Discussion Arrow Lake Builder's thread

[gdansk]

And now it is $270 on Amazon for a 265K. Not as good as Newegg's deal but if you don't want ugly gamer memory it may be cheaper. That's a price that I think kills anything but the very high end AMD parts for multi-use DIY PC.

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I am worried about Intel. Between this, the B580, and very cheap 226V laptops their consumer margin might be plummeting this year. Or perhaps TSMC is cheaper than claimed.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Or maybe the refresh CPUs are currently in mass production so they need to clear out inventory. I hope that's the real reason.

 

[511]

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I am worried about Intel. Between this, the B580, and very cheap 226V laptops their consumer margin might be plummeting this year. Or perhaps TSMC is cheaper than claimed.

TSMC is not cheaper than Intel manufacturing same thing in their own fabs also for B580 i worry that Intel will redirect All the dies to AI Cards.

 

[coercitiv]

My wishlist for 385K:

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But considering their current state, we probably won't get any of that. Maybe a 100 MHz speed bump on every K SKU if we are lucky.

Typical @igor_kavinski : wishes for the most outrageous product, then says "no thx" at the end.

 

[511]

Yeah this is even more difficult than 18A getting Foundry Customers

 

[alcoholbob]

Is there any plan to push DDR5 speeds over 10K? Like at least 11,000 MT/s? Preferably in 64 or 96GB configurations that don't cost $1000? Only way I can see this platform being slightly interesting.

I assume Nova Lake will support DDR6, which may make it a usable gaming platform if reported speeds of 16,800 MT/s range become commercially available (and assuming AMD choses to gimp itself memory speed-wise again next gen).

 

[igor_kavinski]

Is there any plan to push DDR5 speeds over 10K? Like at least 11,000 MT/s? Preferably in 64 or 96GB configurations that don't cost $1000? Only way I can see this platform being slightly interesting.

It will be a miracle if the Core 300 series is able to run Gear 2 XMP 128GB DDR5-10000 kit reliably and consistently. No boot failures. Rock stable. If they manage to do that, they deserve an all expenses paid nice vacation to relax.

Current CUDIMM experience is a joke. Blatant lies. People with 9600 kits can barely make it to 9200 Gear 2.

 

[511]

Is there any plan to push DDR5 speeds over 10K? Like at least 11,000 MT/s? Preferably in 64 or 96GB configurations that don't cost $1000? Only way I can see this platform being slightly interesting.

DMR Server DDR5 has been planned to be pushed to be upto 12800MT/s using MRDIMMs and Both Zen6 and DMR are supposed to be 16Channel platform.

I assume Nova Lake will support DDR6, which may make it a usable gaming platform if reported speeds of 16,800 MT/s range become commercially available (and assuming AMD choses to gimp itself memory speed-wise again next gen).

NVL is DDR5 8000 JEDEC From what I know with XMP I don't doubt it would be able to do 10K+

It will be a miracle if the Core 300 series is able to run Gear 2 XMP 128GB DDR5-10000 kit reliably and consistently. No boot failures. Rock stable. If they manage to do that, they deserve an all expenses paid nice vacation to relax.

Current CUDIMM experience is a joke. Blatant lies. People with 9600 kits can barely make it to 9200 Gear 2.

It's not that difficult considering the JEDEC Speed is 8000 for NVL if anything the real challenge would be 12K+ Memory Speed.

 

[igor_kavinski]

NVL is DDR5 8000 JEDEC From what I know with XMP I don't doubt it would be able to do 10K+

That's BORING considering how late NVL is going to be. They should push for 10000 JEDEC, even if it needs to be at CL58 for wider availability and cost reasons.

 

[511]

That's BORING considering how late NVL is going to be. They should push for 10000 JEDEC, even if it needs to be at CL58 for wider availability and cost reasons.

10K JEDEC is DDR6 lol

 

[igor_kavinski]

10K JEDEC is DDR6 lol

Isn't NVL going to be DDR6?

 

[511]

Isn't NVL going to be DDR6?

Nope DDR5 From what I know