ATI 4890 vs Nvidia GTX285

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Very sorry for this quick Off Topic comment, but I'll make it brief and I'll say no more about it.

Just some quick advice when Wreckage returns. Leave him alone. Don't follow him into every thread he creates (and he will) JUST to bust his chops. If you see something inaccurate or misleading in his info, prove it wrong, the "right" way. Don't sling bias remarks and green glasses garbage. He is what he is and really really likes one company and really really dislikes another. More so than most. That's his right. By the same token, if he reports REAL news, discuss THAT, not the fact that it was Wreckage who posted it. That would be wrong. If he's full of it, it should be virtually effortless to prove it WITHOUT the personal attacks and without the aggression. If Wreckage steps over the line, as you can see the moderators are doing their part.

Again, apologies for the OT. Please get on with the topic discussion and give this issue no more energy.

/peace

Keys

I dont' feel we have to just accept someone who goes out of their way to cause problems. I think it's great that people are passionate about this hobby and want to come to a place like this to talk about the hobby they love. But the difference is while many of us may lean one way or another when it comes to different hardware makers, almost all of us can have a rational discussion and cede that company x has a better part than company y in regards to different things, even if it's not our preferred company. Wreckage refuses to do that and ruins threads because of it. With Wreckage you can't just efforlessly prove him wrong as he'll just switch subjects or say something ridiculous and bring down an entire thread. While I certainly won't go out of my way to 'follow him into every thread he makes' I don't think that anyone shouldn't tell him he's wrong and purposely posting garbage when he does it. I do agree with you completely that if he posts something useful, real news, than it should be taken for just that. Just my $.02.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: evolucion8
Sorry for this, but AFAIK posting here isn't a right, is a privilege that can be removed if the TOS are not followed, he broke those so many times. Because if he's full of love for one company and full of hate for another doesn't mean that we just have to accept him and let him do whatever he please to mislead people with less knowledge, spreading FUD and blurring the lines of the truth to make appear that his opinion is true when they aren't. But definitively you are right with the personal attacks as I did the same to him (And he to me) months ago.

Back to topic: I think that having the HD 4890 at such low price and being so similar in performance with the GTX 275 (And sometimes the GTX 285, something that the GTX 275 can do less often) is a very nice hard to ressist offer.

That's a great point about TOS and forum rights.

I hope the 5xxx ATI series makes it out ok....

 

[netxzero64]

yeah, 4890 is the best value per performance ratio currently... and can knockdown most games =D

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: kmmatney

What a tool.

This is not the right approach to take here. In the future, please refrain from personal attacks and instead stick to addressing the argument at hand.

Video Mod BFG10K.

 

[ZimZum]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Just some quick advice when Wreckage returns. Leave him alone.

I never understood why people repeatedly fall into his vortex and go at it with him. Thats precisely what he wants. If people would ignore him, he'd eventually get bored and go elsewhere.

I always said these forums need an ignore user feature more than anything.

 

[netxzero64]

a lot of people said that a good combination of gaming rig is an intel quad or i7 processor combined with an ATi high end graphics card... =D

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

That's a great point about TOS and forum rights.

I hope the 5xxx ATI series makes it out ok....

I am looking forward to seeing what the 5xxxx ATI video cards can do and what Nvidia has to challenge them. Should be interesting and hopefully I can retire my Gainward 4870 because it gets a bit hot these days. :frown:

 

[SirPauly]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
4890 is cheaper, by a lot if you're patient (less than half the cost of a GTX275).

Please show me a 4890 that is less than $102.

Here is a GTX275 with a free copy of CoD World at War. $204.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814187073

Free shipping. No rebates or coupons or first time buyer discounts needed. No hoops to jump through.

The GTX275 performs on par with an overclocked 4890. Of course you can always overclock the 275.

http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/16681

The 4890 and GTX275 are very close to equals as far as performance goes. The 4890 is generally cheaper, that's the difference. The 4890 overclocks well, I believe the GTX275 overclocks decently as well.

