I haven't touched BF4's single player. The weapons unlocked there and in other modes are inconsequential. How many weapons do you need?
The last SP I went all the way through was Bad Company 2, before that was Half-Life 2 when it first came out. I have very little interest in singleplayer campaigns in a multiplayer centric game. Funny that BF4 requires you to play parts of singleplayer to unlock certain weapons that you can't get in multiplayer and even then I haven't gotten that far to even bother (only made it to the courtyard in the rain before I lost interest). The Call of Duty SP's are bland and dull.
I however don't mind SP games like Metal Gear Solid or Thief that can be played once in a while.
"Story" in video games are almost always jokes, including rpgs. Teamwork, competition, outsmarting the other team, and beating them at the game. It is no different than why anyone plays a competitive game against anyone. People don't need a "story" for a board game, sport, etc. It is the human competition, challenge, camaraderie, etc.
I agree that the draw to multiplayer games goes well beyond any sort of 'story' and that it is basically inconsequential and unnecessary. But to marginalize the story in any game simply by virtue of "it's a game" is a really narrow point of view.
I've played over 300 hours of BF4 and have yet to hear a SINGLE 12 year old use voip. This excuse is tiresome to hear. A majority listen and use teamwork even if they don't personally use a microphone and the ones that do use a microphone are able to contribute immensely even if they are not particularly skilled. I play on PC, so maybe the majority of the console players are lower. This would not surprise me. Though, i wouldn't be caught dead playing a fps on console.
Which platform you playing BF4 on? Nobody uses VOIP on PC version because of Ventrilo, Mumble and TS (lots of servers advertise joining those), I once joined a public Ventrilo and voila I heard some girly voiced whining and instantly logged off it.
On console, be thankful you have the option to turn VOIP off, I've played a few games (MW2 on X360) where I couldn't keep my headphones on for very long.
I've played over 300 hours of BF4 and have yet to hear a SINGLE 12 year old use voip. This excuse is tiresome to hear. A majority listen and use teamwork even if they don't personally use a microphone and the ones that do use a microphone are able to contribute immensely even if they are not particularly skilled. I play on PC, so maybe the majority of the console players are lower. This would not surprise me. Though, i wouldn't be caught dead playing a fps on console.
It's not even a legitimate excuse, though it's an issue on both PC and Consoles, though consoles are worse for it. I just felt taking a dig at the experience because I thought that was what we are doing right putting down other game experiences because we don't like it, right?
Again you call 99% of SP games stories trash and compare them to TV. Which as side comment most TV was trash 10 years ago. Movies Trash 20 years ago. At least by my standards but that didn't stop people from enjoying them. But some could say the same about mindlessly droning about a MP game for 300 just for the one or two times they get lucky and lead the leader board for a match. To different people they enjoy different aspects and getting bent out of shape trashing others peoples experiences just because they don't meet your tight criteria is as childish as people you say you never met in 300 hours of playing BF.
Shenmue had a good story, it was engaging, last of us..I don't like games with monsters much but the story made me want to see what happened next.
Some people just buy Mp only titles. I prefer single player since I'm not all too good at competitive multiplayer games.
I'm waiting more for rainbow six siege from what I seen it looks like it will force people to play together and that's what makes it fun most of the time. It's rare when I played on pc and ps4 that people actually stuck together.
All you are doing is dismissing my opinion because you don't like it and continue to try to harp on it, which is the childish behavior here. I have the rightto think that most videogame stories are trash, because from all of my experiences, they ARE. Everything from console rpg to PC rpg to every other genre, including the genre meant to be about stories, adventure games, which I play extensively.
I challenge that 99% suck. I am just saying that even if you're sensitive to plots, plot holes, and nitpicking of games right now, even your sources of more entertaining plots had by my standards tons of issues till recently, specially considering how long those forms of media existed compared to 3d gaming. As the medium grows and is able to get more skilled writers and directorship it will pickup as a whole. That said their are tons of really good stories you are tossing aside because you have played every genre and found it wanting. My point was I am not about to trash everyone's experiences watching TV in the early '00's and prior. I am not going to trash the experience of moviegoers in the 80's and 70's. They enjoyed it then, even if I wouldn't enjoy it now, who am I to judge people on what they are entertained by.Again, it is like you didn't read what I posted... I said COMPARED to even trashy tv, trashy tv is lightyears beyond 99.99% of videogames imo. So, by your definition, since tv was trash 10 years ago, that puts videogames in a pretty poor spot, right!?
