*BCS Top 5 Standings Shakeup*

[kalster]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
USC should not be there though. You can't honestly jump 6 teams, 1 of which being SEC, one Big 12 and an ACC Champion. Its just too much...

-Kevin

They would be jumping only an SEC and an ACC champion. OU is ranked behind USC. USC doesn't belong in the National Championship Game and neither does LSU.

i agree , usc and lsu need to play in a bowl game, winner gets the AP title

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Pepsei

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: kalster
osu and vt i guess, but both acc and big 10 are inferior to sec and pac10

How can the human voters(or even computers) put VT ahead of LSU. It isnt going to happen.

Honestly it should be LSU vs OU.

They are bar none, the top two teams in college football at this moment.

I predict a split national title if LSU isnt in the BCS Title game.

but you can also argue that, LSU lost to 2 unranked teams, while VT lost to 2 ranked teams.

UK was ranked #17.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
USC should not be there though. You can't honestly jump 6 teams, 1 of which being SEC, one Big 12 and an ACC Champion. Its just too much...

-Kevin

They would be jumping only an SEC and an ACC champion. OU is ranked behind USC. USC doesn't belong in the National Championship Game and neither does LSU.

Man I am tired. I meant AN SEC team (Georgia), A Big 12 team (Kansas), and AN ACC Champion (VT). I didn't mean for Champion to apply to all of them. Having said that I realize they would also have to jump the SEC Champion (LSU)-- and no one can deny that the SEC is the toughest conference to play in.

USC and OU cannot jump high enough-- its absurd to jump a team 6, 7, 8 ranks.

-Kevin

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
OSU most definitely is not. Do you honestly think that OSU can beat any team in the country right now-- AFTER getting blown out by an SEC team last year?

What does last year's team have to do with this year's team?

 

[JEDIYoda]

BCS is the biggest joke in all of college sports!!

 

[Gamingphreek]

Hawaii is getting annihilated by Washington right now-- so that argument will die.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Pepsei

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: kalster
osu and vt i guess, but both acc and big 10 are inferior to sec and pac10

How can the human voters(or even computers) put VT ahead of LSU. It isnt going to happen.

Honestly it should be LSU vs OU.

They are bar none, the top two teams in college football at this moment.

I predict a split national title if LSU isnt in the BCS Title game.

but you can also argue that, LSU lost to 2 unranked teams, while VT lost to 2 ranked teams.

UK was ranked #17.

UK is currently unranked. Arkansas is currently unranked.

BC is currently ranked. LSU is currently ranked.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
OSU most definitely is not. Do you honestly think that OSU can beat any team in the country right now-- AFTER getting blown out by an SEC team last year?

What does last year's team have to do with this year's team?

Because they CANNOT play out of conference. The SEC teams just dominate the others. Big 12 follows that and ACC follows that (Big 10 after that in my mind). OSU is media favorites which is why they are ranked so high. They are good, but they are not title game good.

-Kevin

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
USC should not be there though. You can't honestly jump 6 teams, 1 of which being SEC, one Big 12 and an ACC Champion. Its just too much...

-Kevin

They would be jumping only an SEC and an ACC champion. OU is ranked behind USC. USC doesn't belong in the National Championship Game and neither does LSU.

Man I am tired. I meant AN SEC team (Georgia), A Big 12 team (Kansas), and AN ACC Champion (VT). I didn't mean for Champion to apply to all of them. Having said that I realize they would also have to jump the SEC Champion (LSU)-- and no one can deny that the SEC is the toughest conference to play in.

USC and OU cannot jump high enough-- its absurd to jump a team 6, 7, 8 ranks.

-Kevin

Those teamsn that you just mentioned, LSU would also be jumping. So its not absurd for LSU to jump 5 spots?

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Pepsei

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: kalster
osu and vt i guess, but both acc and big 10 are inferior to sec and pac10

How can the human voters(or even computers) put VT ahead of LSU. It isnt going to happen.

Honestly it should be LSU vs OU.

They are bar none, the top two teams in college football at this moment.

I predict a split national title if LSU isnt in the BCS Title game.

but you can also argue that, LSU lost to 2 unranked teams, while VT lost to 2 ranked teams.

UK was ranked #17.

UK is currently unranked. Arkansas is currently unranked.
BC is currently ranked. LSU is currently ranked.

good point, so the computers will probably rank VT higher than LSU because of that.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
USC should not be there though. You can't honestly jump 6 teams, 1 of which being SEC, one Big 12 and an ACC Champion. Its just too much...

-Kevin

They would be jumping only an SEC and an ACC champion. OU is ranked behind USC. USC doesn't belong in the National Championship Game and neither does LSU.

Man I am tired. I meant AN SEC team (Georgia), A Big 12 team (Kansas), and AN ACC Champion (VT). I didn't mean for Champion to apply to all of them. Having said that I realize they would also have to jump the SEC Champion (LSU)-- and no one can deny that the SEC is the toughest conference to play in.

USC and OU cannot jump high enough-- its absurd to jump a team 6, 7, 8 ranks.

-Kevin

Those teamsn that you just mentioned, LSU would also be jumping. So its not absurd for LSU to jump 5 spots?

