Are gays born as gays?

[rc5]

Do you think one's sex orientation came from his/her surrounding or kinda "hard-wired" in genes?

 

[Czar]

Are gays born as gays?


Yes, the society tells them they are not so it takes time for them to see that they are not like society wants them to be.

 

[thraashman]

I feel that gays are born gay and just don't figure it out until later in life. No one would ever choose to be gay, why would you choose to be perecuted as much as the gay community has been.

 

[NFS4]

I don't think so...I see it as a lifestyle decision. It's not a "disease" like Downs Syndrome or something that no one has any control over.

I believe that it is totally due to the environment they grow up in. If "gays are born as gay" then rapists and murders are born as rapists and murders.

 

[purplehayes]

No, gays choose to be gay.

Why would anyone choose to be gay, because they like having sex with someone of the same sex better, that's why.

 

[Czar]

Actually the few gay people I know would never want to be anything but gay, and they agree that gay sex is much better.

Some things I just dont want to find out in other ways than hearing about them.

 

[AaronP]

its upbringing

 

[NFS4]

<< Actually the few gay people I know would never want to be anything but gay, and they agree that gay sex is much better. >>


Gay sex better?:Q As nasty a thought as it is, maybe gay guys could exclaim this for certain anatomical reason. But lesbians saying that &quot;gay sex&quot; is better? WTF? All they can do is &quot;lick some carpet or linoleum&quot; and &quot;stick their finger in the mouse trap.&quot;

 

[fishy101]

I think it's a little bit of both.

 

[CJM]

Homosexual behavior has been consistantly observed in many of the &quot;less evolved&quot; species of mammals. Unless you want to say that a lion is making a lifestyle decision to be gay, i would have to say it is more of a genetic thing than anything else.

 

[ForeverSilky]

No way in hell are gays born gay.

 

[BigSmooth]

I agree in that I don't think people are &quot;born gay&quot; as in genetic predisposition. But I also don't think it's a conscious choice that you just make at some point.
I think outside factors like the environment you are brought up in or certain events can determine what sex a person is attracted to. I think these factors are most important during childhood, and by the time the person reaches sexual maturity, they are attracted to one sex or the other, and there is no changing that.

 

[Gloaras]

There are so many variables and unknowns that this question is impossible to answer. The same goes for &quot;Are criminals born criminals?&quot;. I don't think so.. but who knows.........

 

[Total Refected Power]

I knew this kid when I was very young (7-10) and he really turned my off. There was something about him that just wasn't &quot;right&quot; to me. Not matter what my mother tried I wouldn't play with this kid. Of course I had no idea what gay was but my feeling was strong. He didn't care for any of the &quot;usual&quot; boy stuff: video games, war, cars, sports, STAR WARS, etc. Well, it turned out that he is gay. I am not saying it is genetic but he was certaintlly well on his way to that lifestyle as a kid. I guess I was not surprised he liked men. This issue is more complicated than I wish to discuss so I will leave the obviuous holes unplugged.

Nature vs Nuture.

 

[NFS4]

<< so I will leave the obviuous holes unplugged. >>


Phew, thank goodness

 

[Isla]

I think it is both nature and nurture.

I knew two women who were gay who had suffered incestuous/abusive childhoods. However, I knew a woman who had been in an incestuous relationship and she was not gay. She did, however, take great joy in destroying men's egos. Similar characteristics manifest in in different ways.

What I am trying to say is that I think the seed may be there in many people.... whether it grows is up to the environment you are in. It doesn't even have to be an 'abusive' situation... the 'triggers' are different for each person.

Question:

Why do guys who think sex between gay men is so awful get all excited about the thought of two women engaged in the act? Hmmmmmmmm?

 

[Total Refected Power]

NFS4:

I was glad somebody got my joke. A little humor never hurts.

