Armed Assault 2 (ARMA2)

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TehMac

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Yes, they said it a couple times, it's been floating around the web for a while.

In fact, the outrage at the DICE forums prompted that statement, while around 6 months ago, DICE said they had 5 Battlefield Projects in the get-go. So, including BF: Bad Company, BF: Heroes, BF: 1943, BF: BC2, that's 4 out of 5.

There's one left.
 
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Here's an awesome idea, why doesn't dice just announce BF3 if they've been working on it? Who wants to study press releases to hope they might stumble on some obscure hint that there may be a battlefield sequal. Not me, this game looks like it has potential and the developer is talking about it.
 

TehMac

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I think DICE wants to, but EA is controlling them. I am just as irritated as you, but my guess is that they haven't gotten all the kinks worked out yet.
 

Coldkilla

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Spreaking of press releases. Bohemia released this official statement yesterday, about Codemasters trotting around as if they made the original Operation Flashpoint. Claiming that members of their team were originally involved with the original Flashpoint (which is completely false), then they declare that this is the "official sequel to the original Operation Flashpoint", when it was 100% made by Bohemia, not by Codemasters. So how can it be a true sequel if you never even made the first one for it to even become a sequel?

Source (Official Post)

BOHEMIA INTERACTIVE MADE THE FOLLOWING PRESS RELEASE TODAY:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

THE NAME GAME: CODEMASTERS? MARKETING OF NEW ?OPERATION FLASHPOINT? CREATES CONFUSION, PROVOKES PROTEST

Is the upcoming Codemasters game really ?the much anticipated return of the genre-defining military conflict simulator? Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis?

Is it really ?the official sequel to the multi-award winning Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis??

Bohemia Interactive says: ?No! What matters is the game, not the name.?




Prague, Czech Republic, February 26, 2009 - In a letter from its attorneys to the English company The Codemasters Software Company Ltd, Bohemia Interactive Studio s.r.o., the leading Czech-based independent games developer, is protesting Codemasters? marketing tactics which tout Codemasters? upcoming game Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising as the ?return of? or ?official sequel to? the genre-defining game Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis.

The award-winning Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis was created by Bohemia Interactive in 1997-2001. Bohemia Interactive licensed its creation to Codemasters to publish and distribute. Although Codemasters owns the ?Operation Flashpoint? trade mark and plans to release its new game under that title, Bohemia Interactive has always owned 100% of the original OFP game. Bohemia also provided gaming community complete set of editing tools and on-going support that turned the original OFP into one of the most modded PC games ever. Codemasters owns only the name ? and Bohemia Interactive wants fans to understand that Codemasters? new game is not from the same development team that brought them the classic original.

?In the license agreement, Bohemia Interactive expressly reserved the exclusive right to develop sequels to the original OFP game,? says Leora Herrmann of Kluger, Peretz, Kaplan & Berlin, PL in Miami, attorneys for Bohemia Interactive. ?Codemasters also acknowledged that Bohemia owns all the intellectual property in the game ? except the words ?Operation Flashpoint?,? adds Herrmann.

?Since Codemasters has no right to use the Bohemia Interactive game engine or any other component of the Bohemia-developed game, how can it rightfully claim to produce a ?sequel??? asks Bohemia Interactive CEO Marek Spanel.

Because Codemasters owns the trade mark ?Operation Flashpoint,? Bohemia Interactive cannot use the name for its own sequels. Instead, ArmA, released in 2007 and already adopted by the modding community, is powered by the second generation of the Bohemia game engine. Bohemia Interactive is currently working on its latest revolutionary re-creation of modern military conflict ? ArmA II, due out later this year? which will be powered by the third generation of its engine and is based on the same original design concepts and artistic style of Bohemia Interactive?s legendary releases OFP: Cold War Crisis and OFP: Resistance.

In fact, the ground-breaking game engine that Bohemia Interactive launched initially in OFP: Cold War Crisis has spawned not only ArmA and the upcoming state-of-the-art ArmA II, but in its most sophisticated incarnation to date also powers Bohemia Interactive?s VBS combat training simulators used by armed forces around the world, including the recently announced Game After Ambush training program for the US Army.

