Bad Celeron D Overclocks?

[superkdogg]

Hey all. Just got my new overclocking toy in the mail. Celeron D 320-2.4 @ stock, and I was hoping to up the fsb to ~200, which would yield 3.6 and a nice upgrade over my P4Mobile @ 2.4 (essentially a 2.4C without Hyperthreading). Got everything all set up in my Gigabyte 8IPE1000 Pro (865PE) and went to work. First try, I set the FSB to 166, figuring that by reputation, this chip should have no problem with that speed. WRONG. I don't know why, but the mobo defaulted back to 145 FSB. So, I decided to try less aggressively increasing, 3-4 Mhz at a time on the FSB. Eventually got up to a post @ 165, but not stable in Windows above 160 FSB. 2.88 Ghz, and basically on par or a little below my 2.4 for gaming, a little better at media processing-not an upgrade at all. It might be related that increasing voltage to cpu actually lowered my stable OC speeds, so I did get the 2.88 on stock voltage; unfortunately more voltage is not an option.

Any suggestions? Oh yeah, Corsair Value Select Ram that does about 209 @ 2.5-3-3 so RAM is not the issue, and an Antec 350W that supplies 16 A on the 12v rail. The exact same setup that runs 200 FSB dead stable with the other chip.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

16A 12v is really whimpy brudda. The other chip running 200fsb means dick if the actual power draw@2.4ghz is lower. Since voltage boost lowered the stable overclock check the temps. Right now heat and sufficent power are the usual suspects for you.

 

[Lyfer]

Go out to compusa and grab an ANtec 430 truepower and swap it out with your current generic crappo PSU. It'll make alot of difference.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Lyfer
Go out to compusa and grab an ANtec 430 truepower and swap it out with your current generic crappo PSU. It'll make alot of difference.

He has a Antec silly, it's just the whimpy model But it does have a pretty blue glow

 

[superkdogg]

So what you're saying is that 16A is too weak for a Prescott Celeron? If that's the case, how much more power does the other 3/4 of a MB of cache take(!)? No wonder these chips get hot. Unfortunately, I think that both of you are right and my PSU is letting me down. Too bad for me that I can't afford to buy one that would make a difference right now. I guess this chip and a cheap mobo will become an upgrade on my wife's Slot A Athlon (LOL, but true). Thanks,

 

[socket9851]

u have stated that your celeron D hardly overclockes to a 2.9 u wanted to change the bus to 200 mhz and run it at 3.6 ghz is that on stock heatsink,fan combo? can this chip overclock that far and be stable and run a long time? i overclocked my celeron D to 3.0 and its was stable but i got nervous and set it back to 2.8 what do u thinK?

 

[Zap]

Problem might be that the motherboard may have a FSB "hole" somewhere between 150-200MHz FSB. My Asus P4P800 Deluxe is like this. My Deleron 320 will run fine at 2.8GHz and runs fine at 3.6GHz, but won't POST in between.

 

[superHARD]

Originally posted by: Zap
Problem might be that the motherboard may have a FSB "hole" somewhere between 150-200MHz FSB. My Asus P4P800 Deluxe is like this. My Deleron 320 will run fine at 2.8GHz and runs fine at 3.6GHz, but won't POST in between.

That's good info!

 

[superkdogg]

That's cool, I'll try that right now. It would make sense if the clock generator is goofy, that would provide an explaination for the mobo going to 145 when I set FSB to 166.

To the guy who asked about chip lifetime when overclocking, it's all about temps and voltages. If you could set the chip to run 10 GHz without increasing voltage and managing the temperatures, you'd be fine. If yours goes 3.0 without increasing the voltage and your temps are still ok, you're good to go at that speed. Not to mention that even if you *or me, for that matter : P blows up our chip prematurely due to heat or voltage, it's only $72 now and will be less if it lasts 6-12 months before a premature expiration.

I've always believed in getting the most for my money, and lived by the motto that whenever a component melts down is a good time to get a new one. If I never break it, I don't get to replace it!

 

[socket9851]

whats a ok temperature for the celeron D and motherboard? i have stock heatsink/fan 2 rear case fans and a 3rd side case fan so there is good cooling there is nothing blocking the cpu/heatsink as far as airflow goes i have it running at 3 gig for a day now and i have not pushed the processor to the limits for a extended time for this is only going to be used for lite office work,email

 

[JeremiahTheGreat]

The Celeron D 2.4 is NOT a good overclocker... I have one myself and the most stable overclock is 3.1Ghz. If you can return the CPU, get the Cel-D 2.53 which overclocks a lot better. I wouldn't waste the money on a PSU either, because I suspected it was the problem, so went out to purchase a Antec Blu 480W PSU and it did nothing. For the price of the Cel-D + PSU I could have purchased a P4-3.0 :/

 

[Stormgiant]

Originally posted by: JeremiahTheGreat
The Celeron D 2.4 is NOT a good overclocker... I have one myself and the most stable overclock is 3.1Ghz. If you can return the CPU, get the Cel-D 2.53 which overclocks a lot better.

On what do you base for that statement ? One cpu ?

