Are you buying Haswell?

[Aikouka]

Ugh, you guys are making me want to return the Extreme4 and get another board instead! One of the local stores has the UD5H, which is a bit overkill for me, but it would certainly be better.

 

[Bubba77]

Aik, i wouldnt fret the asrock. My build turned out great. Ill eventually OC very mildly so I didnt need an expensive board. I wanted more onboard usb and I got it. My main complaint is the case I chose. Main complaint with the motherboard is just seem wierd placement. I dont mind the sata port placement too much, more the fans.

 

[Aikouka]

Aik, i wouldnt fret the asrock. My build turned out great. Ill eventually OC very mildly so I didnt need an expensive board. I wanted more onboard usb and I got it. My main complaint is the case I chose. Main complaint with the motherboard is just seem wierd placement. I dont mind the sata port placement too much, more the fans.

Yeah, I was fretting it a little bit with the fairly high amount of negativity toward the board. I'm not usually the type that runs SLI or Crossfire, so I don't mind the configuration there. If I was using a huge air-based HSF, I would probably consider the thicker motherboard as well, but I'm currently using an AIO water cooler while deciding on whether I want to go fully custom. As long as the board doesn't have any issues with XMP 1.3 (DDR3-2400), I shouldn't have any problems.

Albeit, I appreciate the info none the less!

 

[Pocatello]

Like a lot of people, I'm going to get a new laptop with Haswell.

 

[rgallant]

now that haswell is out , I might tune the ib to 4.8 ,but as always a new bios dropped today so now I'll wait for it's feed back.
-re haswell lots of con's mostly from es samples same as ib when released. turned out to be on low side of the avg. oc'ing retail chips.

 

[Rvenger]

Well, my Asrock is going back to newegg. After 7 windows installs and swapped all the Sata cables, I ended up with a checkered screen in the bios after saving the settings. The mobo pins are not bent, the bios was updated, everything is in check, its just not booting into windows. I am done with asrock forever. This was the 3rd DOA I had with them in the last 3 months. This board is a flimsy piece of $%^&*.

Here I come MSI.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Where did you come up with 1yr warranty? The ones I glanced at all show as 3yr warranty.

They must of either made an error on Newegg or ASRock changed it, it's 3 years now, it was 1 year!!!!

 

[Aikouka]

Well, my Asrock is going back to newegg. After 7 windows installs and swapped all the Sata cables, I ended up with a checkered screen in the bios after saving the settings. The mobo pins are not bent, the bios was updated, everything is in check, its just not booting into windows. I am done with asrock forever. This was the 3rd DOA I had with them in the last 3 months. This board is a flimsy piece of $%^&*.

Here I come MSI.

I'm having some slight issues with mine as well, but it seems to only be in the BIOS. I'll be working in the BIOS, and all of a sudden, it locks up. After about 15 seconds, I get this weird alternating block pattern at the top of the screen. I did update my BIOS to the latest (1.5), and that didn't fix the problem. I am getting an "A6" on the Dr. Debug LED (an issue with the SATA6 (AMedia Port 0)) while in the BIOS, but it doesn't show it outside of the BIOS. I tried plugging a device into that port, and it actually hung up the system at POST. After that, I tried it in the eSATA port (same as AMedia Port 0), which worked fine, and then SATA6 worked fine. Who knows?

Although, I'm not super enthused with the board. One thing that bugs me is awful UEFI implementations, and ASRock's is pretty bad. I think it's faster to just use the old keyboard-only BIOS implementations than to use that pitiful piece of junk. The worst aspect is that the mouse scroll only changes to the next item in the list and very slowly at that.

EDIT:

Also, someone was talking about the board being 8x-4x-4x, but that's only if you're populating all three PCI-E 16x slots. The manual states that it's 16x-0-0, 8x-8x-0, or 8x-4x-4x.

 

[Demo24]

Any know of a site that done any sort of mobo review or even hands on?

 

[Painman]

No. I haven't even OCed my i5-2500k yet. Buy a new mobo for a new architechture that I don't even really need? Bleh.

It's always nice to see progress, but I no longer feel the need to ride the bleeding edge. I'm happy these days to lag a bit behind and let others be the guinea pigs.

 

[Haserath]

Wait for the IVY - E version coming in September.

Pay more for older technology?

Why would I do that?

 

[Arachnotronic]

Pay more for older technology?

Why would I do that?

Twice the memory bandwidth, a boatload more L3$, more cores...

What's not to like about Ivy-E?

 

[Rvenger]

I'm having some slight issues with mine as well, but it seems to only be in the BIOS. I'll be working in the BIOS, and all of a sudden, it locks up. After about 15 seconds, I get this weird alternating block pattern at the top of the screen. I did update my BIOS to the latest (1.5), and that didn't fix the problem. I am getting an "A6" on the Dr. Debug LED (an issue with the SATA6 (AMedia Port 0)) while in the BIOS, but it doesn't show it outside of the BIOS. I tried plugging a device into that port, and it actually hung up the system at POST. After that, I tried it in the eSATA port (same as AMedia Port 0), which worked fine, and then SATA6 worked fine. Who knows?

Although, I'm not super enthused with the board. One thing that bugs me is awful UEFI implementations, and ASRock's is pretty bad. I think it's faster to just use the old keyboard-only BIOS implementations than to use that pitiful piece of junk. The worst aspect is that the mouse scroll only changes to the next item in the list and very slowly at that.

EDIT:

Also, someone was talking about the board being 8x-4x-4x, but that's only if you're populating all three PCI-E 16x slots. The manual states that it's 16x-0-0, 8x-8x-0, or 8x-4x-4x.

Yep, I get that weird alternating block pattern too. Maybe the bios is bugged and need to wait for a stable release?? My vcore states 1.792v at stock which is somewhat bothersome.

