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nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim


So your telling me they Do everything a satanist does EXCEPT warship satan and i'm supposed to buy that? riiiiiiiiiight. If it looks like shit and smells like shit its shit dude.

No, that's not what I'm telling you at all, that's what you're telling me

Does lavey worship a god?

He's dead, so I doubt he worships much of anything now. There's no deities in the religion he started, though.
 

torpid

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Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
And it is a valid comparison for what he was saying, The LaVey's Satanists are a cult movement that acts as a christian counter culture (perhaps that is how they got labeled satanists to begin with). Some neo-pagans groups are similar.

But you can't trust Satanists because they always lie. Therefore what they are really doing is worshiping Christ. I wish you guys would pay attention... this is much more simple than you are making it out to be. Let me summarize:

Pagans - worship deities other than "The One True God" and therefore worship Satan. Therefore they actively refuse to do anything moral according to Christian standards. Therefore they always lie. Therefore their worship of deities other than "The One True God" is a lie. Therefore they are Christians.

Satanists - worship Satan. Therefore they always lie. Therefore when they worship Satan they are lying about their worship to Satan himself. Therefore they are Christians.

Buddhists - follow the teachings of Siddhartha, which are basically the same as the teachings of Jesus. Therefore they are Christians.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
And it is a valid comparison for what he was saying, The LaVey's Satanists are a cult movement that acts as a christian counter culture (perhaps that is how they got labeled satanists to begin with). Some neo-pagans groups are similar.

But you can't trust Satanists because they always lie. Therefore what they are really doing is worshiping Christ. I wish you guys would pay attention... this is much more simple than you are making it out to be. Let me summarize:

Pagans - worship deities other than "The One True God" and therefore worship Satan. Therefore they actively refuse to do anything moral according to Christian standards. Therefore they always lie. Therefore their worship of deities other than "The One True God" is a lie. Therefore they are Christians.

Satanists - worship Satan. Therefore they always lie. Therefore when they worship Satan they are lying about their worship to Satan himself. Therefore they are Christians.

Buddhists - follow the teachings of Siddhartha, which are basically the same as the teachings of Jesus. Therefore they are Christians.

Finally someone who understands.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
And it is a valid comparison for what he was saying, The LaVey's Satanists are a cult movement that acts as a christian counter culture (perhaps that is how they got labeled satanists to begin with). Some neo-pagans groups are similar.

But you can't trust Satanists because they always lie. Therefore what they are really doing is worshiping Christ. I wish you guys would pay attention... this is much more simple than you are making it out to be. Let me summarize:

Pagans - worship deities other than "The One True God" and therefore worship Satan. Therefore they actively refuse to do anything moral according to Christian standards. Therefore they always lie. Therefore their worship of deities other than "The One True God" is a lie. Therefore they are Christians.

Satanists - worship Satan. Therefore they always lie. Therefore when they worship Satan they are lying about their worship to Satan himself. Therefore they are Christians.

Buddhists - follow the teachings of Siddhartha, which are basically the same as the teachings of Jesus. Therefore they are Christians.

Thats not what I said. any of it.

Satanists don't always lie. They can tell the truth so long as it helps them on with whatever con or manipulation they are working on. Secondly.....satanists also need to brag and boast as christian values modesty.
 

nakedfrog

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Apr 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
And it is a valid comparison for what he was saying, The LaVey's Satanists are a cult movement that acts as a christian counter culture (perhaps that is how they got labeled satanists to begin with). Some neo-pagans groups are similar.

But you can't trust Satanists because they always lie. Therefore what they are really doing is worshiping Christ. I wish you guys would pay attention... this is much more simple than you are making it out to be. Let me summarize:

Pagans - worship deities other than "The One True God" and therefore worship Satan. Therefore they actively refuse to do anything moral according to Christian standards. Therefore they always lie. Therefore their worship of deities other than "The One True God" is a lie. Therefore they are Christians.

Satanists - worship Satan. Therefore they always lie. Therefore when they worship Satan they are lying about their worship to Satan himself. Therefore they are Christians.

