Bama got an invite, after a season ending 4 game slide which included a loss to Louisiana-Monroe who is 6-6 (4-3), 3rd Sun Belt? Where they sandbagging for an easy bowl opponent?
Originally posted by: Svnla
So which conference has the most team in bowls this year? I counted and SEC has 9 --> LSU, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, Tenn, Miss State, Ark, Bama, Kentucky.
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Auburn is SEC-- SEC is hands down far and away better than Big 10 and yet LSU still manages to win (Convincingly most of the time)
Actually, the SEC has it's suckass teams just like every other conference. Ole miss sucks, Mississippi State sucks (but is improving), Bama has been sucking, Vandy sucks, South Carolina is very average, Kentucky usually sucks, etc...
You are acting like the spread offense is the only way to beat OSU. Spread offense is a weakness, but certainly not the only way to beat OSU.
The spread offense is not the only way to beat OSU but it's the best way. The traditional offense that LSU runs is something that OSU is good at defending. Your opinion that the defensive players for LSU are some sort of freaks of nature just isn't true either. LSU is a very good team but so is OSU and this title game is actually a pretty good match-up.
Kentucky has a ridiculous offense and a halfway decent D-Line. They live and die by how their secondary plays. I'm not saying that the SEC is without fault, just that the teams that do perform well perform VERY well, and the teams that aren't good are not like the Idaho's, Dukes, and Florida Internationals of the other conferences.
I completely understand what you are saying about playing right into OSU's strength, but they haven't played a team with the rare combination of size, strength, and speed (on both sides of the ball) that teams like USC and LSU possess.
And if you have seen LSU's D and O lines along with their linebackers you will see why they are so ridiculous. While their secondary isn't as good as their lines, they are still well above average.
-Kevin
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
Even though the schedule was weak, the Buckeyes actually beat the teams that they were supposed to aside from Illinois (which will play in the Rose Bowl), something the rest of the country cannot say. If the others teams are so much better than Ohio State, then they should have bothered to play like National Championship teams against unranked opponents at home. Ohio State had one loss, by a touchdown, to a team that ended up in the Rose Bowl. That's a bit more deserving than teams that lose in games which they are favored by 41 points (like USC to Stanford), twice when ranked #1 (like LSU to UK and Arkansas) and they should have several more losses, or to .500ish (Like Georgia to South Carolina).
The talent level isn't nearly as good as the other top 5 or so teams, but the results say that Ohio State is more deserving. Can't blame OSU for overachieving, when other teams are underachieving.
I know I can't just say quit the crap about last year, but it shouldn't have any bearing on who gets in the nc game. That was last years team and I don't see Florida around. We had one bad game against a good team, and suddenly people think that Ohio State will get destroyed by every non-conference opponent that has a pulse.
I'm hoping this year will dispel all this crap about sec speed sec speed parity parity parity
Will definitely be watching national championship/Rose/Sugar
Well, OSU is winless against the SEC.
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Auburn is SEC-- SEC is hands down far and away better than Big 10 and yet LSU still manages to win (Convincingly most of the time)
Actually, the SEC has it's suckass teams just like every other conference. Ole miss sucks, Mississippi State sucks (but is improving), Bama has been sucking, Vandy sucks, South Carolina is very average, Kentucky usually sucks, etc...
You are acting like the spread offense is the only way to beat OSU. Spread offense is a weakness, but certainly not the only way to beat OSU.
The spread offense is not the only way to beat OSU but it's the best way. The traditional offense that LSU runs is something that OSU is good at defending. Your opinion that the defensive players for LSU are some sort of freaks of nature just isn't true either. LSU is a very good team but so is OSU and this title game is actually a pretty good match-up.
Kentucky has a ridiculous offense and a halfway decent D-Line. They live and die by how their secondary plays. I'm not saying that the SEC is without fault, just that the teams that do perform well perform VERY well, and the teams that aren't good are not like the Idaho's, Dukes, and Florida Internationals of the other conferences.
I completely understand what you are saying about playing right into OSU's strength, but they haven't played a team with the rare combination of size, strength, and speed (on both sides of the ball) that teams like USC and LSU possess.
And if you have seen LSU's D and O lines along with their linebackers you will see why they are so ridiculous. While their secondary isn't as good as their lines, they are still well above average.
