Are people seriously Wiccan?

[So]

Originally posted by: bobdole369
Are people seriously Christian, or Buddhist, or Muslim, or Hindi, or Jewish? Seriously?? Really??!! People really think that God sent his son down and we fucking killed him, and that God still loves us? And his sons name is Jesus? Really?

And some people really think none of that happened and we are still waiting on God's son??!!
People really think that Mohammed was his name, not Jesus.
Or that there exists only one purpose - to float your corpse down the Ganges, and that you keep coming back to life.

Same question here. Wiccans are the same as any other group, I'm sure there are posers as well as true believers.

Sigh. I never said they made a lick of sense, just that I understood how people believed those things.

Look guys, I'm an atheist too, I was just curious about THOSE specific beliefs. Can't you leave it at that?

 

[Jeff7]

No different than any of the other major deity-based religions.
Heck, Christianity even practices ritual cannibalism. And while it officially doesn't endorse "sacrifices," it does seem to enjoy monetary sacrifices. Go figure.

"Believe that my son saved you from your sins. Except original sin, you all deserve to suffer from that, haha! But believe in his savingness, and you get into the fun happy place, but only after you die. And you might suffer greatly in life. Oh well.
Eat wafers and fruit juice that represent his body and his blood. Splash water on your baby's head. Go to a special worship place every 7 days. Celebrate my son's/my birth every time Earth goes around the Sun once.
Mating can only take place after you enter into a contract with the other person, in order to allow the male to feel as though he's dominating something. Gotta satisfy those primal urges and eliminate competition.
Wash your hands 5 times a day, but always start with the left hand.
Lock doors after you leave, and always face north when you do it. Always north.
Rocking in chairs is fun, really fun.
Who says I'm obsessive-compulsive and unstable?"

Originally posted by: So
ROFL. Truth and honesty are not the exclusive domain of Christians. Did you seriously just imply that every Jew in the world is a pathological liar?

Duh. All non-Christians are devoid of morals.

Didn't you get the memo about the sheep-rape orgy tonight?
Be on time. If you're late, the roles get reversed.


*sigh*
If one person talks to himself all the time and expects answers back, he's crazy.
If a lot of people do it, it's a religion.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: bobdole369
LOFL - "Truth and Honesty is a Christian Virtue. Satanists automatically have to hate and reject all christian virtues by nature....as you said "flip the bird to christians" "

Truth and Honesty are Satanic virtues, when and if a Satanist deems it beneficial to his cause and pursuit of pleasure. If it behooves him to hang out with Christians all day saving puppies and not drowning babies, then said "confessed satanist" will do just that.

Being truthful in order to Con someone is still in the end a Con.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Heck, Christianity even practices ritual cannibalism.

wat

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Heck, Christianity even practices ritual cannibalism.

wat

Body and blood. Amen.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Heck, Christianity even practices ritual cannibalism.

wat

probably the blood of christ thing. Which is a pagan derived ritual

 

[bobdole369]

"I was just curious about THOSE specific beliefs."

What makes "THOSE" beliefs any different or under any different consideration than anything else? Say my belief in the spaghetti monster?

Is it just because there is not a large number of folks that subscribe to it? Does the number of adherents make any viewpoint any more or less valid? If anything I would think due to its size that folks would be MORE nazi-like in their belief.

Does the question come up because its just plain off the wall? Well there are a LOT of beliefs in this world - including one that involves snakes, another that involve randomly speaking gibberish, and yet another that forbids dancing, but permits swimming with the opposite sex.

 

[bobdole369]

"Being truthful in order to Con someone is still in the end a Con."

Who says its a con?

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nakedfrog


You don't know what LaVeyan Satanism is, and that's specifically what ggnl was comparing. You're thinking of TV/movie "satanism", which does not exist in any organized form that I'm aware of.

Devil worshipping and satanism exist outside of tv and movies I'm sorry to inform you of that and it has been around since the beginning.

Tell me what or why a Laveyan is different

Okay, Mister Intellectually-Lazy. LaVeyan Satanists do not believe in Satan, nor worship him. No God, either. They basically believe this life is all we've got, so live it up, and flip the bird to Christians.

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Wow.....ok

Truth and Honesty is a Christian Virtue. Satanists automatically have to hate and reject all christian virtues by nature....as you said "flip the bird to christians"

Therefore taking a confessed satanist at his word that he doesn't "worship satan" is absurd at best. Get it?