Buddhists - follow the teachings of Siddhartha, which are basically the same as the teachings of Jesus. Therefore they are Christians.

Thats not what I said. any of it.

Satanists don't always lie. They can tell the truth so long as it helps them on with whatever con or manipulation they are working on. Secondly.....satanists also need to brag and boast as christian values modesty.

The difference is that we're talking about the ACTUAL Church of Satan, and you're talking about some imaginary form of Satanism.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
And it is a valid comparison for what he was saying, The LaVey's Satanists are a cult movement that acts as a christian counter culture (perhaps that is how they got labeled satanists to begin with). Some neo-pagans groups are similar.

But you can't trust Satanists because they always lie. Therefore what they are really doing is worshiping Christ. I wish you guys would pay attention... this is much more simple than you are making it out to be. Let me summarize:

Pagans - worship deities other than "The One True God" and therefore worship Satan. Therefore they actively refuse to do anything moral according to Christian standards. Therefore they always lie. Therefore their worship of deities other than "The One True God" is a lie. Therefore they are Christians.

Satanists - worship Satan. Therefore they always lie. Therefore when they worship Satan they are lying about their worship to Satan himself. Therefore they are Christians.

Buddhists - follow the teachings of Siddhartha, which are basically the same as the teachings of Jesus. Therefore they are Christians.

Thats not what I said. any of it.

Satanists don't always lie. They can tell the truth so long as it helps them on with whatever con or manipulation they are working on. Secondly.....satanists also need to brag and boast as christian values modesty.

The difference is that we're talking about the ACTUAL Church of Satan, and you're talking about some imaginary form of Satanism.

your talking about a group of atheists that claim to be satanists. Thats like saying i'm a farmer even though I am not a farmer. Then starting a farming organization whose membership only consists of non farmers. Yes that makes perfect sense.
 

FeuerFrei

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On the topic of Satanists:

They believe God exists. They just reject him and everything he stands for. So they are theists.

or so I hear

and as God says in the Bible "They that hate me, love death".
 

CrackRabbit

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
And it is a valid comparison for what he was saying, The LaVey's Satanists are a cult movement that acts as a christian counter culture (perhaps that is how they got labeled satanists to begin with). Some neo-pagans groups are similar.

But you can't trust Satanists because they always lie. Therefore what they are really doing is worshiping Christ. I wish you guys would pay attention... this is much more simple than you are making it out to be. Let me summarize:

Pagans - worship deities other than "The One True God" and therefore worship Satan. Therefore they actively refuse to do anything moral according to Christian standards. Therefore they always lie. Therefore their worship of deities other than "The One True God" is a lie. Therefore they are Christians.

Satanists - worship Satan. Therefore they always lie. Therefore when they worship Satan they are lying about their worship to Satan himself. Therefore they are Christians.

Buddhists - follow the teachings of Siddhartha, which are basically the same as the teachings of Jesus. Therefore they are Christians.

Thats not what I said. any of it.

Satanists don't always lie. They can tell the truth so long as it helps them on with whatever con or manipulation they are working on. Secondly.....satanists also need to brag and boast as christian values modesty.

The difference is that we're talking about the ACTUAL Church of Satan, and you're talking about some imaginary form of Satanism.

your talking about a group of atheists that claim to be satanists. Thats like saying i'm a farmer even though I am not a farmer. Then starting a farming organization whose membership only consists of non farmers. Yes that makes perfect sense.

A farming organization that doesn't consist of farmers does exist, it's called the Department of Agriculture.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
And it is a valid comparison for what he was saying, The LaVey's Satanists are a cult movement that acts as a christian counter culture (perhaps that is how they got labeled satanists to begin with). Some neo-pagans groups are similar.

But you can't trust Satanists because they always lie. Therefore what they are really doing is worshiping Christ. I wish you guys would pay attention... this is much more simple than you are making it out to be. Let me summarize:

Pagans - worship deities other than "The One True God" and therefore worship Satan. Therefore they actively refuse to do anything moral according to Christian standards. Therefore they always lie. Therefore their worship of deities other than "The One True God" is a lie. Therefore they are Christians.