True, but LSU won the SEC title-- Georgia didn't. And as you said, they beat VT (injuries aside) once before. I can make a case for most teams up there, but LSU can beat any of the teams in front of them (except perhaps Georgia and VT).

-Kevin

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
USC should not be there though. You can't honestly jump 6 teams, 1 of which being SEC, one Big 12 and an ACC Champion. Its just too much...

-Kevin

They would be jumping only an SEC and an ACC champion. OU is ranked behind USC. USC doesn't belong in the National Championship Game and neither does LSU.

Man I am tired. I meant AN SEC team (Georgia), A Big 12 team (Kansas), and AN ACC Champion (VT). I didn't mean for Champion to apply to all of them. Having said that I realize they would also have to jump the SEC Champion (LSU)-- and no one can deny that the SEC is the toughest conference to play in.

USC and OU cannot jump high enough-- its absurd to jump a team 6, 7, 8 ranks.

-Kevin

Those teamsn that you just mentioned, LSU would also be jumping. So its not absurd for LSU to jump 5 spots?

you forget that SEC >> EVERYONE even if they lose they should have won :roll:

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Pepsei

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Pepsei

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: kalster
osu and vt i guess, but both acc and big 10 are inferior to sec and pac10

How can the human voters(or even computers) put VT ahead of LSU. It isnt going to happen.

Honestly it should be LSU vs OU.

They are bar none, the top two teams in college football at this moment.

I predict a split national title if LSU isnt in the BCS Title game.

but you can also argue that, LSU lost to 2 unranked teams, while VT lost to 2 ranked teams.

UK was ranked #17.

UK is currently unranked. Arkansas is currently unranked.
BC is currently ranked. LSU is currently ranked.

good point, so the computers will probably rank VT higher than LSU because of that.

I thought the computers took margin of victory into account heavily also though.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: BigJelly

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
USC should not be there though. You can't honestly jump 6 teams, 1 of which being SEC, one Big 12 and an ACC Champion. Its just too much...

-Kevin

They would be jumping only an SEC and an ACC champion. OU is ranked behind USC. USC doesn't belong in the National Championship Game and neither does LSU.

Man I am tired. I meant AN SEC team (Georgia), A Big 12 team (Kansas), and AN ACC Champion (VT). I didn't mean for Champion to apply to all of them. Having said that I realize they would also have to jump the SEC Champion (LSU)-- and no one can deny that the SEC is the toughest conference to play in.

USC and OU cannot jump high enough-- its absurd to jump a team 6, 7, 8 ranks.

-Kevin

Those teamsn that you just mentioned, LSU would also be jumping. So its not absurd for LSU to jump 5 spots?

you forget that SEC >> EVERYONE even if they lose they should have won :roll:

Look what happens when SEC plays anyone out of conference, they annihilate them. You can't honestly say that any other conference is better (Believe me I would love for my ACC to be better)

-Kevin

 

[Fingolfin269]

I think experts would agree that the SEC is the dominant football conference. If this is the case and there is a choice between VT/OK/UGA/LSU then I think the fact that you even have to choose means you should default to the side of which team comes from the best conference. When you add in that LSU has a non-conference win over one of the teams in the discussion it pretty much makes it a moot point if you are going to discount UGA for not winning the SEC.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Pepsei

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Pepsei

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: kalster
osu and vt i guess, but both acc and big 10 are inferior to sec and pac10

How can the human voters(or even computers) put VT ahead of LSU. It isnt going to happen.

Honestly it should be LSU vs OU.

They are bar none, the top two teams in college football at this moment.

I predict a split national title if LSU isnt in the BCS Title game.

but you can also argue that, LSU lost to 2 unranked teams, while VT lost to 2 ranked teams.

UK was ranked #17.

UK is currently unranked. Arkansas is currently unranked.
BC is currently ranked. LSU is currently ranked.

good point, so the computers will probably rank VT higher than LSU because of that.

OU's 2 losses are to unranked teams as well (at time of play and currently).

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
USC should not be there though. You can't honestly jump 6 teams, 1 of which being SEC, one Big 12 and an ACC Champion. Its just too much...

-Kevin

They would be jumping only an SEC and an ACC champion. OU is ranked behind USC. USC doesn't belong in the National Championship Game and neither does LSU.

Man I am tired. I meant AN SEC team (Georgia), A Big 12 team (Kansas), and AN ACC Champion (VT). I didn't mean for Champion to apply to all of them. Having said that I realize they would also have to jump the SEC Champion (LSU)-- and no one can deny that the SEC is the toughest conference to play in.

USC and OU cannot jump high enough-- its absurd to jump a team 6, 7, 8 ranks.

-Kevin

Those teamsn that you just mentioned, LSU would also be jumping. So its not absurd for LSU to jump 5 spots?

True, but LSU won the SEC title-- Georgia didn't. And as you said, they beat VT (injuries aside) once before. I can make a case for most teams up there, but LSU can beat any of the teams in front of them (except perhaps Georgia and VT).