?We can?t stop Codemasters from releasing a game using the words ?Operation Flashpoint,?? acknowledged Spanel. ?But it is not right to promote this game as the ?official sequel to the multi-award winning Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis? or the ?return? of Bohemia Interactive?s ?genre-defining military conflict simulator.? The awards were given for the game created by Bohemia Interactive - not to a name.?

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About Bohemia Interactive. Bohemia Interactive is an independent game development company. The company focuses on developing state of the art computer software and researching advanced real time 3D graphics, artificial intelligence and other state-of-the-art technologies for interactive environments in computer games and simulators. For more information about the company visit www.bistudio.com
 

minmaster

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Originally posted by: TehMac
Yes, they said it a couple times, it's been floating around the web for a while.

In fact, the outrage at the DICE forums prompted that statement, while around 6 months ago, DICE said they had 5 Battlefield Projects in the get-go. So, including BF: Bad Company, BF: Heroes, BF: 1943, BF: BC2, that's 4 out of 5.

There's one left.

the one left is a game they're working on with neowiz of korea, exclusively for the korean market.

in fact, 2 videos came out today and the game is called battlefield online, so no it will not be BF3. again, this game is only for the korean market lol.

check out these videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzvZnIhoYDo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FTWjBmYMbs

visit: http://www.battlefieldonline.co.kr/ (have to use IE)
 

erwos

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ARMA2 sounds pretty good. ARMA1 had been appealing to me, but I was put off by the poor reviews.
 
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Originally posted by: minmaster
Originally posted by: TehMac
Yes, they said it a couple times, it's been floating around the web for a while.

In fact, the outrage at the DICE forums prompted that statement, while around 6 months ago, DICE said they had 5 Battlefield Projects in the get-go. So, including BF: Bad Company, BF: Heroes, BF: 1943, BF: BC2, that's 4 out of 5.

There's one left.

the one left is a game they're working on with neowiz of korea, exclusively for the korean market.

in fact, 2 videos came out today and the game is called battlefield online, so no it will not be BF3. again, this game is only for the korean market lol.

check out these videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzvZnIhoYDo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FTWjBmYMbs

visit: http://www.battlefieldonline.co.kr/ (have to use IE)

These video's look exactly like BF2 what's the deal here the maps even appear to be real similar. Why wouldn't they just sell BF2?
 

mwmorph

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Originally posted by: Coldkilla
Spreaking of press releases. Bohemia released this official statement yesterday, about Codemasters trotting around as if they made the original Operation Flashpoint. Claiming that members of their team were originally involved with the original Flashpoint (which is completely false), then they declare that this is the "official sequel to the original Operation Flashpoint", when it was 100% made by Bohemia, not by Codemasters. So how can it be a true sequel if you never even made the first one for it to even become a sequel?

Source (Official Post)

Who cares? :roll:

First you say OFP2 is going to be worse than ARMA2 because of a couple screen shots showing the graphical style of the game, now you're ragging on it because Codemasters is the publisher and not "official" dev of OFP1.

Take off your fanboy hat and why not actually wait for both games to come out before complaining about "art style" and "naming technicalities". KOTOR 2 was developed by another studio, so was Fallout 3 and both were great games.

Saying essentially "OMG WTF ROFL TEH ART DIRECTION RUINS THIS GAME 50billion thumbs DOWN!!!1!11 " makes no sense and sounds incredibly, ignorant and stupid.

OFP was good. ARMA was an absolute flaming pile of dog crap. Bohemia has a 1/2 track record, Codemasters, 0/0, either way, it's way too far in advance to say.

We get it, you're a ARMA fanboy and btw, the link you posted is essentially a pissing contest between the 2 dev teams, names don't mean shit, both graphical styles look fine, the real gameplay, something that hasn't even been demoed yet is the real deciding factor in this genre.

I just find it amazing someone is out there trying to sway opinions with absolutely zero substantial evidence.
 

Coldkilla

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I know I have been comparing some of their graphics. While I implied that some of the graphics were inferior towards Arma2's, I should have been more clear as to what I was saying earlier:

Originally posted by: Coldkilla
Graphics really don't matter all that much in my opinion, its all about gameplay. So once we see OFP2's actual gameplay we can start comparing the two. Until then, we have a lot of Armed Assault 2 gameplay footage running around the internets.

