ATi 5850/5870 review thread

[T2k]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: jasonnovak
I'd like to see a comparison of the 5850 to a 4850 crossfire setup ... checked all the reviews and no one has seem to included that yet

4850X2 easily beats even 5870, what else do you want to know?

Where do you get that information?

In my machine...? In all the reviews by taking off ~10% from 4870X2...?

The 4850x2 was just slightly faster than the GTX 285.

Ewww, really? In what games, Minesweeper? :roll:

Go and read: http://www.techpowerup.com/rev...eon_HD_5870_CrossFire/

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: jasonnovak
I'd like to see a comparison of the 5850 to a 4850 crossfire setup ... checked all the reviews and no one has seem to included that yet

Pounds the dual 4870's

The 5870 does not pound shit - it only faster above 1920x1200 w/ AA, otherwise X2s mops the floor with single 5870: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3650&p=5

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: KeithP
If anyone sees a review of a 5850 on a more modest platform (dual core, 2.5 - 2.8GHz) please post a heads up. I hate that all these reviews seem to use a very high end platform to test a video card regardless of the market the card is targeted at.

-KeithP

I've always kinda hated that too. Early reviews are usually High End machines. Eventually Toms or some Website will do some kind of Roundup or Let's See How the Peons Do It, kinda review.

In many cases a 5850 and 5870 will be bottlenecked by a slower cpu, so it makes more sense to use a highly clocked processor to differentiate between the cards. If you're using a 2.5-2.8ghz dual core (say e6750 or e8200) and you don't OC then you're going to bewasting your money in a lot of cases getting a high end card.

@t2k, um, what did you mean to write there? 4850x2 is faster than gtx 285 in many cases, maybe even overall as a %, but it's not faster than 5850 and definitely not faster than 5870.

AFAIK it is faster, (sans Crysis, this PoS-quality-coded game) it's not a question: the single 5870 is pretty much only faster in 2560 and with AA (and the 4850X2 is only slightly slower than 4870X2).

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: jasonnovak
I'd like to see a comparison of the 5850 to a 4850 crossfire setup ... checked all the reviews and no one has seem to included that yet

Pounds the dual 4870's

The 5870 does not pound shit - it only faster above 1920x1200 w/ AA, otherwise X2s mops the floor with single 5870: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3650&p=5

Youve picked fc2 which favors the x2 over the 5870.

same review, 5870 is over 20% faster than the x2 in crysis:
http://images.anandtech.com/gr...092909204359/20178.png

I agree with you though, overall the 5870 is like 98-99% of the 4870x2. But it completely trumps it with dx11, single gpu, overclocking, eyefinity, etc.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: thilanliyan

Originally posted by: error8
It doesn't kill the gtx 285, it's more around it, sometimes faster ( mostly ) sometimes even loosing a bit

From the AT review it didn't lose once to the 285 and even in the techreport review it only lost in Wolfenstein.

yeah, and considering the overclocking headroom (I'd wager most all 5850 models have the same GDDR5 as the 5870, so that means the memory should be able to at least match the 5870) the 5850 becomes even more attractive.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: jasonnovak
I'd like to see a comparison of the 5850 to a 4850 crossfire setup ... checked all the reviews and no one has seem to included that yet

Pounds the dual 4870's

The 5870 does not pound shit - it only faster above 1920x1200 w/ AA, otherwise X2s mops the floor with single 5870: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3650&p=5

He asked about Crossfire.. the link I posted has a 4870X2 and a crossfire 5850 He didn't even ask about the 5870 you mentioned.

In my link the CF 5850 is at 147 frames and the 4870X2 is at 85.

 

[SRoode]

Just to prove I'm not an NVidia fanboy (see my comments on page 17), I just bought this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814150442

My first ATI purchase in a while, but the price to performance ratio seems perfect for me. I currently have an 8800GT, and for $259 I get about 2x-3x speed increase without overclocking the card. Since this 5870 seems to be about 25% faster than the 5850, I still think the 5870 is not priced right. The 5850 is (to me anyway), and I was happy to pick this card up!

Also, it seems from the prior posts that it draws about the same power as my 8800GT. So, I am happy with this one!

