Are people seriously Wiccan?

[sdugicus]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

You believe satanists will tell you the truth and you think you are right without presenting any kind of viable argument. awesome!

I believe I actually have some knowledge on the matter, whereas you're pulling everything out of your ass (well, and from watching TV), and can't even be bothered to Google "LaVeyan Satanism"
Awesome!

What are you talking about.....what don't you get? It doesn't matter what a Professed Satanist says. Its all lies and manipulation. A satanist REJECTS all Christian VIRTUES BY DEFINITION. ..I don't need to google what a Satanist says because its a fucking lie all of it. They have to lie and con and manipulate just like their God(lucifer). Why do you think they only have one life so they will 'live it up' according to Laveyan? Its because they Lost their soul and have no regard for life that GOD gave. You are a fool to believe anything they say and I'll pray you don't let them take your soul either.[/quote]

75% of the world rejects christian virtues. What does that have to do with anything

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: bobdole369
you did. "persuit of pleasure" . Telling someone what they want to hear so you can get what you want is manipulation. its a con.


Not in so many words. It's not "telling someone what they want to hear" so you can get what you want. If a Satanist thinks and acts a certain way - he may very well be honest and genuine. It's just that the core belief of a Satanist is that he alone is the center of his own universe and to pursue pleasure is godly. As opposed to "following the teachings of a mysterious being" and dressing up every Sunday to show off to your friends. He doesn't have to lie or fake anything.

My whole point is that Satanism isn't inherently bad, nor as off-the-wall as anything else.

Don't you see you've been Conned here? There is no such thing as "not bad" satanism. Where do you get your information......let me guess.......a satanist said so :roll:

Where did you get your information from?

Because apparently, you think everything you hear or read about it is a lie.

 

[bobdole369]

"There is no such thing as "not bad" satanism."

define: Not Bad

I get my information from years of off and on intellectual study at a seminary for all faiths.

There IS such a thing as "not bad" satanism. Ignorant folks cannot and will not see that. Since you seem to proclaim that all members of a particular faith will act a certain way - then do you also believe that all Christians should hate Jews? Or that all Muslims should hate Christians?

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: So
I mean, I understand that people believe the bigger religions, for various reasons. But are there really people honestly who believe in pagan gods as genuine powerful supernatural beings, or are they just joining a group whose philosophical outlook they agree with? If there are any professed neopagans here, I'm genuinely curious.

There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING different about believing in some pagan supernatural being, versus believing in some nebulous Christian supernatural being. In either case, you are believing in something which has no evidence whatsoever to support its actual existence.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Heck, Christianity even practices ritual cannibalism.

wat

probably the blood of christ thing. Which is a pagan derived ritual

I'm not Catholic, so I can't comment on the transubstantiation, but all the Protestants I know regard it in a symbolic manner referring to the rememberance of the crucifiction.

link

Looks like Protestants regard it as symbolic, whereas Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians take it quite literally.

Jesus, the other Kosher meat!

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: sdugicus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

You believe satanists will tell you the truth and you think you are right without presenting any kind of viable argument. awesome!

I believe I actually have some knowledge on the matter, whereas you're pulling everything out of your ass (well, and from watching TV), and can't even be bothered to Google "LaVeyan Satanism"
Awesome!

What are you talking about.....what don't you get? It doesn't matter what a Professed Satanist says. Its all lies and manipulation. A satanist REJECTS all Christian VIRTUES BY DEFINITION. ..I don't need to google what a Satanist says because its a fucking lie all of it. They have to lie and con and manipulate just like their God(lucifer). Why do you think they only have one life so they will 'live it up' according to Laveyan? Its because they Lost their soul and have no regard for life that GOD gave. You are a fool to believe anything they say and I'll pray you don't let them take your soul either.

75% of the world rejects christian virtues. What does that have to do with anything[/quote]

lol oh really 75% of the world rejects love, honesty, truth, honor, friendship, fidelity, family

are you smoking crack?

 

[bobdole369]

By definition.


typing "define: bigot" into google yields this result.


http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=bigot

S: (n) bigot (a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own)

That defines exactly what you are saying about Satanism IcebergSlim - thus YOU are a bigot.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
You believe satanists will tell you the truth and you think you are right without presenting any kind of viable argument. awesome!