 

[NTMBK]

Twice the memory bandwidth, a boatload more L3$, more cores...

What's not to like about Ivy-E?

The lack of modern instruction sets and massive L4$?

 

[chizow]

THG put up a basic review of many of the boards being discussed here. Nothing super in-depth, but should give a good overview of some of the different features of the boards and their layouts.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z87-haswell-motherboard-review,3524-31.html

Twice the memory bandwidth, a boatload more L3$, more cores...

What's not to like about Ivy-E?

I agree with the other poster, every time I looked at SB-E/X79 it just already looked like dated tech.

What's not to like = no guaranteed PCIe 3.0 functionality with Nvidia (reg hack doesn't work for all boards), no full SATA 6G, no native USB 3.0 controllers at all. Most importantly, 1.5 gens back compared to mainstream performance CPU arch.

I got tired of waiting for Intel's E platform after all the delays and stunts they pulled going back to Westmere being limited release, especially given the mainstream platform tends to perform as well or better overall. Only reason to go E platform imo is if you are going 3-way SLI/CF or higher.

 

[bgt]

Overpriced? Sounds like MSRP+VAT.

€ 312,-(4770K) is the cheapest I could find here VAT is always included here.

 

[ShintaiDK]

€ 312,-(4770K) is the cheapest I could find here VAT is always included here.

So its not overpriced.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Yep, I get that weird alternating block pattern too. Maybe the bios is bugged and need to wait for a stable release?? My vcore states 1.792v at stock which is somewhat bothersome.

Somewhat bothersome, sounds more like heart attack inducing.

 

[blackened23]

THG put up a basic review of many of the boards being discussed here. Nothing super in-depth, but should give a good overview of some of the different features of the boards and their layouts.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z87-haswell-motherboard-review,3524-31.html

That tom's Z87 motherboard review doesn't surprise me. I've seen friends go through painful experiences with other brands of boards but i've always used Asus and have never had one single problem for years, among many asus boards through several generations.

It's not surprising that the Asus Z87 pro won in that tom's motherboard roundup - maybe this sounds lame but i've always been super pleased with quality of their mainstream (eg pro, deluxe) motherboards. They also have some great user forums and staff that is helpful in terms of giving advice to users about optimizing overclocks - one such example is the extensive Z87 overclock guide that JJ from Asus created. I don't see other board manufacturers doing things like that, going the extra mile. Reading the horror stories here and elsewhere about ASrock boards makes me appreciate them that much more - sounds like the Asus Z87 pro is the way to go for a 200$ range Z87 board.

 

[Kenmitch]

They must of either made an error on Newegg or ASRock changed it, it's 3 years now, it was 1 year!!!!

Well I think it was a rush to get all the new items up and available for purchase thing most likely.

When I looked both microcenter and newegg showed 3yrs.

Looking at the Haswell xeons there is no mention of turbo speeds still but they all have them.

That tom's Z87 motherboard review doesn't surprise me. I've seen friends go through painful experiences with other brands of boards but i've always used Asus and have never had one single problem for years, among many asus boards through several generations.

It's not surprising that the Asus Z87 pro won in that tom's motherboard roundup - maybe this sounds lame but i've always been super pleased with quality of their mainstream (eg pro, deluxe) motherboards. They also have some great user forums and staff that is helpful in terms of giving advice to users about optimizing overclocks - one such example is the extensive Z87 overclock guide that JJ from Asus created. I don't see other board manufacturers doing things like that, going the extra mile. Reading the horror stories here and elsewhere about ASrock boards makes me appreciate them that much more - sounds like the Asus Z87 pro is the way to go for a 200$ range Z87 board.

Asus is rumored to have worked some magic on some of it's boards allowing up to 200bclk. Not sure which boards but does seem interesting.

Wondering what the performance benefit of bclk is at the same overall overclock. Very little info on it at this time. Some have tried and failed so it makes me wonder.

Overall it kinda looks like Haswell is somewhat off to a shakey start at least. Maybe uEFI updates are needed to cure some of the issues.

 

[Rvenger]

Asus is rumored to have worked some magic on some of it's boards allowing up to 200bclk. Not sure which boards but does seem interesting.

Probably ROG boards..

 

[Vesku]

Looks like boutique overclocked system makers aren't very happy with retail Haswell. There is some inference that these companies had higher expectations due to the testing done with Haswell Engineering Samples:

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/382267/intel-haswell-hotter-and-slower-than-expected

 

[Haserath]

Twice the memory bandwidth, a boatload more L3$, more cores...

What's not to like about Ivy-E?

Those hardly matter for most desktop tasks.

Haswell will have more performance most of the time and for less cost. Intel just doesn't have a SKU I want.

It sucks that they charge more for the overclocking model and remove quite a bit from it. I don't want to get milked.:\

 

[blackened23]

Twice the memory bandwidth, a boatload more L3$, more cores...

What's not to like about Ivy-E?

It's going to be a great CPU, but it won't magically overclock better than existing 22nm parts. The problem is the same, but worse: you're dissipating heat from a smaller surface area, therefore temperatures will be higher - IB-E will theoretically have even higher temps than IB due to the additional cores. Can't bypass physics.

I'm kinda bummed that rumors indicate that no new platform will accompany IB-E, apparently vr-zone is reporting that x79 will persist until 2H 2014. OTOH, Haswell-E was bumped up to 2H 2014, so that's definitely good news.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I would have gone with the Asus Pro, I really liked my P67 Pro board.

However because of the combo on Newegg, I didn't think it was worth $30 more than the GD65.

I don't need bluetooth or Wifi or any of the extra options on it.

Not to take anything away from the Pro, if it was as good as my p67 it's a great board... My p67 Pro took my i5-2500k to 5.5GHz @ 1.525v