-Kevin
I'm an SEC fan and I give up. There's no way to have a logical conversation about this with you. So, I concede. LSU is ridiculously good. I don't see why this game is even being played. Just give the trophy to LSU because there's not another team in the country that is even qualified to hold their jocks.
Here's a quick hint in case you ever regain your sanity and come back to the real world. LSU isn't as good as ESPN says they are.
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Auburn is SEC-- SEC is hands down far and away better than Big 10 and yet LSU still manages to win (Convincingly most of the time)
Actually, the SEC has it's suckass teams just like every other conference. Ole miss sucks, Mississippi State sucks (but is improving), Bama has been sucking, Vandy sucks, South Carolina is very average, Kentucky usually sucks, etc...
You are acting like the spread offense is the only way to beat OSU. Spread offense is a weakness, but certainly not the only way to beat OSU.
The spread offense is not the only way to beat OSU but it's the best way. The traditional offense that LSU runs is something that OSU is good at defending. Your opinion that the defensive players for LSU are some sort of freaks of nature just isn't true either. LSU is a very good team but so is OSU and this title game is actually a pretty good match-up.
Kentucky has a ridiculous offense and a halfway decent D-Line. They live and die by how their secondary plays. I'm not saying that the SEC is without fault, just that the teams that do perform well perform VERY well, and the teams that aren't good are not like the Idaho's, Dukes, and Florida Internationals of the other conferences.
I completely understand what you are saying about playing right into OSU's strength, but they haven't played a team with the rare combination of size, strength, and speed (on both sides of the ball) that teams like USC and LSU possess.
And if you have seen LSU's D and O lines along with their linebackers you will see why they are so ridiculous. While their secondary isn't as good as their lines, they are still well above average.
-Kevin
I'm an SEC fan and I give up. There's no way to have a logical conversation about this with you. So, I concede. LSU is ridiculously good. I don't see why this game is even being played. Just give the trophy to LSU because there's not another team in the country that is even qualified to hold their jocks.
Here's a quick hint in case you ever regain your sanity and come back to the real world. LSU isn't as good as ESPN says they are.
But osu sucks. If LSU were playing anybody else in the top 5 or 6, I would agree that giving the game to LSU would be silly. But this is against osu. Come on. The big 10 is just THAT terrible that an LSU win is almost certain.
Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
I know I can't just say quit the crap about last year, but it shouldn't have any bearing on who gets in the nc game. That was last years team and I don't see Florida around. We had one bad game against a good team, and suddenly people think that Ohio State will get destroyed by every non-conference opponent that has a pulse.
I'm hoping this year will dispel all this crap about sec speed sec speed parity parity parity
Originally posted by: Furyline
If I've taken anything away from this year so far, it is to take all the conventional wisdom, matchups, scouting reports, and tv opinions, throw them all out the window, and just enjoy the chaos.
Originally posted by: Bob151
Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
I know I can't just say quit the crap about last year, but it shouldn't have any bearing on who gets in the nc game. That was last years team and I don't see Florida around. We had one bad game against a good team, and suddenly people think that Ohio State will get destroyed by every non-conference opponent that has a pulse.
Yup, Cooper isn't the coach anymore!
I'm hoping this year will dispel all this crap about sec speed sec speed parity parity parity
Yes, so many people watch one team fall apart in the NC game last bowl season and it is a sign for the whole conference for decades to come!
BTW, what was the result of SEC vs. Big Ten matchups last bowl season? Can someone update us?
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: Bob151
Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
I know I can't just say quit the crap about last year, but it shouldn't have any bearing on who gets in the nc game. That was last years team and I don't see Florida around. We had one bad game against a good team, and suddenly people think that Ohio State will get destroyed by every non-conference opponent that has a pulse.
Yup, Cooper isn't the coach anymore!
I'm hoping this year will dispel all this crap about sec speed sec speed parity parity parity
Yes, so many people watch one team fall apart in the NC game last bowl season and it is a sign for the whole conference for decades to come!
BTW, what was the result of SEC vs. Big Ten matchups last bowl season? Can someone update us?
All the top SEC teams were playing teams from better conferences.
Originally posted by: ElFenix
hey, look at that, the espn sportsnation standings were updated for this week.
gee, i guess i was right.
Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
which is why this year is pretty important for us. It's #1 big 10 v.s. #1 sec again.
And as far as the chaos etc. I think the bcs is fine. People were bitching about it last year, but clearly it worked out when pollsters leapfrogged Florida to #2 and USC won the rose. Worked out in 2005 as well when Vince Young beat godlike usc. Only year it hasn't worked out was with Auburn, but now the voters try and make sure that won't happen again.
The teams ranked 1 and 2 lost two weeks in a row is not the BCS?s fault. If college football had a playoff, and the top two seeds went down people wouldn't complain that the playoff system needed to be fixed. So why is it the BCS?s fault when LSU, Kansas, Missouri, and West Virginia all lose within a span of eight days?
We should just agree to disagree that anybody who quotes/says on espn that lsu is undefeated in regulation should be put up against a wall and shot.
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
which is why this year is pretty important for us. It's #1 big 10 v.s. #1 sec again.
And as far as the chaos etc. I think the bcs is fine. People were bitching about it last year, but clearly it worked out when pollsters leapfrogged Florida to #2 and USC won the rose. Worked out in 2005 as well when Vince Young beat godlike usc. Only year it hasn't worked out was with Auburn, but now the voters try and make sure that won't happen again.
The teams ranked 1 and 2 lost two weeks in a row is not the BCS?s fault. If college football had a playoff, and the top two seeds went down people wouldn't complain that the playoff system needed to be fixed. So why is it the BCS?s fault when LSU, Kansas, Missouri, and West Virginia all lose within a span of eight days?
We should just agree to disagree that anybody who quotes/says on espn that lsu is undefeated in regulation should be put up against a wall and shot.
Define "worked out". I would say the BCS "works" when it gives us a NC game with two teams that are actually worthy of being there.
- It didn't work in 2006 when Florida ran Ohio St. off the field.
- It didn't work in 2004 when SC laid a beatdown on Oklahoma
- It didn't work in 2001 when Nebraska, who wasn't even good enough to win their own conference got the opportunity to play in the NC game and get worked by Miami.
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
which is why this year is pretty important for us. It's #1 big 10 v.s. #1 sec again.
And as far as the chaos etc. I think the bcs is fine. People were bitching about it last year, but clearly it worked out when pollsters leapfrogged Florida to #2 and USC won the rose. Worked out in 2005 as well when Vince Young beat godlike usc. Only year it hasn't worked out was with Auburn, but now the voters try and make sure that won't happen again.
The teams ranked 1 and 2 lost two weeks in a row is not the BCS?s fault. If college football had a playoff, and the top two seeds went down people wouldn't complain that the playoff system needed to be fixed. So why is it the BCS?s fault when LSU, Kansas, Missouri, and West Virginia all lose within a span of eight days?
We should just agree to disagree that anybody who quotes/says on espn that lsu is undefeated in regulation should be put up against a wall and shot.
Define "worked out". I would say the BCS "works" when it gives us a NC game with two teams that are actually worthy of being there.
- It didn't work in 2006 when Florida ran Ohio St. off the field.
- It didn't work in 2004 when SC laid a beatdown on Oklahoma
- It didn't work in 2001 when Nebraska, who wasn't even good enough to win their own conference got the opportunity to play in the NC game and get worked by Miami.
Oh please, even in a playoff system, ncaa basketball for example, you can have a blow off game in the final. You can also say Colts ran Bears off the field in Superbowl early this year, and many time the AFC/NCF championship game is better then the Superbowl game. There is no system that can guarantee two "best", "most deserving" teams to play in the final game, or every final game to be evenly matched and competitive.
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Yes, but at least in those examples we know it's a case of a team having a bad game or one team is just built to exploit a weakness in the other teams offense/defense, etc..
No one complains about those blow outs because we know that those teams earned their way there. We can't say that the Saints were better than the Bears and got screwed by the system because we all saw what happened when those two teams played. The teams that make it to the championship went through the best teams in their league to get to get there. Whereas, Ohio St. for example, did their best to avoid having to play strong opponents, and by doing so, earned a spot in the title game. Do you see anything fundamentally flawed here?
The simple fact is, you can't decide who the best two teams in the nation are with writers. You can't decide it by committee. You can't figure it out with a computer.