Well, let's see. I've studied their religion, and you haven't, so I'm just going to figure that I'm right and you're wrong.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: bobdole369
"I was just curious about THOSE specific beliefs."

What makes "THOSE" beliefs any different or under any different consideration than anything else? Say my belief in the spaghetti monster?

Is it just because there is not a large number of folks that subscribe to it? Does the number of adherents make any viewpoint any more or less valid? If anything I would think due to its size that folks would be MORE nazi-like in their belief.

Does the question come up because its just plain off the wall? Well there are a LOT of beliefs in this world - including one that involves snakes, another that involve randomly speaking gibberish, and yet another that forbids dancing, but permits swimming with the opposite sex.

Since you won't drop it, YGPM.

 

[l0cke]

Originally posted by: LordMaul
Also, when visiting Manitou Springs in CO one year, I found the town packed with all sorts of strange "wizard" and "magic crystal" shops with lots of people dressed up like hippies proclaiming new-age religion and Wiccan crap. It was pretty entertaining as well, kind of seemed like one last town that never left the 70s.

I had my family reunion in Manitu Springs in 2006. It must be something in that spring water.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Heck, Christianity even practices ritual cannibalism.

wat

Body and blood. Amen.

Yeah, that whole communion thing.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nakedfrog


You don't know what LaVeyan Satanism is, and that's specifically what ggnl was comparing. You're thinking of TV/movie "satanism", which does not exist in any organized form that I'm aware of.

Devil worshipping and satanism exist outside of tv and movies I'm sorry to inform you of that and it has been around since the beginning.

Tell me what or why a Laveyan is different

Okay, Mister Intellectually-Lazy. LaVeyan Satanists do not believe in Satan, nor worship him. No God, either. They basically believe this life is all we've got, so live it up, and flip the bird to Christians.

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Wow.....ok

Truth and Honesty is a Christian Virtue. Satanists automatically have to hate and reject all christian virtues by nature....as you said "flip the bird to christians"

Therefore taking a confessed satanist at his word that he doesn't "worship satan" is absurd at best. Get it?

Well, let's see. I've studied their religion, and you haven't, so I'm just going to figure that I'm right and you're wrong.

You believe satanists will tell you the truth and you think you are right without presenting any kind of viable argument. awesome! I'll pray your soul is not at easily taken as you let on.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: bobdole369
"Being truthful in order to Con someone is still in the end a Con."

Who says its a con?

you did. "persuit of pleasure" . Telling someone what they want to hear so you can get what you want is manipulation. its a con.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Heck, Christianity even practices ritual cannibalism.

wat

probably the blood of christ thing. Which is a pagan derived ritual

I'm not Catholic, so I can't comment on the transubstantiation, but all the Protestants I know regard it in a symbolic manner referring to the rememberance of the crucifiction.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
You believe satanists will tell you the truth and you think you are right without presenting any kind of viable argument. awesome!

I believe I actually have some knowledge on the matter, whereas you're pulling everything out of your ass (well, and from watching TV), and can't even be bothered to Google "LaVeyan Satanism"
Awesome!

I'll pray your soul is not at easily taken as you let on.

Wait, what?

 

[LordMaul]

Originally posted by: l0cke

Originally posted by: LordMaul
Also, when visiting Manitou Springs in CO one year, I found the town packed with all sorts of strange "wizard" and "magic crystal" shops with lots of people dressed up like hippies proclaiming new-age religion and Wiccan crap. It was pretty entertaining as well, kind of seemed like one last town that never left the 70s.

I had my family reunion in Manitu Springs in 2006. It must be something in that spring water.

Funny you mention that... There were water fountains all over the town, and one specific fountain was known as the "fuck-you-up fountain" by some of the locals I talked to. If you stuck your head over the area where the water flowed up and drained out, and breathed in heavily for a few seconds, you would get an intense head rush and short-lasting hallucinations, kind of like a very heavy dose of nitrous but more powerful plus the added hallucinations.

Of course I tried it a few times, and man did it scare the shit out of me. Always wanted to go back there and find out exactly what it was that caused that...

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nakedfrog


You don't know what LaVeyan Satanism is, and that's specifically what ggnl was comparing. You're thinking of TV/movie "satanism", which does not exist in any organized form that I'm aware of.

Devil worshipping and satanism exist outside of tv and movies I'm sorry to inform you of that and it has been around since the beginning.

Tell me what or why a Laveyan is different

Okay, Mister Intellectually-Lazy. LaVeyan Satanists do not believe in Satan, nor worship him. No God, either. They basically believe this life is all we've got, so live it up, and flip the bird to Christians.

