Banned for Bad Tipping

[alkemyst]

You sir, are awesome. Best 1st post I have ever read.

This thread just got better by a factor of 10.

yeah awesome...I can see this definitely...I worked at nights a few days a week for a private Chinese restaurant in high school. Easy job, could have my girlfriend with me, etc.

Fucking cops at the stockade would order each night, come in to the restaurant as well...never tipped.

Not only that but like you said, they'd make a BIG DEAL about service while in the restaurant and then get verbally abusive when not catered too.

On the delivery side, they'd all place individual orders then get pissed when the $20+, $30+, $50+, etc freebies weren't included. On top of that the receptionist bitch would always complain about "No one ordered food here" then that would go to "sigh, how am I to get in touch with the officer, they are working", then once all that got worked out the person in charge of the orders would come up front with not enough money to even pay for the total order (they never added in tax and would just round up to the next dollar or so).

Finally the owner banned all police...it was a pretty major deal. Business actually improved due to no hostilities inside the place.

 

[alkemyst]

Standard race card reply from ATOT's first black troll.




Standard moronic response from the worldly GA.

If only fleabag hadn't been banned yesterday we could have a perfect trifecta.

along with Nik...

these guys just try too hard to do this shit. I don't get how racism is so accepted here lately.

 

[mugs]

I've never left a tip in my life and never will, even if I visit USA. What a ridiculous custom.

When I've traveled internationally I made an effort to learn how local customs differed from American customs, and I followed their customs.

You might want to avoid visiting Italy, they add the gratuity to the bill for you if you sit at a table. One pizza place I ate at charged 8000 lira for a small pizza and 4000 lira for a soda; if you sat down at a table it was an additional 4000 lira for the pizza and 4000 lira for the soda. Here in the US our waiters only expect 20%.

 

[Bignate603]

I've never left a tip in my life and never will, even if I visit USA. What a ridiculous custom.

So you're saying it's a silly system that lets you withhold money if service was terrible rather than being forced to pay full price no matter what the service was like? You probably pay about the same as we normally do for your meal, we can just adjust what we pay depending on the service.

 

[alkemyst]

Current System
good service = Customer spends price of meal + 18%
bad service = Customer spends price of meal + 0%

No-Tip System
good service = Customer spends price of meal + 18%
bad service = Customer spends price of meal + 18%

that's not how it works. In reality the 18% is for CUSTOMERS, usually over 6 or so because when it comes to paying the bill everyone forgets tax.

If legitimate as a complaint, just ask the server to ask the manager to come over about it.

Still most that do complain about this kind of shit are too poor to really eat out or expect too much service for their bargain meals in their area.

 

[zerocool84]

You are so right. I was a waitress through high school and college... you can't expect a good tip for sub-par service. Tipping is discretionary, however, if service is average and someone a patron doesn't tip I think the restaurant should be able to reserve the right to ban those patrons as it's not fair to servers only making a couple of dollars an hour to do back-breaking work to receive nothing.

Receive nothing??? You get your hourly minimum wage. If you need a higher paying job, don't work as a server. You have to EARN your tips. Too many waiters EXPECT tips as this seems on par with this handout society.

You give bad service you get nothing, you give great service you get a tip. Don't see why this always need to turn into a battle.

 

[alkemyst]

Receive nothing??? You get your hourly minimum wage. If you need a higher paying job, don't work as a server. You have to EARN your tips. Too many waiters EXPECT tips as this seems on par with this handout society.

You give bad service you get nothing, you give great service you get a tip. Don't see why this always need to turn into a battle.

Because you are on the lower end of the social scale and you expect freebies.

You do know there are many servers making much more than you out there just on tips and the patrons expect to keep that level of service.

I hate to break it to you, but service oriented work and payment on that service is what made us so great.

 

[zerocool84]

Because you are on the lower end of the social scale and you expect freebies.

You do know there are many servers making much more than you out there just on tips and the patrons expect to keep that level of service.

I hate to break it to you, but service oriented work and payment on that service is what made us so great.