I believe I actually have some knowledge on the matter, whereas you're pulling everything out of your ass (well, and from watching TV), and can't even be bothered to Google "LaVeyan Satanism"
Awesome!

What are you talking about.....what don't you get? It doesn't matter what a Professed Satanist says. Its all lies and manipulation. A satanist REJECTS all Christian VIRTUES BY DEFINITION. ..I don't need to google what a Satanist says because its a fucking lie all of it. They have to lie and con and manipulate just like their God(lucifer). Why do you think they only have one life so they will 'live it up' according to Laveyan? Its because they Lost their soul and have no regard for life that GOD gave. You are a fool to believe anything they say and I'll pray you don't let them take your soul either.

You're funny
Don't bother praying for me, I don't know where you got the idea that I was considering joining up with them.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: bobdole369
"There is no such thing as "not bad" satanism."

define: Not Bad

I get my information from years of off and on intellectual study at a seminary for all faiths.

There IS such a thing as "not bad" satanism. Ignorant folks cannot and will not see that. Since you seem to proclaim that all members of a particular faith will act a certain way - then do you also believe that all Christians should hate Jews? Or that all Muslims should hate Christians?

why should Christians hate Jews or Muslims? Hate isn't not a christian virtue its a satanic virtue.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: bobdole369
you did. "persuit of pleasure" . Telling someone what they want to hear so you can get what you want is manipulation. its a con.


Not in so many words. It's not "telling someone what they want to hear" so you can get what you want. If a Satanist thinks and acts a certain way - he may very well be honest and genuine. It's just that the core belief of a Satanist is that he alone is the center of his own universe and to pursue pleasure is godly. As opposed to "following the teachings of a mysterious being" and dressing up every Sunday to show off to your friends. He doesn't have to lie or fake anything.

My whole point is that Satanism isn't inherently bad, nor as off-the-wall as anything else.

Don't you see you've been Conned here? There is no such thing as "not bad" satanism. Where do you get your information......let me guess.......a satanist said so :roll:

Where did you get your information from?

Because apparently, you think everything you hear or read about it is a lie.

A satanist by definition is one who warships lucifer or the devil or satan. The devil is gods fallen angel and enemy who rejects everything that god and in this case christianity stands for. By default a follower of Lucifer, the devil or satan must also reject Christian virtues and Christ and god. This is not difficult logic to follow.

 

[bobdole369]

Ah but hate is practiced by LOTS of Christians. The only virtue practiced by Satanists is that of self-preservation.

Most orthodox Christians hate jews because they killed Jesus. Look at Mel Gibson for crying out loud.

I said Muslim's hate Christians, not the other way around - Muslim's hate anything that isn't Muslim. That's in their book, the Holy Qu'ran - the final revelation of God. Now there is some bigots.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: bobdole369
By definition.


typing "define: bigot" into google yields this result.


http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=bigot

S: (n) bigot (a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own)

That defines exactly what you are saying about Satanism IcebergSlim - thus YOU are a bigot.

Guilty as charged I am intolerant of devil worshippers.

 

[bobdole369]

"A satanist by definition is one who warships lucifer or the devil or satan."

Absolutely false. Satanists typically do NOT worship any deity at all.

You are mistaken friend. Oh and NO I'm not a Satanist. I'm Buddhist if you must know.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: bobdole369
Ah but hate is practiced by LOTS of Christians. The only virtue practiced by Satanists is that of self-preservation.

Most orthodox Christians hate jews because they killed Jesus. Look at Mel Gibson for crying out loud.

I said Muslim's hate Christians, not the other way around - Muslim's hate anything that isn't Muslim. That's in their book, the Holy Qu'ran - the final revelation of God. Now there is some bigots.

its not black and white man the devil is always trying to take more souls. Don't you understand this is a spiritual war?

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
A satanist by definition is one who warships lucifer or the devil or satan. The devil is gods fallen angel and enemy who rejects everything that god and in this case christianity stands for. By default a follower of Lucifer, the devil or satan must also reject Christian virtues and Christ and god. This is not difficult logic to follow.

What possible benefit could there be to worshiping Satan?
Why would someone worship a deity who only wants them so they can torture their soul for eternity?
It IS difficult logic to follow.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: bobdole369
"A satanist by definition is one who warships lucifer or the devil or satan."