Satanists - worship Satan. Therefore they always lie. Therefore when they worship Satan they are lying about their worship to Satan himself. Therefore they are Christians.

Buddhists - follow the teachings of Siddhartha, which are basically the same as the teachings of Jesus. Therefore they are Christians.

Thats not what I said. any of it.

Satanists don't always lie. They can tell the truth so long as it helps them on with whatever con or manipulation they are working on. Secondly.....satanists also need to brag and boast as christian values modesty.

The difference is that we're talking about the ACTUAL Church of Satan, and you're talking about some imaginary form of Satanism.

your talking about a group of atheists that claim to be satanists. Thats like saying i'm a farmer even though I am not a farmer. Then starting a farming organization whose membership only consists of non farmers. Yes that makes perfect sense.

A farming organization that doesn't consist of farmers does exist, it's called the Department of Agriculture.

do the members claim to be farmers?
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
On the topic of Satanists:

They believe God exists. They just reject him and everything he stands for. So they are theists.

or so I hear

and as God says in the Bible "They that hate me, love death".

Not LaVeyan Satanists. Pay attention, would you?
 

CrackRabbit

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
And it is a valid comparison for what he was saying, The LaVey's Satanists are a cult movement that acts as a christian counter culture (perhaps that is how they got labeled satanists to begin with). Some neo-pagans groups are similar.

But you can't trust Satanists because they always lie. Therefore what they are really doing is worshiping Christ. I wish you guys would pay attention... this is much more simple than you are making it out to be. Let me summarize:

Pagans - worship deities other than "The One True God" and therefore worship Satan. Therefore they actively refuse to do anything moral according to Christian standards. Therefore they always lie. Therefore their worship of deities other than "The One True God" is a lie. Therefore they are Christians.

Satanists - worship Satan. Therefore they always lie. Therefore when they worship Satan they are lying about their worship to Satan himself. Therefore they are Christians.

Buddhists - follow the teachings of Siddhartha, which are basically the same as the teachings of Jesus. Therefore they are Christians.

Thats not what I said. any of it.

Satanists don't always lie. They can tell the truth so long as it helps them on with whatever con or manipulation they are working on. Secondly.....satanists also need to brag and boast as christian values modesty.

The difference is that we're talking about the ACTUAL Church of Satan, and you're talking about some imaginary form of Satanism.

your talking about a group of atheists that claim to be satanists. Thats like saying i'm a farmer even though I am not a farmer. Then starting a farming organization whose membership only consists of non farmers. Yes that makes perfect sense.

A farming organization that doesn't consist of farmers does exist, it's called the Department of Agriculture.

do the members claim to be farmers?

Nope, they claim to be bicycle repairmen.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Well this has been enlightening in summary:

- Laveys are atheists so can't even be a church so it certainly cannot be paganism. A gay boys club with a fancy name.

- Real Satanists do exist and they reject god and anything god stands for while worshipping the debil

- I am not christian, I've never been baptized. I believe all we need is love.

have a nice day.

 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: ggnl
I've met a couple people that were into it. In a nut shell, they didn't believe in the religion literally, it was more of a spiritual way for them to exercise their philosophical beliefs.

Also it provides a sort of counter-culture to the Christian status quo (i.e. Anton LaVey's Satanists).

how are you comparing satanism and pagans.....really?

LaVey's Satanism was just humanism with candles and and skulls. Well... with a little Objectivism thrown in.
 

torpid

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
And it is a valid comparison for what he was saying, The LaVey's Satanists are a cult movement that acts as a christian counter culture (perhaps that is how they got labeled satanists to begin with). Some neo-pagans groups are similar.

But you can't trust Satanists because they always lie[1]. Therefore what they are really doing is worshiping Christ. I wish you guys would pay attention... this is much more simple than you are making it out to be. Let me summarize:

Pagans - worship deities other than "The One True God" and therefore worship Satan[2]. Therefore they actively refuse to do anything moral according to Christian standards[1]. Therefore they always lie[1]. Therefore their worship of deities other than "The One True God" is a lie. Therefore they are Christians.