I hate to break it to you but tipping doesn't make someone work better or harder. If it did we wouldn't have bad service and there wouldn't need to be threads like this. You earn the tip plain and simple. Don't see why there needs to be discussion on it.

 

[LauraMG]

Receive nothing??? You get your hourly minimum wage. If you need a higher paying job, don't work as a server. You have to EARN your tips. Too many waiters EXPECT tips as this seems on par with this handout society.

You give bad service you get nothing, you give great service you get a tip. Don't see why this always need to turn into a battle.

You're trying to argue with me, but we're saying the same thing, dude!

I said that if service is sub-par a server should expect to be compensated poorly. But, if service is acceptable or better a server should expect a tip. Did you know servers get paid less than minimum wage, though?

I waitressed for many years during high school and a little bit of college, and I can only remember a handful of times I got really bad tips-- some were my fault, but some weren't. I own up to the few times I couldn't provide good service because I was crazy-busy, but for the times I gave great service I should have been tipped. If you have the money to eat out, you should allow for a tip in the budget as well.

My question is where does the practice of tipping stop? In other words, do I tip the cable guy who probably already makes a decent living? Do I tip the postal carrier at the end of year? What are your thoughts on that?

 

[rh71]

Why not? The #1 goal of a business is to make money

maybe for asians, which I am btw... but the real goal of any good business should be customer satisfaction which means repeat business and referrals. Yes it leads to making money but many times I've seen make-money-at-the-expense-of-everything-else.

 

[zerocool84]

You're trying to argue with me, but we're saying the same thing, dude!

I said that if service is sub-par a server should expect to be compensated poorly. But, if service is acceptable or better a server should expect a tip. Did you know servers get paid less than minimum wage, though?

I waitressed for many years during high school and a little bit of college, and I can only remember a handful of times I got really bad tips-- some were my fault, but some weren't. I own up to the few times I couldn't provide good service because I was crazy-busy, but for the times I gave great service I should have been tipped. If you have the money to eat out, you should allow for a tip in the budget as well.

My question is where does the practice of tipping stop? In other words, do I tip the cable guy who probably already makes a decent living? Do I tip the postal carrier at the end of year? What are your thoughts on that?

People can tip wherever they want and they do. People tip the tow truck driver, the cable guy, the taxi driver, the person who gives you your take-out order, people tip everywhere but my belief is that tipping is out of hand in this country cus people just expect to get a tip for every little thing they do.

 

[SlitheryDee]

maybe for asians, which I am btw... but the real goal of any good business should be customer satisfaction which means repeat business and referrals. Yes it leads to making money but many times I've seen make-money-at-the-expense-of-everything-else.

It's still just about making money, but some businesses are able to take the notion a few levels deeper than the surface profit and expense. The real goal of any business is to make money in a way that is both sustainable and expandable. All the little extras that are provided by nice restaurants are means to that end. A customer that feels thoroughly pampered will come back, bring their friends, and pay extra for the experience. There is a certain amount of professional pride that goes into good business, but never delude yourself into thinking that money is not the object.

 

[JD50]

I hate to break it to you but tipping doesn't make someone work better or harder. If it did we wouldn't have bad service and there wouldn't need to be threads like this. You earn the tip plain and simple. Don't see why there needs to be discussion on it.

What? Of course it makes people work better and harder. Maybe not everyone, but there's plenty of people that work better and harder for more money. That's a ridiculous statement.

 

[zerocool84]

What? Of course it makes people work better and harder. Maybe not everyone, but there's plenty of people that work better and harder for more money. That's a ridiculous statement.

There's the certain people that do but it obviously doesn't make everyone work harder or else we wouldn't get bad service.

 

[LlamaLovin]

(Part A)So in summary:

She ate at your restaurant and paid the advertised price, no tip.(/A)



(B)Seriously, what makes you entitled to this tip just for doing your job?(/B) (C) (c1) You prepare food(/c1) , did you tip everyone else you interacted with who provided you with services this month?(/C) (D)Your bank teller(/D), (E) bus driver , gas pumper(/E)? (F)Do you drop off some cash at your ISP, TV & phone providers to tip their IT and field staff who are keeping your services running?(/F)

(G)No, you think because you serve food you deserve a little extra to pocket. (/G)

A: Yes. Want to try building blocks next to further your advancement of understanding how things work?