 

[NFS4]

<< Why do guys who think sex between gay men is so awful get all excited about the thought of two women engaged in the act? Hmmmmmmmm? >>


1) B/C I'm not attracted to males
2) The female body (well, most of them at least) is beautiful
3) Two (or more chicks) going at it is better than one by herself

 

[raptor13]

Isla,

For the most part, women are beautiful creatures. In form they are wonderful to look at. Thus, the idea of two (or more! )of them together doing something considered &quot;naughty&quot; is very appealing for most men. However, as far as male on male action, that does not hold the same appeal for a number of reasons:

A) Most people are homophobes to some degree and seeing two men doing &quot;things&quot; <wink, wink> with each other is too easy to relate to. I mean, if that guy can do that, maybe I could too! Gasp! It makes men uncomfortable to see things like that because it could quite easily be them.

B) Men are ugly. We have hair that grows in funny places, we're sometimes pudgy, and we just don't look graceful/beautiful/etc. when compared to women. Now, I'm not saying that all men are ugly because they aren't. I, for one, am an exception.


Note that these are simply my opinions as a male. Anyone else care to elaborate?

Edit: Dammit NFS4! You beat me to the punch! :|

 

[Russ]

I used to believe that it was a choice, but I'm not so sure any more.

Through my involvement in politics, I was serving as Vice Chairman of the Planning Commission years ago, and got to know well someone who is homosexual. I'd had quite a few work for me over the years, and, while I felt, and still do, that the lifestyle is disgusting, I never had any problem with it as long as they didn't try to nibble on my ear.

But they were just aquaintenances. This guy became a friend. He was a landowner who was getting screwed over by local government and, by that time, we had finally achieved a Conservative majority on the Commission (I ran the liberals off, bwuahahahaha!!!!).

Anyway, we worked with this gentlemen for quite a while trying to get his rights back, and I got to know him quite well. He was a Conservative, and very knowledgeable on a variety of topics, so we became friends. Good friends.

On several occasions he hinted that there was something he wanted to tell me, but was afraid to do so. One day, some materials arrived related to his dealings with the local thieves (read: our City Council), and in with it was a sealed envelope addressed to me. It was a note telling me that he was homosexual and explaining that he was afraid to tell me face to face because he was worried about how I would react.

Beyond my initial shock, I was very, very disappointed in myself because I had made him to feel that he could not tell me personally; that he had to do it in a note out of fear of my reaction.

I called him right away, and after apologizing for being an insensitive dickhead, we talked at length about the issue. It was the best education I've ever gotten on the subject. This was a guy who was Conservative, intelligent, successful and very much normal and &quot;macho&quot; in every way. I have a hard time believing that he just chose to be homosexual.

Bottom line for me is that, while I still find it repugnant, I'm not so sure anymore about the genesis. I also think that anyone who claims it is either genetic or choice, is full of crap. I don't think anyone really knows.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Total Refected Power]

ISLA:

Largely because the &quot;lesbians&quot; men see in those circumstances are play-acting so there is still some disbelief. I know a few lesbian couples and I would lose my lunch if I saw them &quot;engaged&quot;. Even with their clothes on it kind of gives me the creeps. Men I can't tolerate to look at at all. Sorry. Its a natural response.

 

[Russ]

<< Most people are homophobes to some degree >>



&quot;Homophobe&quot; is a meaningless word made up by activists. I find slugs disgusting, but I'm certainly not a sluggophobe. Fear has nothing to do with it.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Double Trouble]

The question assumes that gays either make a choice, or are born predisposed to be gay. I think the true answer is: it can be either. I'm sure there are people that have made a choice , partly due to their environment and upbringing etc, and I'm also convinced that there is indeed a genetic predisposition for *some* people. There isn't any good way to prove or disprove either theory one way or the other.

As for the use of the word 'homophobe' -- it's simply a label invented by gay extremists and liberal activist to bring a negative connotation to anyone that does't agree with the gay agenda. I have absolutely no fear of someone's who's gay simply because they are gay. That does not mean I agree with his or her agenda. Disagreeing with the agenda of any liberal gay group is instant grounds for being labeled a 'homophobe'....

 

[Yeeny]

Why would anyone choose to be what so many people in this world hate? They are limited by that lifestyle in so many ways, I cannot believe they just wake up one morning and say, hmmm, think I will go gay today. I believe they are born that way, it's not a decision.

 

[IronMike]

It is quite possible that some gays are born, some choose, some have emotional baggage to deal with, and the list goes on and on. Perhaps this is why it is such a complex issue and one that will not be resolved in our lifetime.

Russ, one great story!