ASUS P8Z68-V questions

soliloquist

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Hey there, am putting together a new intel build on the ASUS P8Z68-V mother board. Have some questions about the drivers that came with the board.

Intel Rapid Storage Technology Driver - this is for some sort of RAID setup?

Management Engine Interface - no idea what this is.

JMicron JMB36X Controller Driver - another RAID setup? If so whats the difference between this one and the first?

ASMedia USB 3.0 Driver - obviously this is for the USB 3.0 ports, but is this for the rear ports, the front header, or both?

Thanks for any help.
 

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If you have to ask these questions you are in a world of trouble.
The ASUS P67 Z68 mobo rollout are not just build and use happily ever after. There is a whole lot of homework to be done, even for expert users. As a matter of fact, this is the most difficult series so far to get working right, trouble free. Never seen anything like it before.
 

BonzaiDuck

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If you have to ask these questions you are in a world of trouble.
The ASUS P67 Z68 mobo rollout are not just build and use happily ever after. There is a whole lot of homework to be done, even for expert users. As a matter of fact, this is the most difficult series so far to get working right, trouble free. Never seen anything like it before.

Bankster, I don't need to tell YOU that you're 110% abso-freakin'-lutely posi-freakin'-tively correct. I need to tell Soliloquist.

Mr. Soliloquist: You got an absolutely great motherboard. And . . . probably . . . you can slap together your parts (if you've ever done this sort of thing before) -- keep the default settings, and it will work.

The board has three features that would seem to conflict if used together, but they don't.

The TPU is a special processor onboard which has a switch you can flip. The board will then go through several starts, stops or reboots until it finds the best "Turbo" settings for the system -- I think the default would be 3.8 Ghz or a multiplier of 38, maybe a bCLCK setting of 103 instead of 100. [[EDIT: I should mention this refers to the i7-2600K Sandy Bridge, which I have, so check specs on other SB processors. ]] It will not run at that speed after bootup at idle; it will appear to run at the stock processor speed. But when you load up the processor with stress-testing software or intensive gaming programs or whatever -- the new system will scale automatically -- the VCORE for the processor and the speed -- by pushing the multiplier up to the "Turbo" setting and running full bore -- stable.

I said -- "three." You can go into the UEFI-BIOS, set "Turbo mode" to "Manual," and tweak the mutliplier and bCLCK yourself. The last setting, whether through flipping the switch or just saving and resetting the BIOS -- will be the setting next attempted at bootup. It seems that the TPU still operates to find the optimal "auto" settings for the fixed parameters you entered.

You can then select the "OC Tuner" item in the AI Tweaker BIOS menu, and the machine will go "do its thing" that way, confusing you for a few minutes while it boots and reboots until it posts. Whatever settings you enter, if you fix certain things and leave other thngs at auto, it will find the right combination of unspecified settings and get you the best most stable OC. This completely reverses the old strategy of setting VCORE manually. We would never have thought about doing otherwise just a couple years ago. But it is a good idea -- on this motherboard -- to leave VCORE at "Auto," setting the other peripheral (but no less important) voltages to safe levels, and as we used to do -- choosing modest, expected-stable OC settings as you get started. In the case of this motherboard, the automatic VCORE feature is good for TURBO over-clocks up to about 4.3GHZ.

Third, you can tune it with the AI Suite "Turbo-EVO" software. And again -- the last setting saved is the operable setting at the next boot-time.

BUT -- Mr. Soliloquist -- IF you don't know what you're doing beyond leaving the BIOS alone with default "auto" settings and flipping that TPU switch, you could be in a world of hurt, as Bankster insinuates.