B: The fact that it's a common understanding between the patron and the restaurant that a tip is left for good service. I read over a letter she mailed to our restaurant about 9 months ago and she apologized for being an inconvenience even though we treated her, and I quote directly from this letter, "like a VIP guest". She got good service every time she came in and never tipped. Also, I forgot to make mention beforehand that SHE DIDN'T PAY THE 15%(not 18) the first time anyway. Our managers took it off the bill for her after the valid complaint she had been charged unfairly. It was after this event and the next time she came to eat that we informed her of the decision to add an auto 15% and she refused and left. Hence the situation we're in today.(almost 2 years later)

c1: Servers at Kanpai don't prepare food, or even touch food. It is hibachi style.

C: Yes, for the most part

D : No. It would be illegal I presume for a bank teller to take a "tip" and put it in their pocket on camera. Not worth the hassle

E: I don't ride the bus, nor have someone pump gas for me. But if I did either of those, you bet I would tip them heaps. Why wouldn't anybody?

F: IT technicians make more money in a year than I venture to say a lot of people here make in 3.

G: So do the 600 or 700 people who signed the I support Kanpai petition.

 

[alkemyst]

People can tip wherever they want and they do. People tip the tow truck driver, the cable guy, the taxi driver, the person who gives you your take-out order, people tip everywhere but my belief is that tipping is out of hand in this country cus people just expect to get a tip for every little thing they do.

I don't agree with this...maybe at the low low end of the food chain people always have a hand out.

The problem is the guy you quoted brings up the retard's argument (I am surprised he didn't have "do you tip your doctor?" in there). There are certain roles in our society which are dependent on tipping.

It's like the door man in a luxury building. Many times these guys realize they don't have what it takes to carve out a decent living doing something else, however; they are clean cut, pleasant to talk to/polite and willing to serve someone. That's the main key...today's youth and adults simply think they are all Bill Gates and everyone else needs to cater to them. So what happens is the building works out a small pay system for this door man and in return he keeps the tenants happy. In return for that, the tenants tip for getting the door, putting some mail in the outbox, maybe even him running over and getting their mail/paper for them as he sees them come, grabbing their wet umbrellas, etc.

It's sad the service industry today. We had to have a young lady fired at a pretty nice restaurant (about $40-50 a plate, nothing baller, but not TGIF either)...she was the hostess there...all pretty and pompous. Well as she was walking by someone at our table asked if she'd mind finding our waiter. She went ballistic even threw in the "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM!?!? I AM NOT A SERVER!"...

Anyway it was a scene...the manager and maitre'd came right over. We explained what we needed and what happened. It turns out our waiter was deathly ill in the restroom and they had to call a paramedic. We were comp'd the meal and told she would not be working there again. We paid anyway and took care of our server as they were very good up until the point they disappeared.

People are human though, they get sick; I can't fault someone for that.

 

[spaceman]

what a loser
lolololol
ya dont tip and keep going back
she aint mr pink ...
if u cant tip...dont go out to dinner u LOSER

 

[dennilfloss]

Just the tip!

What the hooker said to the leper after getting on her knees?

 

[alkemyst]

I hate to break it to you but tipping doesn't make someone work better or harder. If it did we wouldn't have bad service and there wouldn't need to be threads like this. You earn the tip plain and simple. Don't see why there needs to be discussion on it.

Like I have said, most are expecting something like a Friday's to have better service than what's standard. To me that's not bad service it's par for the course. You ever wonder why many times you don't see the same servers again there? If patrons grew a backbone and complained, things would get done. Leaving a penny or stiffing them tells them nothing. The management knows though who is rolling in the great tips and those tend to get better perks.

I push my plate charge up $10 and now I am getting someone waiting on half the tables the Friday's guy had and maybe even a dedicated busser.