Satanists - worship Satan. Therefore they always lie[1]. Therefore when they worship Satan they are lying about their worship to Satan himself. Therefore they are Christians.

Buddhists - follow the teachings of Siddhartha, which are basically the same as the teachings of Jesus[3]. Therefore they are Christians.

Thats not what I said. any of it.

Satanists don't always lie. They can tell the truth so long as it helps them on with whatever con or manipulation they are working on. Secondly.....satanists also need to brag and boast as christian values modesty.

I cited my references to your speech above. Here is [1]:

It doesn't matter what a Professed Satanist says. Its all lies and manipulation [...] They have to lie and con and manipulate just like their God(lucifer).

And

satanists have to lie because truth and honesty are christian virtues

[2]:
you know all religion is modeled off of pagan religions
Satanism is modeled off pagan religion. Therefore some pagans are Satanists, therefore they are Christians using the logic above.

[3]:
Buddha and christ were basically promoting the same things
 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: bobdole369
Who told you that?

Nobody. Its a simple statistic. A majority of those who responded to a survey that indicated they were "satanist" also indicated they do not believe in any deity.

Awesome......satanists have to lie because truth and honesty are christian virtues. We've been over this. :roll:

Why do you keep saying this? It's not true, and you haven't proven it. You speak from a Christian viewpoint and assume that everyone should agree with it. Read a book, dildo.
 

rasczak

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
And it is a valid comparison for what he was saying, The LaVey's Satanists are a cult movement that acts as a christian counter culture (perhaps that is how they got labeled satanists to begin with). Some neo-pagans groups are similar.

But you can't trust Satanists because they always lie. Therefore what they are really doing is worshiping Christ. I wish you guys would pay attention... this is much more simple than you are making it out to be. Let me summarize:

Pagans - worship deities other than "The One True God" and therefore worship Satan. Therefore they actively refuse to do anything moral according to Christian standards. Therefore they always lie. Therefore their worship of deities other than "The One True God" is a lie. Therefore they are Christians.

Satanists - worship Satan. Therefore they always lie. Therefore when they worship Satan they are lying about their worship to Satan himself. Therefore they are Christians.

Buddhists - follow the teachings of Siddhartha, which are basically the same as the teachings of Jesus. Therefore they are Christians.

Thats not what I said. any of it.

Satanists don't always lie. They can tell the truth so long as it helps them on with whatever con or manipulation they are working on. Secondly.....satanists also need to brag and boast as christian values modesty.

The difference is that we're talking about the ACTUAL Church of Satan, and you're talking about some imaginary form of Satanism.

your talking about a group of atheists that claim to be satanists. Thats like saying i'm a farmer even though I am not a farmer. Then starting a farming organization whose membership only consists of non farmers. Yes that makes perfect sense.


from what i understand reading this thread their one purpose of the group is to piss christians off. as you can see, you fell into the trap.
 

pontifex

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i have no idea what's going on. all i know is that icebergslim is really coming off as some religious fanatic, even though he claims not be be religious?
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: pontifex
i have no idea what's going on. all i know is that icebergslim is really coming off as some religious fanatic, even though he claims not be be religious?
He could just be trolling, too.


Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
you know all religion is modeled off of pagan religions and the pagan calendar more or less

Link please....
www.worldhistory.com

It's not like the major religions of today always existed. Pagan rituals was all there was long ago. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam were not just written from scratch.


 

Praxis1452

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In response to So's original question, I have known 1 wiccan in my life. She does not practice anymore but she did. She did it because she liked the ritual aspect and also liked the christian counter-culture it in many senses espouses.
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
And it is a valid comparison for what he was saying, The LaVey's Satanists are a cult movement that acts as a christian counter culture (perhaps that is how they got labeled satanists to begin with). Some neo-pagans groups are similar.

But you can't trust Satanists because they always lie. Therefore what they are really doing is worshiping Christ. I wish you guys would pay attention... this is much more simple than you are making it out to be. Let me summarize:

Pagans - worship deities other than "The One True God" and therefore worship Satan. Therefore they actively refuse to do anything moral according to Christian standards. Therefore they always lie. Therefore their worship of deities other than "The One True God" is a lie. Therefore they are Christians.