Based on what you've said, you have a pile of reading to do, and how much of a pile depends on how much of a quick study you are and how much over-clocking experience you have under your belt. For instance, here are some links from those I found, with some insights:

http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/908782-sandy-bridge-overclocking-guide-ocn-members.html

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?264300-Sandy-bridge-OC-Guide

http://www.asusrog.com/forums/showthread.php?2453-P67-Z68-BIOS-Guide-BASIC-Intermediate-Overclocking

http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/overclocking/39184-p67-sandy-bridge-overclocking-guide-beginners.html

THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THESE GUIDES ARE TOTALLY AUTHORITATIVE. FOR INSTANCE, "sxs112" WHO POSTS THE GUIDE FROM XTREMESYSTEMS.ORG, WANTS YOU TO BOOST THE VCORE IMMEDIATELY TO 1.45v AND FOLLOW HER/HIS FLOWCHART (LOOKS LIKE A HER!) I DISAGREE WITH THIS APPROACH, SINCE I BELIEVE THAT SETTING IS OUTSIDE THE "SAFE" RANGE ON THESE PROCESSORS.

YOU SHOULD READ THE "i7- Nehalem Overclocking" sticky here at Anandtech, just to familiarize yourself with the basic voltages, concepts like QPI, bCLCK, multiplier, etc.

With this board, and given what you've said, I'd take several weeks to do the reading -- and re-reading -- until the concepts sink in. You could still run the system at stock under auto settings during that time. And I would approach -- even the "auto" or artifically-"intelligent" overclocking cautiously.

If somebody gave you the keys to a robotic automobile, and told you if you punch in GPS coordinates, it would get you to your destination while you crawled into the back seat or the cargo-bay of an SUV and went to sleep -- would you do it? Hell, No, you wouldn't! So get familiar with the basic concepts before fiddling with either the BIOS or the software. And I would stay way, way AWAY from the AI-Suite "TurboEVO" software until you feel knowledgeable enough just to approach it cautiously. The only exception is the "Monitoring" software in Ai Suite. Apparently, even recent revisions of other monitoring programs (e.g., CPU_Z, or Core Temp) are not caught up to give accurate readings for other than temperature or VCORE through this Z68 chipset. Only the ASUS software will track your processor speed when "Turbo" over-clocking.

THE INTEL SMART RESPONSE TECHNOLOGY.

This allows you to pair an appropriately sized, appropriately fast SSD with any mainstream inexpensive hard disk -- even the terabyte drives no less -- so the SSD acts as an invisible cache to speed up the HDD to as much as 80% the speed of the SSD. You MUST install the Intel RAID drivers at OS installation; you must install the OS on only the hard disk without the SSD running; you before installing the OS, you MUST enable the HDD as "RAID" in the BIOS. The procedures for doing this can be found in review articles -- look for step-by-step guidelines from the reviewers. I believe you can also find the procedural advice at Intel's web-site.

After the OS is installed, you install the ISRT software and management software. And the technology will only work on INTEL drive controllers -- not Marvel or JBMicron.

Finally, as much as I hate to say it, the ASUS manual sucks, as all ASUS manuals have sucked from generation to generation and back through time. But -- READ THE MANUAL, "look stuff up" on the web like "ISRT" and "UEFI-BIOS."

Sit back, and contemplate how thorough your research and reading should be before you start d***ing around with the motherboard, its BIOS and software. Think of yourself as attempting to get an A+ in a difficult course, with nobody to teach you but yourself, and a library of information you should cross-check for accuracy, and re-read for comprehension.

Sorry for my tone, but I feel compelled to get you pointed in the right direction so you take care with this absolutely marvelous motherboard.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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A tad harsh, but yeah, what they said.

Yeah . . . and Soliloquist should understand -- we were a bit stunned at his questions. I can see how someone could simply pick a motherboard without doing too much advance work -- I had done that in years past myself.

So -- Soliloquist -- if you think my appraisal of your understanding is a gross underestimate, I'm sorry -- but I'd have little way of knowing otherwise.

By the way -- cannot see the data now while I'm posting this brief comment, but I thought Soliloquist had only posted a few times on the threads here . . .. so . . .