And no, it is not a legitimate excuse for both pc and console. Again, I've played 318 hours of PC BF4 and have had ZERO 12 year olds in all that time. I think I had to mute someone for a broken microphone once though. Your wishful thinking(excuses) are not reality just because you wish them to be. You've admitted to not being a skilled player, and apparently you are too lazy to practice and improve. Therefore, you have resorted to outright making things up(excuses) to justify why you refuse to try to get better or play online.
The rumor of needing BF4 to get into the beta can be laid to rest,my second origin account which only has BC2 and MOH2010 has Hardline Beta ready to go if i feel so inclined to download.
Feel like a sad panda, so many damn people can't get into this beta and i got two damn invites...
I am dismissing your right your right to trash other players experiences. Saying I don't like SP games, even saying I don't like SP games because I don't think the stories are up to snuff is great. Saying "I don't know why people would even play SP, their stories are all trash" is as demeaning as saying that people who play MP, specially MP FPS games are usually douches that think to highly of themselves and their skills, and basically get off at murder porn. I wouldn't say that because you are right about what there is to like MP games. I am not going to disregard that.
I challenge that 99% suck. I am just saying that even if you're sensitive to plots, plot holes, and nitpicking of games right now, even your sources of more entertaining plots had by my standards tons of issues till recently, specially considering how long those forms of media existed compared to 3d gaming. As the medium grows and is able to get more skilled writers and directorship it will pickup as a whole. That said their are tons of really good stories you are tossing aside because you have played every genre and found it wanting. My point was I am not about to trash everyone's experiences watching TV in the early '00's and prior. I am not going to trash the experience of moviegoers in the 80's and 70's. They enjoyed it then, even if I wouldn't enjoy it now, who am I to judge people on what they are entertained by.
It is a legitimate excuse. Even if your oh so perfect society of perfect angels that are the only players playing BF4 for PC, the competitive and MP PC gaming world is filled with the the vocal minority of the most vile and despicable scum that exist. So much so that while I'll still MP on the PC. I wouldn't blame others from shying away from it and you telling me BF4 (which I admit to not playing as I easily lost interest in BF3) is proof that things are different would be like me trying to explain that the world is full of great SP stories by using TLoU as an example. I'd might be right about it being a great story, but it's at best its a shining star.
I don't need to come up with excuses on why MP games suck and people shouldn't play it. Because people should. There are fantastic MP experiences to be gained in all niches. I don't want or desire to trash those experiences to sell the idea of SP games. People can and should have SP games and whether you believe me or not there are tons of great SP stories and experiences out there. I do feel sorry for people who go out of their way to avoid those experiences. But I would say the same for people who avoid MP experiences (even if you have to put up with trolls every once and a while).
1. Doesn't make you any more qualified than I to make any kind blanket statement unless you have played them all.I am not sure if there is a language barrier problems here.
1. I play single player games all the time.
2. You don't like the way I phrased it, but those 2 thoughts are identical. You have every right not to like my personal way of expression. If you look to be insulted everywhere, you will find insult.
3. First person shooters have no relation whatsoever to "murder" any more than a game about space makes you into an astronaut or the sims gives you a god complex.
4. When you take out the hyperbolic ranting, you have not yet made an argument here.
Why less limited medium. Wouldn't it be the most unlimited way to tell a story. You can create a branching tale, or a very tight tale, you can give the player choices, or force them into action. It can be your story or their story. Heck new story you right could have 5 different approaches in games depending on how the content lends itself. If I was a writer would I want to write for a 20 million a year production in TV or 200 million dollar production in games?Some people are easily entertained. Some people require more. I am of the latter group. The medium "growing" will not change the fact that if you are a good storyteller, it makes more sense to write a book or pick a less limited medium. Why would a brilliant writer pick a videogame over a book or tv? "Good stories" in your opinion. I've played about 40 point and click adventure games, dozens of rpgs, etc etc etc. You may be impressed, but I am not. To me, they are absolutely average in every way. There is .01% that have a hint of intelligence, but that percentage is way too low for me.
