Should? 10% is the norm, and for that I expect good service. If it's exceptional it will go to 15%, if bad, 5% as a 'try harder' or 0% for a 'fuck you, that was terrible and I won't be comming back'.
Should? 10% is the norm, and for that I expect good service. If it's exceptional it will go to 15%, if bad, 5% as a 'try harder' or 0% for a 'fuck you, that was terrible and I won't be comming back'.
dude where do you get 10% as the norm?
Servers can fuck off and get another job, IMHO, if they don't like it.
Again you don't understand what a tip is. The numbers I gave (based on avg of 4 people per table) were base pay and customers can still give a tip when it is actually WARRANTED. I can't get tips at my job... they can at theirs... there's your incentive for doing it... and doing it well. It just shifts who should be paying out how much. But no, you think they should be getting those $30+/hr payouts exclusively from customers just for being in the place doing what's already in their job description. No wonder kids would rather waiter in college... it's all but guaranteed GOOD money. Kids love the easy way out. The last time we were in there, I had to ask 3 times for the food and he got an item wrong... is this what continuous 15% tips from other patrons gets us?
If my actual numbers using math were so idiotic then what do you call an ambiguous "I can assure you it won't be $20." How so?
Also, unfortunately some of the quieter posts about black's being ridiculously poor tippers is true. When I was going to school in Atlanta my gf worked at a restaurant and the average tip from a black patron was around 5% and such patrons required 5 times more effort and would return food after eating half the meal. Perhaps it is anecdotal but she certainly experienced it for an entire summer in that establishment. I would just say it's the South but the white patrons would tip her similarly to when she worked in the Northeast.
PSA for all the upcoming high school twits that may be reading this, when you take a job base your expected income on what the operator is guaranteed to pay you. If you don't want to have to rely on voluntary[/] tips or commission earnings on the backend, then get another job.
5%
(10% if the service is exceptional)
You cheap, immature, selfish, black thief and so on and so forth.
Thats your opinion, not necessarily the way it is. As we've already discussed theres more than a handful of people who dont like it and dont support it.PSA for all folks new to America. Tipping is the expected custom here. Not tipping when the service was adequate or better is considered rude and those that don't tip considered self centered jack asses, morons or both. If you think tipping is stupid we can provide you a list of countries where it isn't the norm and you can head over there.
The restaurant was completely in the right this time, however the time they added the 18% without saying anything they were completely in the wrong. They gave her the terms up front and she didn't like them case closed.
Lets be honest here about the petition too, 300 people signed it? I bet no more than 2-4 of those people would have ever gone to this restaurant in any case.
Thats your opinion, not necessarily the way it is. As we've already discussed theres more than a handful of people who dont like it and dont support it.
I read thoroughly. Your ideas are moronic and a 5 year old would have a better understanding of economics. Servers get paid what the market has deemed is appropriate - it has nothing to do with whether their wages come from tips or not. VERY few people are either foreign or underage at any of the restaurants I go to. As I said, stop dining at McDonald's and/or come back to us when you have completed a remedial course in economics.
Thats your opinion, not necessarily the way it is. As we've already discussed theres more than a handful of people who dont like it and dont support it.
For everyone who states the "norm" is considered what's right... shall we start a list that would challenge that? Come on people, think about it.
Think about what? You looking like a dumbass loudmouthed cheapskate on a forum? OK.
For everyone who states the "norm" is considered what's right... shall we start a list that would challenge that? Come on people, think about it. More and more it sounds like people are defending their home country and what happens there rather than what's actually right. This isn't a sport, but it's ok to rank on your own team once in a while.
You misunderstand if you think I am defending tipping, I'm not a huge fan of it. I absolutely love visiting a country that has the actual prices you pay on things (all taxes, etc included) and where tipping is not at all expected. But I don't live in a country like that so I go along with the customs of where I live. When you "make a stand" against that custom you aren't heroically standing up for what is right you are just saving yourself some cash.
Standing against tipping isn't at all like standing against the other norms you want to bring up so badly. Remember this, you know that tipping is expected and you don't need to eat out so you can boycott tipping by not participating.