Welcome to Anandtech forums, Soliloquist!
 

soliloquist

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I will admit that I am not very familiar at all about OCing recent Intel chips. This is my 1st Intel build since my Pentium 200 MMX I have been strictly AMD for some time now, but bulldozer took too long and I jumped ship.

I am a long time Anandtech reader, but new to the forums.

Thanks for all the info, BonziaDuck that is quite a write up. But I must say that none of my questions have been answered. I would agree that the ASUS manual is terrible. I appreciate the info about the TPU and EPU, those were going to be some of my next questions. The manual mentions what they are, but does not explain how they work or any details. I will review what you wrote more thoroughly once I get everything setup and start playing with those features. I appreciate the OCing links but again I am not trying to OC things just yet. I am familiar with Intel Smart Response technology, but am not going to use it. I have a dedicated SSD for the OS and programs.

What I would like to know for now are:

Intel Rapid Storage Technology Driver - I reread the manual about the SATA connectors and it does mention Intel Rapid Storage Technology is used to set up RAID 0, 1, 5, and 10 for both the SATA 6.0 and 3.0 Gb/s.

Management Engine Interface - no idea what this is.

JMicron JMB36X Controller Driver - another RAID setup? If so whats the difference between this one and the first?

ASMedia USB 3.0 Driver - obviously this is for the USB 3.0 ports, but is this for the rear ports, the front header, or both?

Thanks for any help.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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I will admit that I am not very familiar at all about OCing recent Intel chips. This is my 1st Intel build since my Pentium 200 MMX I have been strictly AMD for some time now, but bulldozer took too long and I jumped ship.

I am a long time Anandtech reader, but new to the forums.

Thanks for all the info, BonziaDuck that is quite a write up. But I must say that none of my questions have been answered. I would agree that the ASUS manual is terrible. I appreciate the info about the TPU and EPU, those were going to be some of my next questions. The manual mentions what they are, but does not explain how they work or any details. I will review what you wrote more thoroughly once I get everything setup and start playing with those features. I appreciate the OCing links but again I am not trying to OC things just yet. I am familiar with Intel Smart Response technology, but am not going to use it. I have a dedicated SSD for the OS and programs.

What I would like to know for now are:

Intel Rapid Storage Technology Driver - I reread the manual about the SATA connectors and it does mention Intel Rapid Storage Technology is used to set up RAID 0, 1, 5, and 10 for both the SATA 6.0 and 3.0 Gb/s.

Management Engine Interface - no idea what this is.

JMicron JMB36X Controller Driver - another RAID setup? If so whats the difference between this one and the first?

ASMedia USB 3.0 Driver - obviously this is for the USB 3.0 ports, but is this for the rear ports, the front header, or both?

Thanks for any help.



Yeah -- you'd use the same driver just for conventional RAID on the INTEL ICH controller. Fact is -- you can use ISRT-SSD-caching to cache another RAID of HDDs on the same controller. The management software is a "front-end" -- not different much from the earlier Intel programs you'd occasionally use for RAID management and maintenance. Nothing puzzling. Not major concerns, even if you choose to set up conventional RAID for the HDDs and are either familiar with it or have done it before. You would go into the CTRL-I controller BIOS at boot time and create your array, then install the OS with the Intel RAID drivers provided by ASUS. only repeating: the SSD-caching is a peculiar implementation of "RAID0".

As for the Marvell and JMicron -- two controllers -- the Marvell has two ports, so at most -- can be used for RAID0 or RAID1 or some variant that requires only two HDDs. I'm pretty sure the JMicron is the eSATA controller. Also nothing to be puzzled about.

EDIT: Just to be succinct -- these are different controllers, of different manufacture, requiring separate drivers and other than the Intel ICH drivers for the Intel controller. The Intel controller gives you the white SATA-III plugs and some light-blue-colored SATA-II's. The Marvell controller runs the dark-blue SATA-III plugs.

I disabled JMicron for the time being. Since I have both SATA-III plugs occupied by the ISRT SSD and accelerated HDD, I've put two cables on the Intel SATA-II plugs for hot-swap or external SATA-II through my Coolermaster front-panel. Since I want to add one more internal SATA-III HDD, that leaves me only one choice: the Marvell controller, which is SATA-III-capable.