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Wow.....ok

Truth and Honesty is a Christian Virtue. Satanists automatically have to hate and reject all christian virtues by nature....as you said "flip the bird to christians"

Therefore taking a confessed satanist at his word that he doesn't "worship satan" is absurd at best. Get it?

ROFL. Truth and honesty are not the exclusive domain of Christians. Did you seriously just imply that every Jew in the world is a pathological liar?

this is kind of comical actually

LaVey's Satanism is not a real Satanic religion/cult. Well, hmm, it's tough to describe. It's a real cult-like religion, but it's not what Iceberg seems to think it is. Seems Iceberg is letting the media's stories of Satanic rituals get the best of his knowledge.
LaVey's group practices enjoying that of which life gives them. They main 'practice' is that of excess - something modern religious sort of preach against. In the root of his religion, is the purpose of flipping off modern monotheistic religions, but it is not about abandoning morality and the fair treatment of fellow man. They are more Druid in practice than Satanic, yet don't really practice anything real. There meets are mostly out of humor, and while some of the things in LaVey's bible are kind of, "woah.. that's fucked up", they are accept it, LaVey included, as just being a way to put in writing something that is opposite of modern religion. However, they don't worship Satan, nor do they even believe he exists - there are mostly an atheist cult. What they do though, is put into practice in their meetings everything Christianity associates as an act connected to Satan - excess, sex, etc etc. They have orgies and whatnot. But outside of their meetings, they are regular folk, if not a little eccentric, but beyond that, they don't go around pissing people off, robbing, murdering, raping, blah blah blah. They're good people that just have fun doing something that ultimately is not accepted.

Someone was talking about Druidism here too, and their spite towards being called Wiccans. First and foremost, most of the modern neopagan groups are mostly there for the philosophical connection than the deity worshipping. Most of the practice is just to do something as a group that is against the belief of a single deity.
Druidism is mostly a Pantheist religion, but they give a few more lively attributes to the God, in contrast to Pantheists that believe God isn't a deity, but rather how one refers to everything 'that is'. Essentially, replace 'God' with the Universal Laws, and that is exactly what they believe - it is just a way to put a name/face on Nature and the physical laws that drive everything that exists today. Druids, from what I understand it, put more of a face on the God of Nature, and believe that there is a deity for every aspect of Nature and the Universe. Now, whether modern Druids believe that, or simply go more in line with Pantheism and call themselves Druids for the group philosophies, I am not sure.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

You believe satanists will tell you the truth and you think you are right without presenting any kind of viable argument. awesome!

I believe I actually have some knowledge on the matter, whereas you're pulling everything out of your ass (well, and from watching TV), and can't even be bothered to Google "LaVeyan Satanism"
Awesome![/quote]

What are you talking about.....what don't you get? It doesn't matter what a Professed Satanist says. Its all lies and manipulation. A satanist REJECTS all Christian VIRTUES BY DEFINITION. ..I don't need to google what a Satanist says because its a fucking lie all of it. They have to lie and con and manipulate just like their God(lucifer). Why do you think they only have one life so they will 'live it up' according to Laveyan? Its because they Lost their soul and have no regard for life that GOD gave. You are a fool to believe anything they say and I'll pray you don't let them take your soul either.

 

[bobdole369]

you did. "persuit of pleasure" . Telling someone what they want to hear so you can get what you want is manipulation. its a con.


Not in so many words. It's not "telling someone what they want to hear" so you can get what you want. If a Satanist thinks and acts a certain way - he may very well be honest and genuine. It's just that the core belief of a Satanist is that he alone is the center of his own universe and to pursue pleasure is godly. As opposed to "following the teachings of a mysterious being" and dressing up every Sunday to show off to your friends. He doesn't have to lie or fake anything.

My whole point is that Satanism isn't inherently bad, nor as off-the-wall as anything else.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nakedfrog


You don't know what LaVeyan Satanism is, and that's specifically what ggnl was comparing. You're thinking of TV/movie "satanism", which does not exist in any organized form that I'm aware of.

Devil worshipping and satanism exist outside of tv and movies I'm sorry to inform you of that and it has been around since the beginning.

Tell me what or why a Laveyan is different

Okay, Mister Intellectually-Lazy. LaVeyan Satanists do not believe in Satan, nor worship him. No God, either. They basically believe this life is all we've got, so live it up, and flip the bird to Christians.

