2.html
 

tyler811

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Jews are more defined by ethnicity.. I think. You can not easily "become" a Jew, I think you have to born as one.


Saying you have to be born a jew is saying you have to born a Muslim or Christian.

Judiasm is a religion People not a race. No I am not Jewish

Are Jews a Race?


In the 1980s, the United States Supreme Court ruled that Jews are a race, at least for purposes of certain anti-discrimination laws. Their reasoning: at the time these laws were passed, people routinely spoke of the "Jewish race" or the "Italian race" as well as the "Negro race," so that is what the legislators intended to protect.
But many Jews were deeply offended by that decision, offended by any hint that Jews could be considered a race. The idea of Jews as a race brings to mind nightmarish visions of Nazi Germany, where Jews were declared to be not just a race, but an inferior race that had to be rounded up into ghettos and exterminated like vermin.
But setting aside the emotional issues, Jews are clearly not a race.
Race is a genetic distinction, and refers to people with shared ancestry and shared genetic traits. You can't change your race; it's in your DNA. I could never become black or Asian no matter how much I might want to. Common ancestry is not required to be a Jew. Many Jews worldwide share common ancestry, as shown by genetic research; however, you can be a Jew without sharing this common ancestry, for example, by converting. Thus, although I could never become black or Asian, blacks and Asians have become Jews (Sammy Davis Jr. and Connie Chung).

http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm
 
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MJinZ

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UGH Did you really say that............Well yes you did.

Saying you have to be born a jew is saying you have to born a Muslim or Christian.

Judiasm is a religion People not a race Sheesh take about your inbred ignorance. No I am not Jewish



http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm

Well, perhaps you should read more about Judaism instead of calling others "ignorant". I am well aware that one can "convert", but it is both uncommon and not easy. To be Jewish ethnically is to have blood ties to the biblical figures. Of course, people get converted and become incorporated into the bloodlines throughout the centuries, so the line becomes less clear.

As far as I have always known Jewish people (living in Manhattan), being Jewish is just about a tad more ethnic than religious, though obviously the latter is hugely important.
 

MJinZ

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lol really? QFP

does chinaman have an inferiority complex?

Awesome comeback! Did you mean Superiority Complex? I get them confused since I tend to have an elevated opinion of myself and irreverent ones of people like you. I think it's pretty telling of what people will say and behave on the internet to the type of person they are in real life. But I will leave it at that.
 

tyler811

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Well, perhaps you should read more about Judaism instead of calling others "ignorant". I am well aware that one can "convert", but it is both uncommon and not easy. To be Jewish ethnically is to have blood ties to the biblical figures. Of course, people get converted and become incorporated into the bloodlines throughout the centuries, so the line becomes less clear.

As far as I have always known Jewish people (living in Manhattan), being Jewish is just about a tad more ethnic than religious, though obviously the latter is hugely important.


You are right about the ignorant comment and I have edited the post. I have though read on Judiasm and at least here in my little corner of the world, Jewish people very much dislike being labeled a race. Anyways again sorry for ignorant comment as it was uncalled for.
 
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Train

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...Jewish people very much dislike being labeled a race...

One of my Jewish friends from college always says "if you think of Jews as a race, then Hitler won"

Made me rethink how I looked at Jews.

Though I have gotten him to admit, that since Jews are more born into it than any other religion, and the fact that for many years Jews only married other Jews, they are SORT OF a race. Though nowadays Jews intermarry with other religions a lot more than they used to (his mom was christian)
 

0roo0roo

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One of my Jewish friends from college always says "if you think of Jews as a race, then Hitler won"

Made me rethink how I looked at Jews.

Though I have gotten him to admit, that since Jews are more born into it than any other religion, and the fact that for many years Jews only married other Jews, they are SORT OF a race. Though nowadays Jews intermarry with other religions a lot more than they used to (his mom was christian)

Thats his personal opinion, i'm sure many disagree with him as well. Like it or not, due to history they are both a race and religion. Mostly the doing of others but it has stuck like it or not. Since the christians didn't even trust forced conversion, they decided the stain was permanent and made their status into a race.
 

JS80

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Awesome comeback! Did you mean Superiority Complex? I get them confused since I tend to have an elevated opinion of myself and irreverent ones of people like you. I think it's pretty telling of what people will say and behave on the internet to the type of person they are in real life. But I will leave it at that.

awww is someone butt hurt?
 

Sadaiyappan

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I'm south asian myself (indian). And I agree that most indians I know that are in the USA come from rich families in India and have college degrees. My dad got a bachelors in India then came here and got a masters here in engineering. Of course -- there do seem to be a lot of indian gas station attendees and indian cab drivers and indian subway sandwhich makers... So maybe it goes both ways and Indians aren't as rich or elite as many of them think they are.
 

NesuD

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I'm feeling the hate and resentment because Asians are so successful in schools and standardized tests.
It's quite similiar to what happened to Jewish people in America. The difference is there are so many more Asians than Jews.
Jews used to be kept out of universities by quota systems. Jews did exceptionally well in schools and on standardized tests. Why? See below:

Wake the fuck up America. Stop glorifying know nothing morons and people who did well without a formal education. My God, for every Bill Gates who got rich without a college education there are millions who didn't. Stop making excuses for dumb politicians by claiming they are "plain spoken". How many plain spoken morons are successful corporate execs? Not many. Recognize that education and brains are a GOOD thing.