I write a Truism about MP gaming and it's Hyperbole, yet you write the paragraph above this one and it's not? .01% really? That said. I played hours of BF1942, BF Vietnam (so much fun), BF2, BF2142 (underrated), and BF3. Vietnam being about the only one that didn't have the normal allotment of douches in it. Doesn't mean it was clean just not as big a group of players as the other ones. I find it even more laughable you would bring up TF2 and its mega troll laden existence, which between hacks and trolls during several points in it's life was damn near unplayable in MP's defense (one I note you don't need, I am unlike you, not suggesting people should avoid any of these games).Here you are with hyperbole again. It reduces your argument to nothing. As I've said, I've played 318 hours of BF4. Add in the 100 hours of BF3, 100s of BFBC2, 100s of BF2, 1000 in TF2, etc. In those 2000 hours, I've had literally one handful of bad experiences with voip communications. I won't play console, so I can't speak to that, but I can very much speak to PC. You yourself have said that you have stayed away from MP gaming... So, I think my experience dwarfs yours and is far more representative of reality. This has nothing to do with angels. It is reality.
I wouldn't expect you to. You have to be avoiding all the good SP games make the generalizations you have. I like all sorts of entertainment. I read more books than most of my friends (though not nearly as much as I would like), during a given year am watching 10-20 different non-reality, non-game show, TV series. Also a big Movie aficionado with over 250 Blu-rays and 146 HD-DVD's. I love experiencing others people imaginations in as many forms of media available. Guess what? I disagree with your statement that SP games are a poor way of getting those tales to me. Once again you have demeaned people for their own personal enjoyment in a game play experience you didn't enjoy.I can't comment on the story of a lone playstation game, as I have no interest in consoles. Their games, by and large, are way too simple for me to enjoy. I play games to be challenged. If I wanted walks in the parks and a story, I'd read a good book. Again, I've played over 40 adventure games with stories as a huge component to gameplay and I've seen people rant and rave about some of the "good" stories and they simply don't impress me whatsoever. I think people just have no clue what a good story is, and haven't read a good book or seen a good tv show, etc.
You can't come up with reasons because they don't exist. Besides, my argument was specifically about fpss and how worthless THEIR single player games are. This does NOT extend to ALL single player games, just this genre. Since you do not understand what my argument was, you go on to make generalizations that have nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at hand.
1. Doesn't make you any more qualified than I to make any kind blanket statement unless you have played them all.
2. For someone who gets worked up because I suggested with the experience anyone who has play MP games on any system has come in contact with might be playing the MP game your playing right now. You don't seem to have very thick skin. Kind of hypocritical. Just calling you out on it.
3. Your right slo mo death shots so you can excited about how awesomely you blew or had your head blown off is all about a sense of accomplishment and camaraderie /sarcasm. While you might enjoy as I have had before a great match or two in MP. Think of this from someone who doesn't get that sense of camaraderie and all you are doing for 8 hours is killing the same person over and over again in different ways.
4. My only point is that just because you enjoy a different type of game more doesn't mean that everyone else's favorites are trash and everyone should be wondering what type of person can possibly enjoy them.
Less for a few reasons. A book has the imagination as the limit. This is limitless. Video allows actual human actors, which brings the whole human connection thing. Games are limited by many things. It doesn't have the limitless imagination of a book nor a human component. It is limited by graphics and stymied by the game itself. You are artificially playing someone else's story.Why less limited medium. Wouldn't it be the most unlimited way to tell a story. You can create a branching tale, or a very tight tale, you can give the player choices, or force them into action. It can be your story or their story. Heck new story you right could have 5 different approaches in games depending on how the content lends itself. If I was a writer would I want to write for a 20 million a year production in TV or 200 million dollar production in games?