We all know about the $125 deal on the 4890, I haven't seen a GTX275 close to that yet. As far as what the other poster said, here you go... $250 for a GTX275. You can find the 4890 for $125 making what he said true... you can find the 4890 for half the price of a GTX275. Considering they go up to $330 on Newegg for factory overclocked models or extra memory I'd say that it is possible to find 4890's for half the price of GTX275's, depending on the model. Obviously the cheapest 4890 isn't half the price of the cheapest GTX275. But I think it's pretty plain that the 4890 on a whole is cheaper then the GTX275, for performance that is near identical.

Agreed. At current prices, there is no one in their right mind who would buy a GTX 275.

Anandtech

"The 4890 tends to look better at lower resolutions while the GTX 275 is more competitive at high resolutions. At 1680 x 1050 and 1920 x 1200 the 4890 is nearly undefeated. At 2560 x 1600, it seems to be pretty much a wash between the two cards. "

Considering this along with the fact that the 4890 can be found for nearly one half the price of the GTX 275, it's pretty obvious.

The pricing is impressive for the 4890 at times and don't think anyone will argue that point. However, since the introduction of the 4XXX series from ATI/AMD many talk pricing as the end-all metric -- yet ATI still hasn't gained over-all market share, from my understanding -- with their strong price/performance ratio.

Also when gauging pricing it is always best to get an over-all view on pricing than on an exception that is much cheaper -- which offers the perception that the line over-all is much, much cheaper than another line.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...ption=HD%204890&Page=1

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...CH&Description=GTX-275


A shrewd shopper may find value or they wait for the right timing based on certain variables but it is unobjective to blanket over-all based on exceptions.

Also, there are other areas of GPU's besides price/performance from IQ quality, flexibility, feature sets, developer relations -- even things like nhancer.

 

[crazylegs]

Am also waiting expectantly for next gen cards to be released, then i'll let dust to settle and make an informed choice as to whether its ATI or NV who manage to take the £150-200 performance crown this time around.

Whichever it is i'll jump on board.

 

[SirPauly]

How does one define informed?

 

[Dribble]

Originally posted by: netxzero64
yeah, 4890 is the best value per performance ratio currently... and can knockdown most games =D

Proof?

4890 is never going to win any price/performance ratio competitions, all it wins is the competition to be the fastest single ati card. If you were on a budget you be much better off with a significantly cheaper but almost as fast 4870, or even cheaper again 4850. To play most popular games at very high settings at the most popular resolutions (16*10 or 12*10) all you need is a 4830/4770/8800GT, and they cost an awful lot less then a 4890.

 

[happy medium]

Am I not looking in the right places?

The prices at newegg have the 275gtx @ $205.00 and a 20$ rebate = 185$ free shipping and a free copy of Call of duty WAW.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814125279

And the 4890 for $189.00 free shipping with a free game Stormrise.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814161276

Tigerdirect: lowest price for both cards here:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/app...c:3585|&Sort=4&Recs=30

Most good online stores I check have them within 5/10$ of each other.

Have the reviews changed ? I thought the gtx275 was = 4890? Or within 2/3 fps of each other depending on the game. Both cards overclock right?

Where are all these great deals everyones talking about for the 4890?

My point is suddenly people are saying that the 4890's performance is allmost equal to a gtx 285. I certainly believe the price performance for a 4890 is excellent but what about the gtx 275?

I do remember 4 or 5 weeks back seeing some rebate, cashback bonus offers for the 4890 but Ive been checking the hot deals section and they are long gone.

The best bang for the buck I can find now is the gtx260 with 2 free games and a 30$ rebate for 144.99 shipped.

http://www.newegg.com/product/...0&ref=dynamitedata.com

Another point I would like to point out is we all know the gtx 285 has been the fastest single card available and you allways pay extra for that privilege. Is it worth the extra 100$ I'd say no.

So to answer the Op's question. For a "normal gamer" like he said the gtx 260 deal is hard to beat. I'd say a 4890/285 gtx use is more like a enthusiast card.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: happy medium
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Not sure if this deal is still alive or not... but you could have purchased a 4890 for $125. There have been other deals floating around here and there for the 4890 as well. The 4890 and the GTX275 are pretty well as equal of cards as you can get. They are very close to one another. The 4890 really isn't made to compete with the GTX285, though I believe there are a number of factory overclocked cards that do infact surpass it. I'm not sure how much overclcoking you can get out of the GTX285 though. I've seen some barely overclock at all, others hit 720MHz. I don't know what the norm is.