Just as Bankster said -- we're still getting familiar with these boards. The ASUS software installs the Asmedia driver automatically -- or otherwise without event or problem (especially if you don't want Norton IS installed with all the the ASUS drivers and software.)

I wouldn't worry much about which USB3. I'd guess that the ports at the I/O plate are Intel -- drivers provided with the chipset software. The onboard 20-pin plug for the PCI-plate USB3 is probably the Asmedia.

Incidentally, and while I'm very voluble and animated today with about 16 shots of imported Expresso: One guy noted that he had to "buy a different case" that featured front-panel USB3 ports. That's silly!

Basically, there are two possibilities. You either buy the P8Z68-Deluxe to get their own 3.5" front-panel box which plugs directly to the mobo, or you spend $20+ and buy a Koutech or other decently rated 4-port USB3 front-panel hub. All those front-panel devices are "Kludges" that make you run a cable out the back PCI plate so it can plug in to a USB 3 port at the IO/plate. Soooo . . . STOOOO-pid!! as Dexter says to Dee-Dee.

You can either make up your own 20-pin plug and shielded cable to plug onto the motherboard, or just detach the metal PCI plate from the accompanying [ASUS mobo] cable with USB3 ports, plug that cable into the 20-pin motherboard USB3 port, then plug the Koutech (or whatever) regular USB cable into that, and connect it to the [Koutech, whatever) front-panel circuit board. Wrap the metal connection in self-adhesive rubber automotive hose-bandage, and you have a "neat" USB3 front-panel access of four ports for the cost of two on the rear PCI plate. And fact is: since the cable you removed from that PCI plate assembly has two ports, you could hook a second USB3 front-panel HUB to that. And I emphasize -- you want a USB3 front-panel HUB.

With that, you lost two rear PCI-slot USB3 ports and gained eight for net gain of six -- probably for around $50 total if you keep looking . . . maybe . . . eventually . . . less. . . .

And there you are. . . .
 
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BonzaiDuck

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Oh . . . sorry . . . one more thing. IF you're NOT going to use even a conventional RAID array off the Intel controller or don't intend so in the future, than you need to configure BIOS to use AHCI-mode for that controller and drives -- then -- same way -- it should offer you the AHCI driver if you have USB flash with the drivers connected when you start installing the OS.

Apparently, AHCI and RAID can be switched back and forth, and you could have a RAID array configured as well as a single drive independently if RAID is selected in BIOS.

So that's just some periphera about driver installation.

As you know, there's an insert in the manual about IDE-mode drive setup and problems for converting from IDE to AHCI. No such problem between AHCI and RAID. At this stage of the technology for SATA, I'd just avoid IDE configuration like the plague. What for? I'd ask . . . .
 

soliloquist

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Wow, again you have some detailed answers...

I found in the manual about the JMicron JMB362 SATA controller being for the eSATA port on the back (just as you said). Thanks.

Also found the ASMedia USB 3.0 controller does both the front panel header and the 2 rear ports (blue). I don't actually have any USB 3.0 devices yet but always good to be prepared

I think there has been a little confusion, I have the P8Z68-V not the pro or deluxe so I do not have the Marvell controller for the additional 2 SATA III ports. Only the 2 provided by the intel chipset.

Still don't know what the hell "Management Engine Interface" is???
 

MTDEW

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Still don't know what the hell "Management Engine Interface" is???
SOURCE

The Intel Management Engine Interface (Intel ME Interface) is the interface between the Intel Management Engine firmware and the system. Drivers and applications of the system, which communicate with the Intel Management Engine through the system interface to use, plus the Windows driver for the Intel ME Interface.