Apparently, that isn't clear enough. I'll try and be more clear next time. I never said:
1. OFP2 is going to be worse than ARMA2 because of a couple screen shots showing the graphical style of the game
2. That I'm "ragging" on codemasters because they the publisher and not "official" dev of OFP1

The post of mine that your quoting is a summary of the extended quote from the Lead Developer of Bohemia Interactive... so those aren't "my words". I never said what was in the quote. Never did, yet your implying it. The reason it was posted was because it was an official "press release", released to major gaming publications.. thats one of the places where I first found it in the first place.

So, the only reason I talk about the graphical comparisons is because thats all there is to go on when comparing these two games. Once both of the games have shown the nuts and bolts on how their games work - then we can start making fair compairsons.

I personally prefer we keep the OFP2 discussion out of this thread anyway. Once these two games come up in discussion - a war of words is often exchanged.. I too am looking forward to OFP2 gameplay and until them it's not my place to judge on its final quality.. the same goes for Arma2.



New video tomorrow
 

mwmorph

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Originally posted by: Coldkilla
I know I have been comparing some of their graphics. While I implied that some of the graphics were inferior towards Arma2's, I should have been more clear as to what I was saying earlier:

Originally posted by: Coldkilla
Graphics really don't matter all that much in my opinion, its all about gameplay. So once we see OFP2's actual gameplay we can start comparing the two. Until then, we have a lot of Armed Assault 2 gameplay footage running around the internets.

Apparently, that isn't clear enough. I'll try and be more clear next time. I never said:
1. OFP2 is going to be worse than ARMA2 because of a couple screen shots showing the graphical style of the game
2. That I'm "ragging" on codemasters because they the publisher and not "official" dev of OFP1

The post of mine that your quoting is a summary of the extended quote from the Lead Developer of Bohemia Interactive... so those aren't "my words". I never said what was in the quote. Never did, yet your implying it. The reason it was posted was because it was an official "press release", released to major gaming publications.. thats one of the places where I first found it in the first place.

So, the only reason I talk about the graphical comparisons is because thats all there is to go on when comparing these two games. Once both of the games have shown the nuts and bolts on how their games work - then we can start making fair compairsons.

I personally prefer we keep the OFP2 discussion out of this thread anyway. Once these two games come up in discussion - a war of words is often exchanged.. I too am looking forward to OFP2 gameplay and until them it's not my place to judge on its final quality.. the same goes for Arma2.



New video tomorrow

Really?
Operation Flashpoint 2 will tank. Screenshot released yesterday:
http://www.ofp2.info/ftp/pics/...pics1/ofp2chopper3.jpg
-Codemasters ether has a lot of work to do, or they are screwed. Major public relations release coming on the 20th.

Compared to Armed Assault Ariel:
http://www.armedassault.info/f.../OfpArmaArma2comp3.jpg
"Codemasters ether has a lot of work to do, or they are screwed. "

Spreaking of press releases. Bohemia released this official statement yesterday, about Codemasters trotting around as if they made the original Operation Flashpoint. Claiming that members of their team were originally involved with the original Flashpoint (which is completely false), then they declare that this is the "official sequel to the original Operation Flashpoint", when it was 100% made by Bohemia, not by Codemasters. So how can it be a true sequel if you never even made the first one for it to even become a sequel?

Now you're trying to deny that OFP2 can be a real sequel, as if you want to push it to the side and discredit it before anyone even has any decent preview experience.

You're just against OFP2 it's not like you can cover that up, its obvious, it sounds like you're from the ARMA2 marketing team.

ARMA 2 sounds fine, but its not like OFP2 is going to be bad, hell, Codemasters is imo a hell of a better dev house than Bohemia.

Bohemia has never released a polished game, OFP is good but had so many niggles holding it back, ARMA's AI could be nicely referred to as moderately retarded compared to most apes and they still haven't fixed the command interface system to be actually intuitive in the heat of battle. That and weapon recoil is utterly unrealistic, as if your character has rubber bands for arms.

Codemasters on the other hand has recently developed TOCA/Grid/Colin McRae which proves that if they want to make a decent game, they actually can make a very nice, polished title, add to the fact that the GRID Neon engine is extremely powerful and runs great for how nice it look and i have no doubt OFP 2 is going to be much more polished and look better than Arma2.