 

[SRoode]

13 mins after my post, it sold out...

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: SRoode
Just to prove I'm not an NVidia fanboy (see my comments on page 17), I just bought this:

Anyone worth a crap in life doesn't care about that bro

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: jasonnovak
I'd like to see a comparison of the 5850 to a 4850 crossfire setup ... checked all the reviews and no one has seem to included that yet

Pounds the dual 4870's

The 5870 does not pound shit - it only faster above 1920x1200 w/ AA, otherwise X2s mops the floor with single 5870: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3650&p=5

He asked about Crossfire.. the link I posted has a 4870X2 and a crossfire 5850 He didn't even ask about the 5870 you mentioned.

In my link the CF 5850 is at 147 frames and the 4870X2 is at 85.

Then both of you should learn how to fuck!n properly word a sentence:

"5850 to a 4850 crossfire setup"

Where the f)ck do you see 5850 CF here?

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: Tempered81

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: jasonnovak
I'd like to see a comparison of the 5850 to a 4850 crossfire setup ... checked all the reviews and no one has seem to included that yet

Pounds the dual 4870's

The 5870 does not pound shit - it only faster above 1920x1200 w/ AA, otherwise X2s mops the floor with single 5870: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3650&p=5

Youve picked fc2 which favors the x2 over the 5870.

same review, 5870 is over 20% faster than the x2 in crysis:
http://images.anandtech.com/gr...092909204359/20178.png

As I wrote sans Crysis - Crysis is the lamest fuck!n PoS-quality coding job of the last ~10 years as far as I can recall. Crysis is largely irrelevant becuase there isn't one more dev team as lame and lousy when it comes to optimization as Crytek out there... perhaps they get better, perhaps not - I don't have high hopes for their CryEngine 3 either.

I agree with you though, overall the 5870 is like 98-99% of the 4870x2. But it completely trumps it with dx11, single gpu, overclocking, eyefinity, etc.

Except it's rather 80% at best overall. DX11 might give it a lift but then again, 5850X2 will pretty much destroy it.

 

[nCred]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: jasonnovak
I'd like to see a comparison of the 5850 to a 4850 crossfire setup ... checked all the reviews and no one has seem to included that yet

4850X2 easily beats even 5870, what else do you want to know?

Let's see here.. From the Performance Summary in the review you posted: Text

relative performance (all resolutions):
HD 5870 100%
HD 4870X2 101 %

So.. According to this review, the 4870X2 is 1 % faster overall. You say the 4850X2 beats 5870 easily. You are wrong, it is slower.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: jasonnovak
I'd like to see a comparison of the 5850 to a 4850 crossfire setup ... checked all the reviews and no one has seem to included that yet

Pounds the dual 4870's

The 5870 does not pound shit - it only faster above 1920x1200 w/ AA, otherwise X2s mops the floor with single 5870: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3650&p=5

He asked about Crossfire.. the link I posted has a 4870X2 and a crossfire 5850 He didn't even ask about the 5870 you mentioned.

In my link the CF 5850 is at 147 frames and the 4870X2 is at 85.

Then both of you should learn how to fuck!n properly word a sentence:

"5850 to a 4850 crossfire setup"

Where the f)ck do you see 5850 CF here?

Dude really it's not that big of a deal, it's just a video card really.

 

[Janooo]

The latest rumor mill says that Cypress has more than 20 SIMDs.
It's hard to believe but apparently there is no Cypress die picture in the wild wide web. AMD could be hiding something.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Janooo
The latest rumor mill says that Cypress has more than 20 SIMDs.
It's hard to believe but apparently there is no Cypress die picture in the wild wide web. AMD could be hiding something.

Would go some distance towards explaining the performance scaling discrepancy.

5890 might pack more than just a clockspeed boost...

I really think AMD is being wiley this time around, I have high expectations of them "dropping the other shoe" once Nvidia fully lays down their hand.

 

[SRoode]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: SRoode
Just to prove I'm not an NVidia fanboy (see my comments on page 17), I just bought this:

Anyone worth a crap in life doesn't care about that bro

The day I give a crap about someone who is as rude as you, tells others to "get laid", yet has over 3000 posts on an internet board, is the day I'll stop laughing at you. I posted my message to let others know the importance of the price point, as well as to let others know where to get the 5850 if they wanted one.