If you are unable to display BCLK properly, not able to overclock under the OS (including Auto Tuning)…etc, please ensure the Intel MEI driver from the support CD or latest version from Intel has been installed. All controls related to the CPU are controlled by the MEI under the OS and several even in UEFI mode.
I think this is a must install under the Sandybridge platform even if you manually overclock.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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Thanks, MTDEW.

Somehow, I thought it was the software interface for managing RAID arrays for the INtel controller. "Matrix Storage Technology," or whatever that previous interface was called some few years back.

As I said in another thread -- there seems to be something lacking with forum activity over the Sandy Bridge and these newest motherboards. I was saying that we need to have some really focused mobo-specific threads, and it was just a thought.

For instance, I've got this far: OC'ing the ASUS Z68 mobo in "turbo mode" with EIST enabled. I may only imagine that enabling "mild power-saving" in the power management BIOS feature has reduced temperatures and voltage just a tad. I cannot verify that. Also, I think it's possible to keep EIST enabled, raise the "non-Turbo" clock speed base, and keep the "Turbo" overclocking with dynamically adjusted VCORE. But I'm not "there" yet.

As for Soliloquist and the lack of the Marvel SATA ports, not really much lost there. Someone else had pointed out to me that this was what the "V" version cost you for it costing less. Point being: I've known -- still know people who go all hot-dawg about using all their features simultaneously, loading up the system with dual raid arrays, running six disk drives and 10 cooling fans.

I think it's better to think of a "strategy:" Fastest HDD speed, less power consumption, less complexity. If I only had the "V" board, I would've added my second hard disk as an SATA-II Samsung F3 for video captures, movies, etc. That would STILL have been fast enough. But since I have the Marvel controllers and an SATA-III spare half the size of the F3, I'll use the Marvel controller.

If I can reduce power consumption and get an HDD (or "IRST" accelerated HDD) that seems faster than the last four-drive array I have running in another system, then I've succeeded.

I'm still in awe of this motherboard. Right now, Asus' monitor reports CPU frequency of 1,650 Mhz -- what you'd expect with active EIST. Load up the processor enough, it just soars up to 4.3 Ghz something, never misses a lick. I have great hopes that this mobo is very "tweakable" to give some very elegant overclocking configurations -- not trying to keep up with the Jones's race to get past 5.0 Ghz -- although that could be do-able.

But I like the idea of all these dynamic features -- which, as I said, seem to be reliable within a certain over-clock envelope. Time -- and "intel" from other users . . . . will tell . . .
 

sygyzy

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Wow great thread. Confession: I think I might be the guy who wanted a new case with USB3.0 ports. Oops. I didn't know!
 

BonzaiDuck

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Wow great thread. Confession: I think I might be the guy who wanted a new case with USB3.0 ports. Oops. I didn't know!

Old F**t that I am, I'm having an epiphany of regret, reviewing my past life, episodes of thoughtlessness, a careless tongue. . . .

And -- HEY! LOOK! This can be about built-in biases given . . . "Where we're comin' from . . . " In my past white-collar life, I had hobnobbed with ex-con car-mechanics during weekends -- whose parents' careers easily typified Wage-Board government employees who did "sheet-metal work." I never thought at that time . . . I'd ever do "sheet-metal work." But some visiting here three years ago may remember my case-mod transformation of a 1994 Compaq ProLiant Server case. . . by way of . . . sheet-metal work. So I'm always leaning toward the DIY angle.

And also . . . just days past . . . one of our number stopped short of scolding me for my over-enthusiastic choice to purchase a 3-pack of a certain Windows 7 flavor, when I might have saved myself $80 with a different strategy.

So I must offer you . . . Sygyzy . . . . my most humble apologies . . . tearfully repentant . . .
 

BonzaiDuck

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Some more info that will be useful.

This Asus bios guide looks pretty good.

I use a negative offset voltage on my SB overclocks since i think its a much better way to go than a fixed voltage or auto-voltage for overclocking.
Here is a good basic guide and explanation why.
Overclocking Using Offset Mode for CPU Core Voltage

Man! You have really offered useful stuff here! I had been thinking about that issue and the use of the Offset-mode for a good week or more. I will read those links, for sure!