Every football league from high school football, to Division 1AA, to the NFL uses a playoff system. The NHL uses one, so does the NBA, so does NCAA basketball, so does the WNBA, so does the MLB, so does NCAA baseball, so does the MLS, etc etc etc. There's a reason these leagues all use a playoff. Do you know what it is??? The answer is Playoffs Work. You BCS honks can keep blowing this system all you want but it's fundamentally flawed and anyone who doesn't believe that is either myopic, an idiot, or has a stake in it.
Originally posted by: Bob151
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: Bob151
Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
I know I can't just say quit the crap about last year, but it shouldn't have any bearing on who gets in the nc game. That was last years team and I don't see Florida around. We had one bad game against a good team, and suddenly people think that Ohio State will get destroyed by every non-conference opponent that has a pulse.
Yup, Cooper isn't the coach anymore!
I'm hoping this year will dispel all this crap about sec speed sec speed parity parity parity
Yes, so many people watch one team fall apart in the NC game last bowl season and it is a sign for the whole conference for decades to come!
BTW, what was the result of SEC vs. Big Ten matchups last bowl season? Can someone update us?
All the top SEC teams were playing teams from better conferences.
Oh, you're not of the position that the SEC is the best conference among all others?
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Yes, but at least in those examples we know it's a case of a team having a bad game or one team is just built to exploit a weakness in the other teams offense/defense, etc..
No one complains about those blow outs because we know that those teams earned their way there. We can't say that the Saints were better than the Bears and got screwed by the system because we all saw what happened when those two teams played. The teams that make it to the championship went through the best teams in their league to get to get there. Whereas, Ohio St. for example, did their best to avoid having to play strong opponents, and by doing so, earned a spot in the title game. Do you see anything fundamentally flawed here?
The simple fact is, you can't decide who the best two teams in the nation are with writers. You can't decide it by committee. You can't figure it out with a computer.
Every football league from high school football, to Division 1AA, to the NFL uses a playoff system. The NHL uses one, so does the NBA, so does NCAA basketball, so does the WNBA, so does the MLB, so does NCAA baseball, so does the MLS, etc etc etc. There's a reason these leagues all use a playoff. Do you know what it is??? The answer is Playoffs Work. You BCS honks can keep blowing this system all you want but it's fundamentally flawed and anyone who doesn't believe that is either myopic, an idiot, or has a stake in it.
So who is to decide the example you talked about in BCS games wasn't a case of team having a bad game or one team is built to exploit the other's teams weakness? I am all for a playoff system if someone can figure out a fair system without adding 3~4 games to a team. In a college football term, that's like 1/4~1/3 of the season. Remember those college players are "student athletes", how much work are you gonna add to those player for your pleasure?
College basedball and basketball has like 40+ games in a season, few more games in the post season doesn't add as much work to the students as football.
Let's face it, no system is gonna be perfect, not bcs, not playoff. Let's just enjoy the freaking game and stop being so anal about the absolute perfect system.
Originally posted by: Jawo
Damn the BCS!!! If they only used the original formula for the BCS it would be deja vu...LSU vs VT for the National Championship! The original BCS formula heavily weighted the computer polls even more. VT is #1 in the computers (0.960) with LSU close behind (0.950). Overrated State is further back at 0.910. I've always thought that OSU was over ranked and now this is just ridiculous!
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Should have been LSU and Georgia in the title game. Once again the BCS gets it horribly wrong.
Originally posted by: rchiu
So who is to decide the example you talked about in BCS games wasn't a case of team having a bad game or one team is built to exploit the other's teams weakness? I am all for a playoff system if someone can figure out a fair system without adding 3~4 games to a team. In a college football term, that's like 1/4~1/3 of the season. Remember those college players are "student athletes", how much work are you gonna add to those player for your pleasure?
College basedball and basketball has like 40+ games in a season, few more games in the post season doesn't add as much work to the students as football.
Let's face it, no system is gonna be perfect, not bcs, not playoff. Let's just enjoy the freaking game and stop being so anal about the absolute perfect system.
Originally posted by: JasonCoder
Nah, you're not looking at the match ups. If you're on the west coast I could understand that. Trust me, Carroll is massing tape on that offense and defense right now. Illini offense is better than USC's and the Illini D is on par with USC's... probably not as strong on the line.