I think the point people were making is that generally speaking, the 4890 is cheaper than a GTX275 for very close to equal performance. Either the GTX275 or 4890 are generally close enough to GTX285 performance that it doesn't justify it's price to most people. True, it is the fastest single GPU, but it really doesn't appear to seperate itself substantially from the other, cheaper cards - the 4890 and GTX275. Also, often enough the 4890 is faster than the GTX285. If I pay $100+ more for a card that is the 'fastest' single GPU I would want it to be fastest the vast majority of time. Too often the 4890 is on it's heels or faster, in my opinion, to justify it's premium.

If the prices were the same, assuming there aren't any spectacular deals on the GTX275 or 4890 than I would think you could flip a coin if deciding between the two. And personally I would buy either of those before a GTX285, but that's just me, others may want the 285... different strokes...

 

[happy medium]

Slowspider I agree with most of what you said but with the 275/4890 (and i was a 4890 fan) the extras like cuda, physx and the better free games seem to push my opinion towards the 275 for 5 /10 bucks more or cheaper with rebate. Those extras to me are worth the little extra money?
Thoughts?

Edit: Any thoughts on the gtx 260 i recommended?

 

[a123456]

I see a lot of people referring to the 4890 for 125$. The deal is no longer available but you can sort of get one for ~130$ now if you don't mind taking a small hit on your credit score and dealing with CIT bank, which AFAIK is in the process of almost going bankrupt these days. They need major funding from the bigger banks to keep them afloat. It may or may not be worth all that depending on each person's value of the BillMeLater stuff. Still, though, 160$ is not bad at all if you don't mind MIRs.

Strictly on price/performance, the 4890 is probably a better deal (assuming the 30$ MIR comes through) than either the GTX 275 or 285 but I think many users may want to consider the cheaper 4870 1GB(120 after MIR, 90? after the BillMeLater) or the GTX 260 as mentioned above if Nvidia is preferred.

 

[happy medium]

does bill me later only apply for ATI cards?
4870 for 120$ where?

 

[ZimZum]

Originally posted by: happy medium
does bill me later only apply for ATI cards?
4870 for 120$ where?

4870 at Newegg $124 AR

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: a123456
I see a lot of people referring to the 4890 for 125$. The deal is no longer available but you can sort of get one for ~130$ now if you don't mind taking a small hit on your credit score and dealing with CIT bank, which AFAIK is in the process of almost going bankrupt these days. They need major funding from the bigger banks to keep them afloat. It may or may not be worth all that depending on each person's value of the BillMeLater stuff. Still, though, 160$ is not bad at all if you don't mind MIRs.

Strictly on price/performance, the 4890 is probably a better deal (assuming the 30$ MIR comes through) than either the GTX 275 or 285 but I think many users may want to consider the cheaper 4870 1GB(120 after MIR, 90? after the BillMeLater) or the GTX 260 as mentioned above if Nvidia is preferred.

I meant 1gb flavors but thats a good price also.

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by: a123456
I see a lot of people referring to the 4890 for 125$. The deal is no longer available but you can sort of get one for ~130$ now if you don't mind taking a small hit on your credit score and dealing with CIT bank, which AFAIK is in the process of almost going bankrupt these days. They need major funding from the bigger banks to keep them afloat. It may or may not be worth all that depending on each person's value of the BillMeLater stuff. Still, though, 160$ is not bad at all if you don't mind MIRs.

Strictly on price/performance, the 4890 is probably a better deal (assuming the 30$ MIR comes through) than either the GTX 275 or 285 but I think many users may want to consider the cheaper 4870 1GB(120 after MIR, 90? after the BillMeLater) or the GTX 260 as mentioned above if Nvidia is preferred.

I hadn't paid attention to who was backing the billmelater offer until you pointed that out... thanks for the heads up...

I hope they get the $3 billion bailout or stay solvent until I get my $30...