Here's another bit of news, which another P8Z68 "questions" thread would also find interesting. We had compared some motherboard choices. Tom's Hardware just came in with a comparison review of ASUS, AsRock and Gigabyte, superceding their ASUS P8Z68-V-Pro review of a couple weeks earlier. The feature that edges ASUS into second-place is a limitation on the PCI-E slots per the usage of the x4 slot. I had seen a similar shortcoming when comparing a 680i board they made against an eVGA 780i, although no guarantees that the 780i chipset had as much to do with it. Apparently ASrock resolved the slot-usage limitation with a "PCI_E bridge."
 

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Oh . . . sorry . . . one more thing. IF you're NOT going to use even a conventional RAID array off the Intel controller or don't intend so in the future, than you need to configure BIOS to use AHCI-mode for that controller and drives -- then -- same way -- it should offer you the AHCI driver if you have USB flash with the drivers connected when you start installing the OS.

Apparently, AHCI and RAID can be switched back and forth, and you could have a RAID array configured as well as a single drive independently if RAID is selected in BIOS.

So that's just some periphera about driver installation.

As you know, there's an insert in the manual about IDE-mode drive setup and problems for converting from IDE to AHCI. No such problem between AHCI and RAID. At this stage of the technology for SATA, I'd just avoid IDE configuration like the plague. What for? I'd ask . . . .

You know, I never even looked into this whole IDE vs AHCI. Never really messed in BIOS besides adjusting RAM timings or boot order settings so never thought about this

I did some quick searches online - it looks like it's a painless registry change in Windows to switch? Can you elaborate on the problems you're referring to?

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244840-32-convert-sata-ahci-vista

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244840-32-convert-sata-ahci-vista

The two links above make it sound very easy to make the siwtch and I intend to do it tonight.
 

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You know, I never even looked into this whole IDE vs AHCI. Never really messed in BIOS besides adjusting RAM timings or boot order settings so never thought about this

I did some quick searches online - it looks like it's a painless registry change in Windows to switch? Can you elaborate on the problems you're referring to?

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244840-32-convert-sata-ahci-vista

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244840-32-convert-sata-ahci-vista

The two links above make it sound very easy to make the siwtch and I intend to do it tonight.

I avoided these IDE versus ACHI troubles when I built one system three years ago and set up a 3Ware-AMCC 9650-SE controller as RAID5. But I may have had trouble one time for a single disk installation as "IDE." And fact is, I should probably re-check my WHS server, because those drives may have been configured in IDE mode when it was built in 2009.

Once the drive is set up as IDE, there is this terrible problem of converting once the OS has been installed. There IS reference to a "fix" in a single-page insert to the P8Z68 manual, with reference to some Microsoft web-links/knowledge-base. Unless some disks will be in RAID array (with others used independently but in RAID mode), you WANT AHCI configured at minimum so you can avail of the NCQ and other advanced features of the (not so) newer hard disks. RAID would also allow for that.

Even so, I MUST UPDATE my assessment about ACHI versus RAID. Apparently, even though switching between these two in BIOS has been assessed by some here as "harmless" or "essentially equivalent" for single-drives, others have spoken to boot problems.

The answer to this is really quite simple. IF you plan even eventually to use any kind of RAID or ISRT's HDD drive-caching with an SSD, set the BIOS to RAID. It is a mode that is effective for the entire controller. It still allows you to configure a couple drives in RAID0 and additional single drives not used in a RAID array. Or it would allow you to cache one HDD with ISRT/SSD and use another drive by itself uncached.

So RAID is totally optimal unless you NEVER, EVER plan to create a conventional RAID array and choose ACHI mode. HOWEVER, if there is ANY problem booting from a drive with OS installed in RAID mode (the BIOS setup) and then switched to AHCI, then the interim fix I confirmed with Intel Customer Support the other day for TRIM will not work, and we will have to wait for Intel to implement TRIM in RAID. See their extensive remark about this pertaining to TRIM support of SSD's in RAID mode. It essentially means that their own SSD Optimizer software will not currently work with an SSD used in the ISRT caching setup, since it configures the SSD in (what seems a strange . . ) RAID0 configuration.