 

[socket9851]

i got mine OC at 3.0 stable as can be and i'm using a cheap Mb
CELERON D 2.4 OC to 3.0 not bad for a 71 dollar boxed processor

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Stormgiant

Originally posted by: JeremiahTheGreat
The Celeron D 2.4 is NOT a good overclocker... I have one myself and the most stable overclock is 3.1Ghz. If you can return the CPU, get the Cel-D 2.53 which overclocks a lot better.

On what do you base for that statement ? One cpu ?

Heh, my one 320 CPU seems quite happy at 3.6GHz. My one sample of a 330 CPU would NOT hit 4GHz stable. 325 (2.53GHz) would have to hit 3.8GHz to run at 200MHz FSB. Doable, but I think 3.6GHz is "easier." I'm still hoping that the 315 gets released and is priced really cheap. That would be such an easy OC to 3.4GHz.

 

[JeremiahTheGreat]

Originally posted by: Stormgiant
On what do you base for that statement ? One cpu ?

Already in this thread, its 2 bad overclocks vs 2 good overclocks.. check around and you'll see that many people are failing to o/c the 320 well. Probably us early adoptors got screwed over

 

[superkdogg]

I've now tried everything, and I cannot get over 2.95 or so. Damn, maybe after burn-in, it'll give me a moral victory to get over 3.0. At any rate, I wish I would have paid the extra few bucks and gotten a 2.4 prescott.

 

[SickBeast]

OP, there's always FS/FT if your buyer's remorse is that serious. You'll lose a bit of money but you'll probably feel much better about your system.

Honestly though, I doubt a 2.4 Prescott will yield a much higher overclock (if any at all).

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
OP, there's always FS/FT if your buyer's remorse is that serious. You'll lose a bit of money but you'll probably feel much better about your system.

Honestly though, I doubt a 2.4 Prescott will yield a much higher overclock (if any at all).

I've gone through three Prescott P4 2.4A chips and none of them overclocked higher than about 3.3-3.4GHz stable.

If anyone wants to sell the "guaranteed bad overclocking" Deleron 320 chips, if the price is cheap enough I'll take them off your hands.

 

[Porter21]

did even know celerons could really even oc since they are mainly for people on a budget, that arn't playing pc games.

 

[superkdogg]

Well, this is a new one. The more I abuse this thing, the better it does. I was able to get it to run stably at 160 FSB to rip a DVD, then I figured why not try higher? Went up to 167 where it was working fine *yeah* over 3 GHz. Still not as good as I was hoping for, but at least it's better than where I started. I'll let this thread die, but just wanted to update, since the OC is not horribly wretched anymore, just mildly disappointing. Oh well, what did I expect for $72!?

 

[superkdogg]

Don't mean to be rude, but OCing is for anyone on a budget. I can play pretty much any game with my OC'd 9800P and this Celery (maybe not at 16x12, 8x/16x and 60 FPS, but playable and enjoyable). I mainly wanted to reduce my time backing up DVD's vs. my Athlon XP (2 CPU's ago). This Deleron does nearly 2x as fast with DVD Shrink as my AXP @ 2.2. It's not as good for gaming, but the increase in encoding speed is worth the performance hit in games IMO. Just mine, not necessarily for anybody else.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Porter21
did even know celerons could really even oc since they are mainly for people on a budget, that arn't playing pc games.

I have to take issue with this comment. Not to be a FelixDeKat fanboi, but I have to say that Celerons are quite capable CPUs. There is nothing a modern Celeron cannot do that any other modern CPU can do, only at slower speeds. Also, Celerons have often been some of the better overclocking chips on the market. This dates back to the ORIGINAL Celeron 266 using the Slot1 boards without the benefit of L2 cache.

 

[xSeongminx]

First of all, I own a Celeron D 320 and have to say that they are EXCELLENT CPU's. I purchased a Fry's combo and got the cpu and an ECS 848P-A Mobo for 69.99$+tax. With it, I was able to derive an overclock to 3.51 Gigs. I'm not sure why you guys are getting low O/C's when you guys have better boards but just because you can't, doesn't mean that you have to crap on a cpu that will blow your P4 or AMD Barton away. If you can't believe my O/C, please request for pics via email or for hosting. I'll also throw in the SiSoft comparison charts.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: superkdogg
This Deleron does nearly 2x as fast with DVD Shrink as my AXP @ 2.2. It's not as good for gaming, but the increase in encoding speed is worth the performance hit in games IMO. Just mine, not necessarily for anybody else.

How long does it take you to shrink a DVD? My computer takes roughly an hour, and that's using the latest version of DVD shrink, deep analysis, and a 4X DVD burner. The burn takes 15 minutes or so, so I'm guessing it's around 45 minutes of processor-intensive stuff.

Oh yeah, my AXP is at 2.4 right now.

 

[D-Man]

I just stuck Celeron a 2.4D in my P4P800 Deluxe @ 1.5V and it is running stable so far @ 3.8. The funny thing about this is that It will run @ 3.6 and 3.8 but not @ 3.2 or 3.4. My P4 2.8 took a dump and while I RMA it I thought I would Play. I gonna do some heavy tests and should know in a few days if all is good with this thing.