-Kevin

just like lsu "should" have beaten unranked arkansas and kentucky?

lsu is a good team but they have a unpredictable coach, they are lucky they played an overated notre dame last year in the bcs bowl, if they play osu i expect tressel to out-coach miles

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
USC should not be there though. You can't honestly jump 6 teams, 1 of which being SEC, one Big 12 and an ACC Champion. Its just too much...

-Kevin

They would be jumping only an SEC and an ACC champion. OU is ranked behind USC. USC doesn't belong in the National Championship Game and neither does LSU.

Man I am tired. I meant AN SEC team (Georgia), A Big 12 team (Kansas), and AN ACC Champion (VT). I didn't mean for Champion to apply to all of them. Having said that I realize they would also have to jump the SEC Champion (LSU)-- and no one can deny that the SEC is the toughest conference to play in.

USC and OU cannot jump high enough-- its absurd to jump a team 6, 7, 8 ranks.

-Kevin

Those teamsn that you just mentioned, LSU would also be jumping. So its not absurd for LSU to jump 5 spots?

True, but LSU won the SEC title-- Georgia didn't. And as you said, they beat VT (injuries aside) once before. I can make a case for most teams up there, but LSU can beat any of the teams in front of them (except perhaps Georgia and VT).

-Kevin

just like lsu "should" have beaten unranked arkansas and kentucky?

lsu is a good team but they have a unpredictable coach, they are lucky they played an overated notre dame last year in the bcs bowl, if they play osu i expect tressel to out-coach miles

That doesn't take much.

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Pepsei

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Pepsei

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: kalster
osu and vt i guess, but both acc and big 10 are inferior to sec and pac10

How can the human voters(or even computers) put VT ahead of LSU. It isnt going to happen.

Honestly it should be LSU vs OU.

They are bar none, the top two teams in college football at this moment.

I predict a split national title if LSU isnt in the BCS Title game.

but you can also argue that, LSU lost to 2 unranked teams, while VT lost to 2 ranked teams.

last week's computer ranking had VT at 6 with LSU at 7, things that can affect it are VT's win over BC and LSU's win over Tenn today.

UK was ranked #17.

UK is currently unranked. Arkansas is currently unranked.
BC is currently ranked. LSU is currently ranked.

good point, so the computers will probably rank VT higher than LSU because of that.

I thought the computers took margin of victory into account heavily also though.

the computer had VT at 6 and LSU at 7 last week... so who knows.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
[snip] LSU can beat any of the teams in front of them (except perhaps Georgia and VT).

-Kevin

And you still think LSU should jump VT?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
[snip] LSU can beat any of the teams in front of them (except perhaps Georgia and VT).

-Kevin

And you still think LSU should jump VT?

Of course they should. People want to talk about LSU's losses (ties really) being to unranked teams but they don't want to talk about their wins. I know VT sure as hell doesn't want to talk about LSU's quality wins.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
[snip] LSU can beat any of the teams in front of them (except perhaps Georgia and VT).

-Kevin

And you still think LSU should jump VT?

Injuries or not they killed us earlier this year. AND the SEC is harder to play in than the SEC. And when I say "except" I mean Georgia and VT would be ~4.5pt underdogs.

I did like the point made earlier. Les Miles can be very unpredictable, and I think most of the other coaches can out coach him.

-Kevin

 

[Furyline]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Pepsei

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Pepsei


but you can also argue that, LSU lost to 2 unranked teams, while VT lost to 2 ranked teams.

UK was ranked #17.

UK is currently unranked. Arkansas is currently unranked.
BC is currently ranked. LSU is currently ranked.

good point, so the computers will probably rank VT higher than LSU because of that.

I thought the computers took margin of victory into account heavily also though.

coming into this week, computers had VT higher than LSU, that position probably won't change after this week.. will it?
bcs coming into this week, for reference

 

[Gamingphreek]

Just a question. Can the computer rankings change for Georgia, Kansas, and OSU since they didn't play? I know other factors can change (AP and Coaches poll) that can put them up, but can the computer rankings change at all?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Furyline

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

I thought the computers took margin of victory into account heavily also though.

coming into this week, computers had VT higher than LSU, that position probably won't change after this week.. will it?
bcs coming into this week, for reference

.810 vs. .790 isn't that much of a difference. almost a tie, really.

computers do not take margin of victory into account due to BCS political correctness. they don't want to encourage running up the score.


VT has already played BC. now, if you win both you're not supposed to get the second win counted for much (for some stupid reason), but if you lose the first and win the second i'm not sure what happens.


LSU hadn't played tennessee already this year, so it'll get a boost in the computers.


and frankly, VT shouldn't be in it over LSU because LSU destroyed VT in the second week of the season.


put me in for the goddamned sooners or USC vs LSU in the title game. tOSU simply isn't that good. the lost to illinois, who lost to mizzou, who got beat pretty bad this evening.

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Just a question. Can the computer rankings change for Georgia, Kansas, and OSU since they didn't play? I know other factors can change (AP and Coaches poll) that can put them up, but can the computer rankings change at all?

other than just the teams ahead of them losing? yes. the computers probably have a lot of SOS built into their formulas, so if an opponent or an opponent of an opponent (or maybe further!) played, it could change how the computers score a team.