As to my "workaround:" While Intel says they are "investigating" implementation of TRIM for SSDs in RAID on their controllers, we cannot use that feature for the ISRT caching (whether with INTEL SSD Optimizer or the built-in TRIM of Windows 7).

Instead, one must "unhinge" the ISRT caching within Windows, reboot, go to BIOS and chance from RAID to AHCI, then reboot to Windows and run SSD Optimizer to do the maintenance and preserve the SSD's performance. And THIS solution is not going to work if switching from RAID to AHCI causes boot problems with Windows. Sooner or later, I'm going to "find out," with fingers crossed that Intel resolves the TRIM-in-RAID issue.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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Some more info that will be useful.

This Asus bios guide looks pretty good.

I use a negative offset voltage on my SB overclocks since i think its a much better way to go than a fixed voltage or auto-voltage for overclocking.
Here is a good basic guide and explanation why.
Overclocking Using Offset Mode for CPU Core Voltage

Yeah -- I had found the first link you quoted much earlier, and it is very useful. The second link -- to the ROG pages -- and the "Offset" voltage explanation -- that's a goldmine.

But I also noticed something else. They show a CPU-Z that looks like a custom version for ROG. Unless there was an ability to "change skins," that would be nice to have. I couldn't find any "downloads" link at ROG. Not so far, anyway . . .
 

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I avoided these IDE versus ACHI troubles when I built one system three years ago and set up a 3Ware-AMCC 9650-SE controller as RAID5. But I may have had trouble one time for a single disk installation as "IDE." And fact is, I should probably re-check my WHS server, because those drives may have been configured in IDE mode when it was built in 2009.

Once the drive is set up as IDE, there is this terrible problem of converting once the OS has been installed. There IS reference to a "fix" in a single-page insert to the P8Z68 manual, with reference to some Microsoft web-links/knowledge-base. Unless some disks will be in RAID array (with others used independently but in RAID mode), you WANT AHCI configured at minimum so you can avail of the NCQ and other advanced features of the (not so) newer hard disks. RAID would also allow for that.

Even so, I MUST UPDATE my assessment about ACHI versus RAID. Apparently, even though switching between these two in BIOS has been assessed by some here as "harmless" or "essentially equivalent" for single-drives, others have spoken to boot problems.

The answer to this is really quite simple. IF you plan even eventually to use any kind of RAID or ISRT's HDD drive-caching with an SSD, set the BIOS to RAID. It is a mode that is effective for the entire controller. It still allows you to configure a couple drives in RAID0 and additional single drives not used in a RAID array. Or it would allow you to cache one HDD with ISRT/SSD and use another drive by itself uncached.

So RAID is totally optimal unless you NEVER, EVER plan to create a conventional RAID array and choose ACHI mode. HOWEVER, if there is ANY problem booting from a drive with OS installed in RAID mode (the BIOS setup) and then switched to AHCI, then the interim fix I confirmed with Intel Customer Support the other day for TRIM will not work, and we will have to wait for Intel to implement TRIM in RAID. See their extensive remark about this pertaining to TRIM support of SSD's in RAID mode. It essentially means that their own SSD Optimizer software will not currently work with an SSD used in the ISRT caching setup, since it configures the SSD in (what seems a strange . . ) RAID0 configuration.

As to my "workaround:" While Intel says they are "investigating" implementation of TRIM for SSDs in RAID on their controllers, we cannot use that feature for the ISRT caching (whether with INTEL SSD Optimizer or the built-in TRIM of Windows 7).

