pfft. That's nothing. We get banned for bad typing all the time on ATOT :awe:
Apparently this cheap ass never paid a tip over the year she was eating at the restaurant.
BAN HER!!!!
Tip is a tip, not mandatory.
and they charged her 18% with a party of less then 6?
I dont think we are getting the full story here.
Yes and if they do a good job I'd tip them. You're not getting the point I and others have said. Do and good job and you get a tip. Do a bad job and get no tip. I don't see how you're missing the point. Maybe you're the one that needs to get out and get some fresh air.
Tip is a tip, not mandatory.
and they charged her 18% with a party of less then 6?
I dont think we are getting the full story here.
i've already given the full story as i work here. As a fellow svt enthusiast, i'm saddened you can't read.
Only in America are customers expected to dish out extra money for a waiter to do what they are suppose to do. I can't blame on the waiters, because they can't change the system where they are paid less than min wage, but this tradition/system is retarded.
The percentage system is fucked up too, a waiter pours a $200 bottle of wine is performing the exact same duty as pouring a $20 bottle of wine. Why do they deserve more because what the customer ordered?
If we required tips for all service based industries, we be paying tips to Sears guys delivering my washer and dryer, to the Comcast guy hooking up my internet, etc. Why not just include the min wage of the waiter into the menu prices? Then if the waiter goes above and beyond, the customer can still tip them extra? This is what every other country on the planet does.
Are you even old enough to drink? Nobody tips on alcohol in a restaurant.
Tips are why you can expect good service in America.
Are you even old enough to drink? Nobody tips on alcohol in a restaurant.
"Sears guy" and "Comcast guy" are a wee bit more skilled and trained than a waiter. Waiting is a performance based job, just like a sales person. They earn their income based on performance, but in the case of waiting it's in how well they served you, not screwed you. ^_^
Only in America are customers expected to dish out extra money for a waiter to do what they are suppose to do. I can't blame on the waiters, because they can't change the system where they are paid less than min wage, but this tradition/system is retarded.
The percentage system is fucked up too, a waiter pours a $200 bottle of wine is performing the exact same duty as pouring a $20 bottle of wine. Why do they deserve more because what the customer ordered?
If we required tips for all service based industries, we be paying tips to Sears guys delivering my washer and dryer, to the Comcast guy hooking up my internet, etc. Why not just include the min wage of the waiter into the menu prices? Then if the waiter goes above and beyond, the customer can still tip them extra? This is what every other country on the planet does.
You are very wrong here. I can think of maybe one or two times someone didn't tip on the alcohol when I was in this thankless business...maybe it's a regional thing. Everyone that I know tips on the full bill. I ALWAYS tip on the full bill even though I agree it's a fucked up system...because the server is still expected to claim a minimum percentage of the sales for tax purposes.
Check this scenario....
Total bill is $200, and $120 is alcohol.
The customer doesn't tip on the booze, but gives a 20% tip on the food of $16.
At the end of the night, the server must claim usually a minimum of 10 to 12% of the total sales he or she made....meaning that they would actually claim making $20 to $24 here, and be taxed on that amount. Claiming less than the 10 to 12% can easily result in a tax audit.
So the server is actually losing money by waiting on that customer. Pretty shitty system indeed. Just one more reason I would never do it again.
EDIT: oh yeah, and I forgot to mention that servers are usually expected to 'tip out' the bartender at the end of the shift since they are preparing the drinks. Do you tip the bartender when you drink at the bar??
At the end of the night, the server must claim usually a minimum of 10 to 12% of the total sales he or she made....meaning that they would actually claim making $20 to $24 here, and be taxed on that amount. Claiming less than the 10 to 12% can easily result in a tax audit.
I don't believe for a second that most waiters actually claim all of their tips on their taxes, so they're not losing any money. Bad tippers just reduce the amount of their tax evasion. Since they're still obligated to pay those taxes plus penalties, you could say that bad tippers save them money.
Whatever, you are obviously ignorant and have never been a server.
I think he still lives at home actually.
Whatever, you are obviously ignorant and have never been a server.
At the end of the night, the server must claim usually a minimum of 10 to 12% of the total sales he or she made....meaning that they would actually claim making $20 to $24 here, and be taxed on that amount.
I think he still lives at home actually.
You're right that I have never been a server, but other servers have posted on these forums that they don't claim all of their cash tips. I also know human nature, and I know that people will do what they can get away with.
If you read my post carefully, you would have seen that I casually admitted that most servers claim 10 to 12%, which is obviously below what most make in an evening. Even with this, servers typically don't make shit for the work they do...I know it looks easy, but believe me it's not. You wouldn't understand if you haven't done it.
Human nature...you should probably speak for yourself. Some of us are pretty honest people, and that is our nature.
So back to what I originally said - bad tippers don't cost you money because of taxes, they just reduce the amount of your tax evasion.
not the servers fault at all especially if you are eating at cattle feeding restaurants. That's an issue with the cook. Expect at a TGIF's on a Saturday night during rush that you food is not going to be brought to your table as fresh off the grill as a Morton's Steak house.
You can't be that dense, are you just trolling here?