As for the all important gameplay, besides marketing videos, the has not been a single in depth look into any gameplay aspects from any reputable sources about either regarding anything close to the final release of both games.
 

Martimus

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I am just glad that both ARMA 2 and OF2 are being released soon. I haven't played a realistic shooter since I lost my original Operation Flashpoint CD a few years ago. I have that itch, and now I will have two games to scratch it with. I can only hope that at least one of them is fun and well made.
 

Coldkilla

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Originally posted by: Martimus
I am just glad that both ARMA 2 and OF2 are being released soon. I haven't played a realistic shooter since I lost my original Operation Flashpoint CD a few years ago. I have that itch, and now I will have two games to scratch it with. I can only hope that at least one of them is fun and well made.

Yea, its been too long. I stopped playing Arma a few months back, decided on waiting for Arma2. Their forums have been down all day and they have missed the deadline on the weekly video release. I'm sure its all connected. Hopefully they'll upgrade their forums like they've been promising for about 2 years now... they're over 8+ years old, and completely suck.
 

jtvang125

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I think it takes a certain individual to enjoy these types of realistic fps. I was a R6 fan since the very beginning so when OFP and ArmA came out I enjoyed them too. However with ArmA it wasn't always easy sailing with the bugs and super enemy AI but dumb as bricks friendly AI. I swear there were so many times I wanted smash my keyboard over my computer because of these issues.

Hopefully they'll greatly improve in ArmA 2, especially with the AI. Not sure how OFP 2 is going to turn out though. Codemasters may have a better track record with games but most of them are racing games. IIRC OFP was developed by BI and only published by Codemasters so I don't ever remember them developing a well known fps.
 

JTsyo

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Was there any word on the release time frame? Didn't see anything on the main page with a quick look.
 

GullyFoyle

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It was announced yesterday that the release date for ARMA II has been moved forward a week, to June 19th. I'm sure the OP will be updating shortly.
 

Coldkilla

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Sure thing.

Edit: Updated. I should note some of the other country release dates as well:

Release dates (according to publishers):
Germany, Austria, Switzerland: May, 29th
Czech Republic, Slovak Republic: June 17th
France : TBA
Poland : TBA
Hungary: TBA
Rest of Europe (505Games area): June 19th
Rest of Europe (SeVeN M area): TBA
North America: TBA
Russia: TBA
Australia: TBA
Rest of World: TBA

505 Games Website Showing the 19th.

The message from the 505 games representative:

Hi All

BUSY BUSY DAY! some breaking news for you all! The release date for ArmA 2 has been brough forward to the 19th June.. press release below.

As the guys over at 505 and BI have been busy with this news today, I will be tomorrow when I can come back to your question! Sorry! But I hope the news of getting the game sooner is a good trade off


ARMA II Release Date Bought Forward

Milton Keynes, 18th May 2009 - 505 Games and Bohemia Interactive are thrilled to announce that the release date for the upcoming tactical military simulator ArmA II forward by precisely one week, to 19th June 2009. Fans eagerly awaiting their next foray into the world beating tactical action the ArmA series has become renowned for now have just over one month to wait.

Featuring the most realistic warfare gameplay ever, ArmA II promises to build on the excellent features that have made Bohemia Interactive a respected name among both gamers and the US army, who use a modified version to train recruits for combat situations. Team-based combat, a comprehensive playbook of military tactics and an enormous battlefield to explore are just some of the features that will make this THE military simulation of choice this year.

ArmA II will be released on 19th June exclusively for PC. For all the latest information please visit http://www.arma2.com

Ultimate military simulator, for the ultimate combat experience.
 
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Good news, I will most likely wait for a real review. I've seen some mentions its a bit buggy but not horribly so. Steam is great news though.
 

Coldkilla

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Originally posted by: minmaster
i hope its not being rushed and actually works unlike ARMA 1.

Arma1, even the developers admit it was not a finished game. It was only in its alpha stages when it was released. However, it was ether release it when they did - or go bankrupt. With Arma2, they've had years to work on it, the funds from Arma1, and started with a firm foot on the ground already with Arma2's engine architecture branching off from Arma1.

So by all accounts, it hasn't been rushed.
 
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Arma1 was one of the biggest pieces of shit I've ever had the misfortune of playing. Think I'll give this one a miss unless it gets stellar reviews.
 
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