Instead, one must "unhinge" the ISRT caching within Windows, reboot, go to BIOS and chance from RAID to AHCI, then reboot to Windows and run SSD Optimizer to do the maintenance and preserve the SSD's performance. And THIS solution is not going to work if switching from RAID to AHCI causes boot problems with Windows. Sooner or later, I'm going to "find out," with fingers crossed that Intel resolves the TRIM-in-RAID issue.

Thanks for the info. Is AHCI really a requirement for hot swapping? I just did a custom WHS build and I'm pretty certain that I didn't switch it from IDE. Not that I really plan on hot swapping all that much but I'm thinking if a drive fails etc. I have my drives in a 4 bay hot swap cage but not sure if I'm disabling that feature by not turning on AHCI
 

BonzaiDuck

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Thanks for the info. Is AHCI really a requirement for hot swapping? I just did a custom WHS build and I'm pretty certain that I didn't switch it from IDE. Not that I really plan on hot swapping all that much but I'm thinking if a drive fails etc. I have my drives in a 4 bay hot swap cage but not sure if I'm disabling that feature by not turning on AHCI

OK . . . now were on the WHS topic. I assume you know: DON'T use RAID with WHS, it will "gum things up."

It may or may not be the case about "hot swapping" SATA drives. If I need to hotswap a regular drive in my WHS box and can't -- I'll just power down and replace rather than hotswap. But it doesn't matter: I have a hotswap solution anyway -- to backup the WHS (which also "backs up . . . "). I have a StarTech Hot-swap IDE drive cage and caddies, and I have a Star-Tech Hot-Swap SATA drive cage and caddies.

Frankly, I think you should be able to hot-swap with either AHCI or RAID without the StarTech hardware and its "Swap Manager" software. I can't be absolutely sure, though.

YOU WILL have a problem if the SATA drives are configured as IDE and you attempt to change them to ACHI. That's the most robust certainty so far about initial drive configuration of SATA drives . . . .
 

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I actually just ordered a ASUS P8Z68-V and a 2500k this last weekend. I appreciate all the info presented here since I have not actively OC'd or messed with new chipsets in well over a year so I feel a bit out of the loop. Time for me to read up some more.
 

BonzaiDuck

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I actually just ordered a ASUS P8Z68-V and a 2500k this last weekend. I appreciate all the info presented here since I have not actively OC'd or messed with new chipsets in well over a year so I feel a bit out of the loop. Time for me to read up some more.

AB-so-FREAKin'-TIVE-ly! POSi-FREAKin'-LUTE-ly!!

But . . . A year? A YEAR!? That's not much of a Rip-van-Winkle . . .

Suddenly, the web is bursting with "intel" about "Intel" -- Sandy Bridge, that is . . .

I've been "out of the loop" since 2008!!! "South Park?" The episode about the guy who fell into the ice-crevice and came back three years later? Wife didn't remember his name?
 

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Yeah -- I had found the first link you quoted much earlier, and it is very useful. The second link -- to the ROG pages -- and the "Offset" voltage explanation -- that's a goldmine.

But I also noticed something else. They show a CPU-Z that looks like a custom version for ROG. Unless there was an ability to "change skins," that would be nice to have. I couldn't find any "downloads" link at ROG. Not so far, anyway . . .
The ROG cpu-z skin is Here. (its v1.58)
I used to have it installed on my Asus G73JH ROG laptop but never bothered looking for further ROG versions when updating.
 
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Jhatfie

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AB-so-FREAKin'-TIVE-ly! POSi-FREAKin'-LUTE-ly!!

But . . . A year? A YEAR!? That's not much of a Rip-van-Winkle . . .

Suddenly, the web is bursting with "intel" about "Intel" -- Sandy Bridge, that is . . .

I've been "out of the loop" since 2008!!! "South Park?" The episode about the guy who fell into the ice-crevice and came back three years later? Wife didn't remember his name?

Shoot...for me a year and a half hiatus is unheard of. I used to upgrade my junk on a regular basis, at least 2 times a year on average. Not for any reason other than I liked to try new stuff and fiddle. Not so much any more though, free time is much more rare these days.
 
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