Satanists - worship Satan. Therefore they always lie. Therefore when they worship Satan they are lying about their worship to Satan himself. Therefore they are Christians.

Buddhists - follow the teachings of Siddhartha, which are basically the same as the teachings of Jesus. Therefore they are Christians.

Thats not what I said. any of it.

Satanists don't always lie. They can tell the truth so long as it helps them on with whatever con or manipulation they are working on. Secondly.....satanists also need to brag and boast as christian values modesty.

The difference is that we're talking about the ACTUAL Church of Satan, and you're talking about some imaginary form of Satanism.

your talking about a group of atheists that claim to be satanists. Thats like saying i'm a farmer even though I am not a farmer. Then starting a farming organization whose membership only consists of non farmers. Yes that makes perfect sense.

Iceberg Slim, you are a bigot.

Lavey's satanism is quite different than your imagined satanism. Because the current use of satanism doesn't fit in with your narrow and tiny defined box for satanism you reject it.

They claim to be satanist because it is a counter-culture to modern organized religion. They are in essence atheists. Whether you consider them to be is not what was discussed.

Fact, most satanists follow LeVay. This means... that satanism as it has come to be known is associated with LeVay, and whether you like it or not, that is what satanism has come to be acknowledged as. YES that makes PERFECT SENSE. Republican and Democrats are vastly vastly different than previous ages.

Satanists like what you're imagining don't really exist. I honestly can't see the logic in worshiping the angel that lost to god and was cast down to hell to suffer eternal damnation. "Yea eternal damnation, sounds great, where do I join?" They'd also have to accept the christian chronology in order to really worship satan in your sense. That he was cast down, eternal suffering, burning in hell, etc etc..

Fuck you icerberg slim, people have tried to explain what satanism means and you have rejected it in favor of some imaginary form of satanism.
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: ggnl
I've met a couple people that were into it. In a nut shell, they didn't believe in the religion literally, it was more of a spiritual way for them to exercise their philosophical beliefs.

Also it provides a sort of counter-culture to the Christian status quo (i.e. Anton LaVey's Satanists).

how are you comparing satanism and pagans.....really?

LaVey's Satanism was just humanism with candles and and skulls. Well... with a little Objectivism thrown in.
There you go.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: nakedfrog


You don't know what LaVeyan Satanism is, and that's specifically what ggnl was comparing. You're thinking of TV/movie "satanism", which does not exist in any organized form that I'm aware of.

Devil worshipping and satanism exist outside of tv and movies I'm sorry to inform you of that and it has been around since the beginning.

Tell me what or why a Laveyan is different

Okay, Mister Intellectually-Lazy. LaVeyan Satanists do not believe in Satan, nor worship him. No God, either. They basically believe this life is all we've got, so live it up, and flip the bird to Christians.

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Wow.....ok

Truth and Honesty is a Christian Virtue. Satanists automatically have to hate and reject all christian virtues by nature....as you said "flip the bird to christians"

Therefore taking a confessed satanist at his word that he doesn't "worship satan" is absurd at best. Get it?

ROFL. Truth and honesty are not the exclusive domain of Christians. Did you seriously just imply that every Jew in the world is a pathological liar?

this is kind of comical actually

LaVey's Satanism is not a real Satanic religion/cult. Well, hmm, it's tough to describe. It's a real cult-like religion, but it's not what Iceberg seems to think it is. Seems Iceberg is letting the media's stories of Satanic rituals get the best of his knowledge.
LaVey's group practices enjoying that of which life gives them. They main 'practice' is that of excess - something modern religious sort of preach against. In the root of his religion, is the purpose of flipping off modern monotheistic religions, but it is not about abandoning morality and the fair treatment of fellow man. They are more Druid in practice than Satanic, yet don't really practice anything real. There meets are mostly out of humor, and while some of the things in LaVey's bible are kind of, "woah.. that's fucked up", they are accept it, LaVey included, as just being a way to put in writing something that is opposite of modern religion. However, they don't worship Satan, nor do they even believe he exists - there are mostly an atheist cult. What they do though, is put into practice in their meetings everything Christianity associates as an act connected to Satan - excess, sex, etc etc. They have orgies and whatnot. But outside of their meetings, they are regular folk, if not a little eccentric, but beyond that, they don't go around pissing people off, robbing, murdering, raping, blah blah blah. They're good people that just have fun doing something that ultimately is not accepted.