Absolutely false. Satanists typically do NOT worship any deity at all.

You are mistaken friend. Oh and NO I'm not a Satanist. I'm Buddhist if you must know.

Who told you that? People that don't worship any deity are FUCKING ATHEISTS!

 

[OCGuy]

Wiccan is just as bat-shit crazy as any other cult..err...religion, sorry.

 

[Kirby]

Keep it up guys. I have an 2 hours and 15 minutes before I get off work. :thumbsup:

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
A satanist by definition is one who warships lucifer or the devil or satan. The devil is gods fallen angel and enemy who rejects everything that god and in this case christianity stands for. By default a follower of Lucifer, the devil or satan must also reject Christian virtues and Christ and god. This is not difficult logic to follow.

What possible benefit could there be to worshiping Satan?
Why would someone worship a deity who only wants them so they can torture their soul for eternity?
It IS difficult logic to follow.

I never said Satanist were smart did I?

But to expand satan promises powers and pleasures while on earth in exchange for the soul. Others are weak minded or have mental disorders so are easy prey for manipulation.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
A satanist by definition is one who warships lucifer or the devil or satan. The devil is gods fallen angel and enemy who rejects everything that god and in this case christianity stands for. By default a follower of Lucifer, the devil or satan must also reject Christian virtues and Christ and god. This is not difficult logic to follow.

What possible benefit could there be to worshiping Satan?
Why would someone worship a deity who only wants them so they can torture their soul for eternity?
It IS difficult logic to follow.

I never said Satanist were smart did I?

But to expand satan promises powers and pleasures while on earth in exchange for the soul. Others are weak minded or have mental disorders so are easy prey for manipulation.

Who'd you hear from that Satan grants powers and pleasures? A satanist?

 

[bobdole369]

Who told you that?

Nobody. Its a simple statistic. A majority of those who responded to a survey that indicated they were "satanist" also indicated they do not believe in any deity.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: So
I mean, I understand that people believe the bigger religions, for various reasons. But are there really people honestly who believe in pagan gods as genuine powerful supernatural beings, or are they just joining a group whose philosophical outlook they agree with? If there are any professed neopagans here, I'm genuinely curious.

There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING different about believing in some pagan supernatural being, versus believing in some nebulous Christian supernatural being. In either case, you are believing in something which has no evidence whatsoever to support its actual existence.

WHERE THE F*CK DID I SAY THAT THERE WAS ANY EVIDENCE FOR THE BIGGER RELIGIONS!?!?!?!?!?? WHERE DID I SAY THEY WERE MORE PLAUSIBLE?

I said that I understood how people believed them!

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: bobdole369
"A satanist by definition is one who warships lucifer or the devil or satan."

Absolutely false. Satanists typically do NOT worship any deity at all.

You are mistaken friend. Oh and NO I'm not a Satanist. I'm Buddhist if you must know.

Who told you that? People that don't worship any deity are FUCKING ATHEISTS!

And... now stay with me... if some of those atheists want to call themselves "Satanists" to rile people like you up (and reap the tax benefits associated with churches), are they now automatically Satan worshipers?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
A satanist by definition is one who warships lucifer or the devil or satan. The devil is gods fallen angel and enemy who rejects everything that god and in this case christianity stands for. By default a follower of Lucifer, the devil or satan must also reject Christian virtues and Christ and god. This is not difficult logic to follow.

What possible benefit could there be to worshiping Satan?
Why would someone worship a deity who only wants them so they can torture their soul for eternity?
It IS difficult logic to follow.

I never said Satanist were smart did I?

But to expand satan promises powers and pleasures while on earth in exchange for the soul. Others are weak minded or have mental disorders so are easy prey for manipulation.

Who'd you hear from that Satan grants powers and pleasures? A satanist?

No its all a con don't you get it....I never said he GRANTS powers and pleasures I said he PROMISES. BUT HE LIES! don't you see? Its a con game to win more souls.

 

[Rachael]

Originally posted by: EGGO
Head on over to Bryn Mawr College. Yes, there are PLENTY.

Haha I was wondering if you would bring my lovely college into this discussion yes, there are people that believe in these religions. I really don't think that paganism (which is quite a broad term, come to think of it..) is necessarily any more ridiculous than Christianity. Perhaps there are fewer people who practice it which makes it seem less acceptable.