the 32 pipes on the r520s will NEVER be on sale, maybe the r580s but not the r520s.
you can take my word for it.
you can take my word for it.
Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
the 32 pipes on the r520s will NEVER be on sale, maybe the r580s but not the r520s.
you can take my word for it.
We expect R520 will have 16pp, 24pp and 32pp versions using 90nm micron process technology from TSMC. As the card maker doesn't wish to reveal the R520 performance yet, but we can confirm that R520 at 24pp or 32pp will not be lower than that of the GeForce 7800GTX. Even though the 32pp and 24pp R520 mass production will face some difficulties, but the 16 pipelines R520 using the 90nm core will be clocked high to maintain a certain level of competitiveness. Apart from employing TSMC to make the 90nm R520 cores, UMC will be making them as well in the near future to make up the shortage problem and we can see more of the 32pp and 24pp R520 versions.
Originally posted by: Chesebert
Originally posted by: jazzboy
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
:Q a 650mhz 32 pipes card!!!!!!!!! nVidia complete Ownage if it's true.
Umm, you are aware that pipes and clockspeeds don't mean so much nowadays?
Any report, whether reliable or not, which just tells you about pipes/clockspeeds is meaningless to me. When we have real benchmarks then I will sit up and take notice.
GFX processing is highly parallel so clock speed and pipes do mean something. There are only so many ways to do GFX processing or number cruching. Remember X2 is just 2 A64, is just a super tweaked version of old Athlon which is a archetictual copy of P3 <=> PM, which is a revision of P2, which is a revision of Ppro, which is a revision of P1 (Ppro would be the technical bottom where everything else spawn I guess) ...damn lazy Intel and AMD.
Originally posted by: Creig
Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
the 32 pipes on the r520s will NEVER be on sale, maybe the r580s but not the r520s.
you can take my word for it.
Why should we? HKEPC which actually HAS a board in their hands is saying...
We expect R520 will have 16pp, 24pp and 32pp versions using 90nm micron process technology from TSMC. As the card maker doesn't wish to reveal the R520 performance yet, but we can confirm that R520 at 24pp or 32pp will not be lower than that of the GeForce 7800GTX. Even though the 32pp and 24pp R520 mass production will face some difficulties, but the 16 pipelines R520 using the 90nm core will be clocked high to maintain a certain level of competitiveness. Apart from employing TSMC to make the 90nm R520 cores, UMC will be making them as well in the near future to make up the shortage problem and we can see more of the 32pp and 24pp R520 versions.
So unless you have a more convincing source of information than a website that can actually get an engineering sample in their lab, I'll go with their version. If you CAN provide an alternative source, please do. The more sources of info we can dig up, the better chance we'll have of figuring out the specs/performance before they're officially released.
Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
it would be too expensive as of now to mass produce 32pipe r520s. The only time we will see a r520 32 pipe is when the 7800 ultra rolls out.
Originally posted by: Creig
Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
it would be too expensive as of now to mass produce 32pipe r520s. The only time we will see a r520 32 pipe is when the 7800 ultra rolls out.
???? How do you figure that it's "too expensive" to mass produce at 32pp? If the core is indeed designed for 32pp and ATI is binning them for their various cards, then a 16pp core will cost ATI the same as a 24pp core which will cost the same as a 32pp core. What ATI will CHARGE for each level core is going to depend on yields.
Originally posted by: makken
Originally posted by: remagavon
If this is real then FVCK YES. I'd pay $700 for this card, if it performs a great margin better than the 7800
Edit: OMG 512 ram?! $750
*sigh*
...and I remember when $199 was ALOT to be shelling out for a top of the line video card
at the rate things are going, I guess i wont' be building a respectable gaming rig for a long time.
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Creig
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
:Q a 650mhz 32 pipes card!!!!!!!!! nVidia complete Ownage if it's true.
Total wallet ownage as well.
In terms of performance king!
Originally posted by: Ronin
As I said in the other thread.
2 words.