So, wise up America. The problem isn't Asian or Jews. The problem lies in your attitudes toward education and your expectations for your childrens education.

Try praising them when they do good on test, as least as much as when they score a touchdown.

Fucking idiot.
 

rchiu

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Gotta blame Asian for the problem. We are the least vocal people in terms of politics. In the US, it's the one yelling the loudest getting all the benefit. We keep quiet, we get rip off, simple as that.
 

zinfamous

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they don't vote. There's a huge conservative Asian population in san francisco. If they would vote they would could change the face and boot out the secular progressive KOOKS over night.

so you'd prefer some sort of Theocracy?

move the fuck to Saudi Arabia or Iran, if this be your wish.

or at least switch the dial over to FM once in a while...
 

Pliablemoose

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so you'd prefer some sort of Theocracy?

move the fuck to Saudi Arabia or Iran, if this be your wish.

or at least switch the dial over to FM once in a while...

Fuck yeah, I agree, Californians should continue to focus on those big issues like declawing cats rather than realize they have an unsustainable state budget and that the state is set to implode financially.

the Asians I know are largely Democrats or Independent, but they are fiscally conservative. I wish to hell they'd vote...
 

borisvodofsky

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Uh, whats your point?
They both have far higher standards of living than Asian countries with low tax, low benefit economies. Like the Philippines.
The reason they have been hurting lately is it seems that they are losing business to slave populations in countries like Viet Nam and China.
Which, btw, is also hurting the US economy.
I guess high wage, high benefit economies can only thrive in a true free market. Not one where a large proporation of their competitors have access to slave labor.


HAVE YOU been to japan/taiwan??

Both places suck. Japan has very clean streets, but no space.

Higher standards of living (maybe) but with FAR LESS space. The people there also work MUCH harder for their ""standard of living""

Taiwan is just plain dirty.. like most of mainland china.

It has far less people compared to other places, so when you take averages, it's always a little higher.

There Are nice communities in taiwan, but thats for the select wealthy few.


high benefit economies can only thrive in a true free market.... A joke right??? LOOK AT OUR DAME ECONOMY... there is a great veil pulled over what money is, and MOST people don't really understand this. THE ASIANS ARE FUCKING OWNING US. LITERALLY LITTLE BY LITTLE...

Electronics, CARS,, EVEN SEA PORTS in the last decade now...

ALL I KNOW IS WHITE PEOPLE << WE GOTTA GET BACK TO SCHOOL >> AND FUCKING LEARN...

AMERICA has a fighting chance, because it is hands down, the best place to live.. FLAT piece of rock, high utilization.

The corrupt and spoiled government in this country is however fucking us lil' folks over.
If anyone's noticed there is a VERY small sense of nationalism/ patriotism in this country, BECAUSE we've been so open to immigration.

yes they're here to help, and have. BUT what we did not realize is how Patriotic they remain, while reaping our benefits. They didn't JOIN us,, They're walking over us.
 
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MJinZ

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HAVE YOU been to japan/taiwan??

Both places suck. Japan has very clean streets, but no space.

Higher standards of living (maybe) but with FAR LESS space. The people there also work MUCH harder for their ""standard of living""

Taiwan is just plain dirty.. like most of mainland china.

It has far less people compared to other places, so when you take averages, it's always a little higher.

There Are nice communities in taiwan, but thats for the select wealthy few.


high benefit economies can only thrive in a true free market.... A joke right??? LOOK AT OUR DAME ECONOMY... there is a great veil pulled over what money is, and MOST people don't really understand this. THE ASIANS ARE FUCKING OWNING US. LITERALLY LITTLE BY LITTLE...

Electronics, CARS,, EVEN SEA PORTS in the last decade now...

ALL I KNOW IS WHITE PEOPLE << WE GOTTA GET BACK TO SCHOOL >> AND FUCKING LEARN...

AMERICA has a fighting chance, because it is hands down, the best place to live.. FLAT piece of rock, high utilization.

The corrupt and spoiled government in this country is however fucking us lil' folks over.
If anyone's noticed there is a VERY small sense of nationalism/ patriotism in this country, BECAUSE we've been so open to immigration.

yes they're here to help, and have. BUT what we did not realize is how Patriotic they remain, while reaping our benefits. They didn't JOIN us,, They're walking over us.

Didn't pick you for a nativist xenophobe - time to lay off the toilet paper?

The funniest part of your rant is that you're complaining that the US lacks cohesion and patriotism, but of course, your whole thing was about white people getting an education and anti-immigration... and you are wondering why exactly there is a lack of American pride? You reinforce the school of thought that a good number of immigrants hold that the only "true" American in the eyes of the status quo and Government is a White one. Well, that probably won't change until a few hundred years form now when the Mexicans have taken over. That would be a kind of poetic justice indeed, because it means the descendants of the Native Americans will have regained land that was once "theirs" (so to speak, as I don't think they believed in the ownership of land).
 
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