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Wow.....ok

Truth and Honesty is a Christian Virtue. Satanists automatically have to hate and reject all christian virtues by nature....as you said "flip the bird to christians"

Therefore taking a confessed satanist at his word that he doesn't "worship satan" is absurd at best. Get it?

ROFL. Truth and honesty are not the exclusive domain of Christians. Did you seriously just imply that every Jew in the world is a pathological liar?

this is kind of comical actually

LaVey's Satanism is not a real Satanic religion/cult. Well, hmm, it's tough to describe. It's a real cult-like religion, but it's not what Iceberg seems to think it is. Seems Iceberg is letting the media's stories of Satanic rituals get the best of his knowledge.
LaVey's group practices enjoying that of which life gives them. They main 'practice' is that of excess - something modern religious sort of preach against. In the root of his religion, is the purpose of flipping off modern monotheistic religions, but it is not about abandoning morality and the fair treatment of fellow man. They are more Druid in practice than Satanic, yet don't really practice anything real. There meets are mostly out of humor, and while some of the things in LaVey's bible are kind of, "woah.. that's fucked up", they are accept it, LaVey included, as just being a way to put in writing something that is opposite of modern religion. However, they don't worship Satan, nor do they even believe he exists - there are mostly an atheist cult. What they do though, is put into practice in their meetings everything Christianity associates as an act connected to Satan - excess, sex, etc etc. They have orgies and whatnot. But outside of their meetings, they are regular folk, if not a little eccentric, but beyond that, they don't go around pissing people off, robbing, murdering, raping, blah blah blah. They're good people that just have fun doing something that ultimately is not accepted.

Someone was talking about Druidism here too, and their spite towards being called Wiccans. First and foremost, most of the modern neopagan groups are mostly there for the philosophical connection than the deity worshipping. Most of the practice is just to do something as a group that is against the belief of a single deity.
Druidism is mostly a Pantheist religion, but they give a few more lively attributes to the God, in contrast to Pantheists that believe God isn't a deity, but rather how one refers to everything 'that is'. Essentially, replace 'God' with the Universal Laws, and that is exactly what they believe - it is just a way to put a name/face on Nature and the physical laws that drive everything that exists today. Druids, from what I understand it, put more of a face on the God of Nature, and believe that there is a deity for every aspect of Nature and the Universe. Now, whether modern Druids believe that, or simply go more in line with Pantheism and call themselves Druids for the group philosophies, I am not sure.

Again why are you taking the word of a confessed satanist? And where did I say anythign about satanic rituals or are you just making stuff up to make it appear I'm a crackpot. Are you a satanist is that why you are defending them and their cover story?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: bobdole369
you did. "persuit of pleasure" . Telling someone what they want to hear so you can get what you want is manipulation. its a con.


Not in so many words. It's not "telling someone what they want to hear" so you can get what you want. If a Satanist thinks and acts a certain way - he may very well be honest and genuine. It's just that the core belief of a Satanist is that he alone is the center of his own universe and to pursue pleasure is godly. As opposed to "following the teachings of a mysterious being" and dressing up every Sunday to show off to your friends. He doesn't have to lie or fake anything.

My whole point is that Satanism isn't inherently bad, nor as off-the-wall as anything else.

Don't you see you've been Conned here? There is no such thing as "not bad" satanism. Where do you get your information......let me guess.......a satanist said so :roll:

 

[bobdole369]

"Again why are you taking the word of a confessed satanist? And where did I say anythign about satanic rituals or are you just making stuff up to make it appear I'm a crackpot. Are you a satanist is that why you are defending them and their cover story?"

Why wouldn't you take the word of a satanist?

Ah so it comes down to this. Let me be the first to proclaim:

"IcebergSlim" is a bigot.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: bobdole369
"Again why are you taking the word of a confessed satanist? And where did I say anythign about satanic rituals or are you just making stuff up to make it appear I'm a crackpot. Are you a satanist is that why you are defending them and their cover story?"

Why wouldn't you take the word of a satanist?

Ah so it comes down to this. Let me be the first to proclaim:

"IcebergSlim" is a bigot.

how??

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Heck, Christianity even practices ritual cannibalism.

wat

probably the blood of christ thing. Which is a pagan derived ritual

I'm not Catholic, so I can't comment on the transubstantiation, but all the Protestants I know regard it in a symbolic manner referring to the rememberance of the crucifiction.

link

Looks like Protestants regard it as symbolic, whereas Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians take it quite literally.