Push it up to $40-50 a plate and I am starting to get pretty good on never needing anything, there is usually a manager live in the dining area making sure the staff is being efficient.

At $100+ I probably will have a dedicated server or two at my table.

Most here are talking about life at the lower end of this yet expect never to have to ask for a refill or their server has failed.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Like I have said, most are expecting something like a Friday's to have better service than what's standard. To me that's not bad service it's par for the course. You ever wonder why many times you don't see the same servers again there? If patrons grew a backbone and complained, things would get done. Leaving a penny or stiffing them tells them nothing. The management knows though who is rolling in the great tips and those tend to get better perks.

I push my plate charge up $10 and now I am getting someone waiting on half the tables the Friday's guy had and maybe even a dedicated busser.

Push it up to $40-50 a plate and I am starting to get pretty good on never needing anything, there is usually a manager live in the dining area making sure the staff is being efficient.

At $100+ I probably will have a dedicated server or two at my table.

Most here are talking about life at the lower end of this yet expect never to have to ask for a refill or their server has failed.

Agree. Zerocool and many others need to get jobs and move out of their parents house. Or work at a restaurant. They'd realize that there's plenty of people hustling, providing great service to earn their tip. But for some reason, he and others think that minimum wage is a livable wage and that's all they deserve or it's very easy to find a better/higher paying job.

Crap, I've been in a diner where I've gotten great service and left a $5 tip for a $10 meal.

Thankfully, based on the poll in the article, only 1% of the population think like him.

 

[JD50]

Agree. Zerocool and many others need to get jobs and move out of their parents house. Or work at a restaurant. They'd realize that there's plenty of people hustling, providing great service to earn their tip. But for some reason, he and others think that minimum wage is a livable wage and that's all they deserve or it's very easy to find a better/higher paying job.

Crap, I've been in a diner where I've gotten great service and left a $5 tip for a $10 meal.

Thankfully, based on the poll in the article, only 1% of the population think like him.

+1 for you and Alkemyst.

 

[JD50]

There's the certain people that do but it obviously doesn't make everyone work harder or else we wouldn't get bad service.

In general, people work harder for more money, that's not really debatable.

Of course you're going to get bad service sometimes, that's life. I get good service the vast majority of the time, even when I go to lower end restaurants. If you're constantly getting poor service then you're either a dick to the wait staff or you have unreasonable expectations. Or maybe you just eat at the wrong restaurants.

 

[Fenixgoon]

i accidentally gave a bad tip due to some fuzzy math. i realized it when i got back home. i felt back because the waitress gave great service

 

[SlitheryDee]

Agree. Zerocool and many others need to get jobs and move out of their parents house. Or work at a restaurant. They'd realize that there's plenty of people hustling, providing great service to earn their tip. But for some reason, he and others think that minimum wage is a livable wage and that's all they deserve or it's very easy to find a better/higher paying job.

Crap, I've been in a diner where I've gotten great service and left a $5 tip for a $10 meal.

Thankfully, based on the poll in the article, only 1% of the population think like him.

I'm partially on your side in this argument. I think good service should always get a tip, but at the same time we can't lose sight of what a tip is. A server's need for tips to get their pay level to a livable level is not an automatic obligation for a patron to provide it. Inherent in the concept of a tip is the chance that some ass will leave you hanging every now and then. That sucks, but it's part of the job.

It's when people start thinking that their need = my obligation that I take exception. It simply isn't true. Servers just want to take the chance out of what is essentially a gamble on their part. They are gambling that customers will appreciate their service enough to compensate them appropriately, and by and large, customers do. Tipping is so prevalent and generous that restaurants are able to justify paying less than minimum wage. A good waiter can potentially make a great deal of money in a single day on tips alone, or they could have a bad day and make very little. That's not good enough for many waiters though. They want their "tips" to be guaranteed, rather than subject to the whims of the fickle populace.

Something about that doesn't sit right with me.

 

[arcenite]

I'd like to see the names on that petition...