16 pipes.
Originally posted by: remagavon
Originally posted by: makken
Originally posted by: remagavon
If this is real then FVCK YES. I'd pay $700 for this card, if it performs a great margin better than the 7800
Edit: OMG 512 ram?! $750
*sigh*
...and I remember when $199 was ALOT to be shelling out for a top of the line video card
at the rate things are going, I guess i wont' be building a respectable gaming rig for a long time.
*sigh*
2x Vodoo2 cards cost $600 or maybe a little over (for the 12mb versions). The single card obsidian was IIRC $700. This is nothing new, there just hasn't been the technology recently to justify the increase in price. The GTX is nice but it should be $500, not $600. The faster cards should be $550. A 512mb 32 pipe card with possible memory benefits based on a new technology, if it proves effective, is worth more than that.
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: remagavon
Originally posted by: makken
Originally posted by: remagavon
If this is real then FVCK YES. I'd pay $700 for this card, if it performs a great margin better than the 7800
Edit: OMG 512 ram?! $750
*sigh*
...and I remember when $199 was ALOT to be shelling out for a top of the line video card
at the rate things are going, I guess i wont' be building a respectable gaming rig for a long time.
*sigh*
2x Vodoo2 cards cost $600 or maybe a little over (for the 12mb versions). The single card obsidian was IIRC $700. This is nothing new, there just hasn't been the technology recently to justify the increase in price. The GTX is nice but it should be $500, not $600. The faster cards should be $550. A 512mb 32 pipe card with possible memory benefits based on a new technology, if it proves effective, is worth more than that.
Since when has the GeForce been 600? I paid 479 for my GeForce 7800 GTX White Box about 2 months ago. Not sure why everyone around here quotes MSRP prices and not actual... Go looking, you will probably find a 7800 GTX White Box for under 450 now... That is a small price to pay for the performance. Then again, I upgraded from a ATI 9600 Pro.
Edit ** Currently $465 @ NewEgg
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
I won't ask again why you felt the need to relate to 6 generation old hardware
6th gen? how do you figure? the x800 is about ati's 4th competitive round of hardware, as the previous rages were pretty much all crap. and the x800 has a lot to do with the R300, so it might be more like round 3.5.
Originally posted by: Fox5
Originally posted by: Chesebert
Originally posted by: jazzboy
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
:Q a 650mhz 32 pipes card!!!!!!!!! nVidia complete Ownage if it's true.
Umm, you are aware that pipes and clockspeeds don't mean so much nowadays?
Any report, whether reliable or not, which just tells you about pipes/clockspeeds is meaningless to me. When we have real benchmarks then I will sit up and take notice.
GFX processing is highly parallel so clock speed and pipes do mean something. There are only so many ways to do GFX processing or number cruching. Remember X2 is just 2 A64, is just a super tweaked version of old Athlon which is a archetictual copy of P3 <=> PM, which is a revision of P2, which is a revision of Ppro, which is a revision of P1 (Ppro would be the technical bottom where everything else spawn I guess) ...damn lazy Intel and AMD.
1. You'd be extremely hard-pressed to call the Athlon a copy of any Pentium design.
2. Athlon released before Pentium 3.(at least I think it did, if not then within the same time frame, though the 'true' p3s came like a year after the athlon, the ones with the on-die L2 cache)
Originally posted by: Chesebert
Originally posted by: Fox5
Originally posted by: Chesebert
Originally posted by: jazzboy
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
:Q a 650mhz 32 pipes card!!!!!!!!! nVidia complete Ownage if it's true.
Umm, you are aware that pipes and clockspeeds don't mean so much nowadays?
Any report, whether reliable or not, which just tells you about pipes/clockspeeds is meaningless to me. When we have real benchmarks then I will sit up and take notice.