Mine shipped today.

BTW, I don't need your input on how to run my life. I do just fine.

 

[dguy6789]

The 4870 had more GPU components than was used as well. They are believed to be there for yield purposes. It was speculated that the 4890 would have these enabled but alas it didn't happen.

 

[nyker96]

quick question on the hd 5850, since amd only disabled two SIMDs, I wonder if there's possibility to reenable them? any word on this.

 

[Elfear]

Well I'm really on the fence about what to get now. I jumped the gun a bit and sold off my two 4890s a couple weeks ago, planning on grabbing a pair of 5800 series cards. Now that reviews are out and the dust has settled, it appears that a pair of 5850s wouldn't be much of an upgrade and a pair of 5870s carry a price tag that I'm having a hard time trying to swallow. With Fermi 3-6 months away I don't really want to have my rig sit idle waiting to see how it performs.

I game at 2560x1600 so I need all the graphics horsepower I can get. Any good suggestions from you guys?

 

[Tempered81]

Elfear: 5850 Crossfire

Coming from two 4890's it's hard to recommend something for you. Maybe 5850 tri-fire?

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: Tempered81
Elfear: 5850 Crossfire

Coming from two 4890's it's hard to recommend something for you. Maybe 5850 tri-fire?

Great minds must think alike. I ended up grabbing a pair of 5850s last night after perusing the 5850 reviews that included the 4890. At 2560x1600, across 5 or 6 reviews, the 5850 is 25% faster on average. Not the huge leap in performance I was hoping for but it will tide me over until the 5890 and GT300 arrive.

 

[*kjm]

Originally posted by: Elfear

Originally posted by: Tempered81
Elfear: 5850 Crossfire

Coming from two 4890's it's hard to recommend something for you. Maybe 5850 tri-fire?

Great minds must think alike. I ended up grabbing a pair of 5850s last night after perusing the 5850 reviews that included the 4890. At 2560x1600, across 5 or 6 reviews, the 5850 is 25% faster on average. Not the huge leap in performance I was hoping for but it will tide me over until the 5890 and GT300 arrive.

That and think of all the power you will save with the 5850's! I have a 4890 @ 960/1015 and I'm thinking of going with a 5870 just for the power use alone....... my fear is a 5890 may come out in 6 months.

 

[KeithP]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: KeithP
If anyone sees a review of a 5850 on a more modest platform (dual core, 2.5 - 2.8GHz) please post a heads up. I hate that all these reviews seem to use a very high end platform to test a video card regardless of the market the card is targeted at.

-KeithP

I've always kinda hated that too. Early reviews are usually High End machines. Eventually Toms or some Website will do some kind of Roundup or Let's See How the Peons Do It, kinda review.

In many cases a 5850 and 5870 will be bottlenecked by a slower cpu, so it makes more sense to use a highly clocked processor to differentiate between the cards. If you're using a 2.5-2.8ghz dual core (say e6750 or e8200) and you don't OC then you're going to bewasting your money in a lot of cases getting a high end card.

@t2k, um, what did you mean to write there? 4850x2 is faster than gtx 285 in many cases, maybe even overall as a %, but it's not faster than 5850 and definitely not faster than 5870.

Well, as of now, that is just speculation. Which is my point.

I would like to see someone compare a dual or quad core system running under 3Ghz with say, a 4870, a 5850 and a 5870. It the CPU is indeed a bottle neck, how bad will it be? We just don't know. Instead of spending money on the video card it might be better to first spend money on a faster processor or look into overclocking. However, without anyone doing tests/benchmarks there isn't a good way to decide, short of buying the hardware and doing the test ourselves.


-KeithP

 

[lopri]

How do 5850s overclock? There aren't many reviews with overclocking experiments.

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: *kjm

That and think of all the power you will save with the 5850's! I have a 4890 @ 960/1015 and I'm thinking of going with a 5870 just for the power use alone....... my fear is a 5890 may come out in 6 months.

So what, are you willing to wait for a card that will probably be at the most 10% faster then 5870? That can hardly worth waiting.