Someone was talking about Druidism here too, and their spite towards being called Wiccans. First and foremost, most of the modern neopagan groups are mostly there for the philosophical connection than the deity worshipping. Most of the practice is just to do something as a group that is against the belief of a single deity.
Druidism is mostly a Pantheist religion, but they give a few more lively attributes to the God, in contrast to Pantheists that believe God isn't a deity, but rather how one refers to everything 'that is'. Essentially, replace 'God' with the Universal Laws, and that is exactly what they believe - it is just a way to put a name/face on Nature and the physical laws that drive everything that exists today. Druids, from what I understand it, put more of a face on the God of Nature, and believe that there is a deity for every aspect of Nature and the Universe. Now, whether modern Druids believe that, or simply go more in line with Pantheism and call themselves Druids for the group philosophies, I am not sure.

Again why are you taking the word of a confessed satanist? And where did I say anythign about satanic rituals or are you just making stuff up to make it appear I'm a crackpot. Are you a satanist is that why you are defending them and their cover story?

lol. oh hell no
I'm an atheist that laughs at all religions equally and fairly. No religion gets any less of a bashing from me than any other. They're all equally retarded. Some, however, I laugh less at, or laugh along with due to their inherent parody.
Take, for example, LaVey's Satanic religious - it's a paraody of everything Christian, but they don't take any of it seriously, unlike Christians, where the diehards take everything written in a book as the truths among all truths, in which is used to judge others when Christians think those people are wrong for their beliefs. Oh so very Christian. LaVey's group, on the other hand, simply mocks the Christians, and in the mean time have a damn good time with orgies and lavish excess in their lives. Where do you get that everything they say or do is a lie? Just because they wrote a parody bible that worships Satan and meet under such pretenses, they are automatically deemed liars? Sure, they might be lying, but it should be presumed they are not. I cannot understand how one can blindly portray them as liars, claiming they lie every chance they get.

I kind of accept any 'religion' that doesn't exactly worship real deities. Specifically, any cult or religion that leads to enlightening an individual, to where they no longer believe in deities but instead believe in philosophical concepts, I will gladly accept. It's a step. We need to take steps to rid humanity of the desire/need for religion, period. Or at least unite under the same religion, one that is different from everything that exists today so that no group can blindly believe they are the 'right' ones, and all others are 'wrong'. That concept alone makes me laugh, yet is depressing when I realize that those very notions have led to executions, wars, and general bickering and hatred between people, when these people should just learn to get along with each other. Doing mankind no good by holding onto such bullshit causes as religion. Hell, even if some deity does exist, we'll never live long enough to make our species better if we continue choosing different paths.
Hell, one might even imagine every religion was helped along by the same deity, each with different concepts, to test humanity if it could ever embrace the same unified message: love fellow man. I personally don't believe that, but that's a message I'd hold close if it was one that everyone started giving attention to; if all the religions were made as a test, shouldn't we all come together and prove to this deity we are a worthy race who can accept one another, and move on to a singular religion, whether it involves worship of a deity or not. That's a step toward what mankind needs to achieve if we ever wanna get off this rock in one piece, because if we are to last an eternity (as a species), it won't be on Earth - we already know this planet is doomed, and we can't go down with it.
 

ruu

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Re OP's original question:

I "tried" Wicca when I was younger; I found some of the rituals soothing and the philosophy interesting and better-fitting for my personality than anything else. I eventually stopped because I lost interest.

I don't find a belief in full-blown, horned-gods, spirit-of-the-moon "neo"paganism any more difficult to accept than the various popular flavors of Christianity. Viewed from the right angle, either belief system makes sense or is patently ludicrous. Frankly, I find various tribal religions just as believable as either Christianity or Wicca.
 
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