I write a Truism about MP gaming and it's Hyperbole, yet you write the paragraph above this one and it's not? .01% really? That said. I played hours of BF1942, BF Vietnam (so much fun), BF2, BF2142 (underrated), and BF3. Vietnam being about the only one that didn't have the normal allotment of douches in it. Doesn't mean it was clean just not as big a group of players as the other ones. I find it even more laughable you would bring up TF2 and its mega troll laden existence, which between hacks and trolls during several points in it's life was damn near unplayable in MP's defense (one I note you don't need, I am unlike you, not suggesting people should avoid any of these games).
I wouldn't expect you to. You have to be avoiding all the good SP games make the generalizations you have. I like all sorts of entertainment. I read more books than most of my friends (though not nearly as much as I would like), during a given year am watching 10-20 different non-reality, non-game show, TV series. Also a big Movie aficionado with over 250 Blu-rays and 146 HD-DVD's. I love experiencing others people imaginations in as many forms of media available. Guess what? I disagree with your statement that SP games are a poor way of getting those tales to me. Once again you have demeaned people for their own personal enjoyment in a game play experience you didn't enjoy.
Right off the bat I can say fine Bio Shock 2. But I could list dozens of fantastic FPS SP campaigns for you. Ones without a hint of RPG in them. It's not just about story, it's about pacing, it's about action, it about balance. Just because the plots themselves wouldn't stand up to a Best Picture script doesn't mean that the experience is therefore trash.
For a full blown AAA Single Player campaign by Visceral ? Why do you feel this way?
Feel like a sad panda, so many damn people can't get into this beta and i got two damn invites...
Because it looks like a BF4 Mod in the multiplayer videos. I didn't even know there was a single player campaign. Everything I've seen promoting it has been multi player. So maybe it's worth 20 bucks now.. maybe.
Whats funny is EA sent me a PS4 invite, even though I never signed up for it (signed up twice for PC). I gave it to a friend who never got a key, and he signed up for the PS4 beta when it was first announced.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1x9jre_battlefield-hardline-leaked-gameplay_videogames
I really don't get why everyone is pushing the its only $10 dlc thing. There are tons of games that don't have great multiplayer, or don't have multiplayer at all. Doesn't mean they are dlc for some other game. This seems more of a general gameplay and multiplayer test, nothing more. While I've only played 3-4 games of the beta, I know this isn't the full game. EA should probably release some single player videos. I guess many people didn't see the linked video. EA and Visceral probably thought they were doing something nice for BF fans by opening up the beta, and get some momentum for the release, but man, so much venom.
Or maybe you guys think your $10-15 is worth more than you think it is. I spent more than on one meal yesterday. And if I was younger it probably wouldn't even be in my system anymore! :biggrin:
Whats funny is EA sent me a PS4 invite, even though I never signed up for it (signed up twice for PC). I gave it to a friend who never got a key, and he signed up for the PS4 beta when it was first announced.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1x9jre_battlefield-hardline-leaked-gameplay_videogames
I really don't get why everyone is pushing the its only $10 dlc thing. There are tons of games that don't have great multiplayer, or don't have multiplayer at all. Doesn't mean they are dlc for some other game. This seems more of a general gameplay and multiplayer test, nothing more. While I've only played 3-4 games of the beta, I know this isn't the full game. EA should probably release some single player videos. I guess many people didn't see the linked video. EA and Visceral probably thought they were doing something nice for BF fans by opening up the beta, and get some momentum for the release, but man, so much venom.
Or maybe you guys think your $10-15 is worth more than you think it is. I spent more than on one meal yesterday. And if I was younger it probably wouldn't even be in my system anymore! :biggrin:
I don't get it, Hardline is its own game currently priced at $60
I'm saying it's only a 10-15 dlc because it looks like they took BF4, modified a couple of BF4 city maps, changed the skins on the players, and viola! New game. Battlefield:Hardline. Even the name sounds like a dlc or expansion pack.
It definitely doesn't look like it warrants a $70 price tag...
Whats funny is EA sent me a PS4 invite, even though I never signed up for it (signed up twice for PC). I gave it to a friend who never got a key, and he signed up for the PS4 beta when it was first announced.