GFX processing is highly parallel so clock speed and pipes do mean something. There are only so many ways to do GFX processing or number cruching. Remember X2 is just 2 A64, is just a super tweaked version of old Athlon which is a archetictual copy of P3 <=> PM, which is a revision of P2, which is a revision of Ppro, which is a revision of P1 (Ppro would be the technical bottom where everything else spawn I guess) ...damn lazy Intel and AMD.
1. You'd be extremely hard-pressed to call the Athlon a copy of any Pentium design.
2. Athlon released before Pentium 3.(at least I think it did, if not then within the same time frame, though the 'true' p3s came like a year after the athlon, the ones with the on-die L2 cache)
oh there are only so many ways to design a cpu. and Ppro all the way to P-M and AthlonXP share the same type of design. you fetch the instruction, you decode into little tiny risc like instructions and you process them out of order...(the whole OOO thing is pretty standard afair, you can do some tweaks here and there to speed things up but the logic are similar in that they all have reservation station, renaming registers ..x86 ISA only has 8 general purpose reg I believe..LOL...Intel may have 2 ALU, AMD may have 3, and so forth. Oh and they probably chop up the whole pipline into several ones and added one/two or more piplines and have some logic to excute OOO and have some other logic at the end to hole the result and put them back in order and store to some memory. lol..2 years cpu architecturer class in 1 min... eaiser said on paper..as OOO is extremely stressful when it comes time to debug the damn thing.
I'm curious why the rumors are of R520s with multiples-of-8 fragment pipes, when current GPUs are still based on quads, and the 7800 sells in 24- and 20-pipe variants. If R520 is in fact packing 32 pipes--which I still doubt, given the rumors at B3D--but defects are yielding less than that on the majority of the cores, why wouldn't the pipe count drop by quads: 28, 24, 20, 16, etc.? Don't say it's b/c ATI doesn't want to confuse the market, b/c there are a bazillion X800 SKUs for sale right now--and they plan on adding more!Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
what i'm trying to get to is, the es samples you see is designed for 32pp, but the ones you see on the market will be either 24 or 16 for now. Of course some will end up capable of 32pp but it will be so rare that it is impossible to find one.
You will see more 32pp on r580s.
Originally posted by: Creig
Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
it would be too expensive as of now to mass produce 32pipe r520s. The only time we will see a r520 32 pipe is when the 7800 ultra rolls out.
???? How do you figure that it's "too expensive" to mass produce at 32pp? If the core is indeed designed for 32pp and ATI is binning them for their various cards, then a 16pp core will cost ATI the same as a 24pp core which will cost the same as a 32pp core. What ATI will CHARGE for each level core is going to depend on yields.
Originally posted by: mgleason007
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
I won't ask again why you felt the need to relate to 6 generation old hardware
6th gen? how do you figure? the x800 is about ati's 4th competitive round of hardware, as the previous rages were pretty much all crap. and the x800 has a lot to do with the R300, so it might be more like round 3.5.
GeForce 1, GeForce 2, Geforce 3, Geforce 4xxx, GeForce 5xxx, Geforce 6xxx, GeForce 7800. You really needed that spelled out for you? Follow the conversation; he wasn't talking about ATI cards.
Originally posted by: gtx4u
x900 is a much better name than x1800 :/
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: mgleason007
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
I won't ask again why you felt the need to relate to 6 generation old hardware
6th gen? how do you figure? the x800 is about ati's 4th competitive round of hardware, as the previous rages were pretty much all crap. and the x800 has a lot to do with the R300, so it might be more like round 3.5.
GeForce 1, GeForce 2, Geforce 3, Geforce 4xxx, GeForce 5xxx, Geforce 6xxx, GeForce 7800. You really needed that spelled out for you? Follow the conversation; he wasn't talking about ATI cards.
gf2 wasn't a gen, it was a refresh. same with gf4 and (maybe) gf6. just like the tnt2 was a refresh of the tnt and the zx was a refresh of the riva 128. in general: the new gen adds new features, the refresh adds the ability to actually use those features. AND the poster he was quoting WAS talking about ati cards, and he referred to them as '6 generation'