Best 64-bit OS?

[thirdlegstump]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: deathkoba
I think you've simply run out of arguments against me and are using mere trickery to make yourself appear smarter than you really are.

Huh? You haven't shown any arguments yet. Linux has a command line, so does Mac OS X. Mac OS X is a GUI on top of Darwin, which is a command line based OS. Look it up.

If you're worried about /proc, don't. I've rarely touched it, and I use Linux daily.

Mac OS X is the best 64-bit OS there is and there's no doubt about it.

It's the best for you, not the best. "The best" is subjective, not objective.

Yes and Windows has a command line as well. What's your point? When I see a smile on someone's face and becomes loyally attached to a platform, that's enough to convince me and most people that it's the best, and I've only witnessed Mac users bearing that face.

 

[Nothinman]

It provides end users with many useful network utilities via Apple's legendary ease of use and design as a result providing advanced network tools to a broader range of users, not just geeks.

Advanced network tools? Do you even know what it is? It's a stupid, registry-like system for holding/hiding things that are normally found in /etc/hosts and such. And the best part is that the plain files like /etc/hosts are still there on the system, but they're not used as long as NetInfo is running so if you think you're on a unix system (like Apple claims OS X is) and you edit /etc/hosts it won't actually do anything, how's that for ease of use?

http://www.linux-vpn.de/screenshots/shell/shell.png

Not an ugly screenshot but what's depicted IS ugly and unnecessarily complex. It's like going back to the old ages.

And you can see the exact same thing on OS X if you want.

Yes, /proc is a mess. But they're working on it. I think they have 3 /procs now.

/proc is irrelevant, I can't think of a single use that a normal user would have for poking around in there.

And yes, it's being cleaned up. But for the sake of developers, not for users since users don't need to ever mess with it.

See what I mean? They're WORKING ON IT. It means it's not working and a mess

So Apple has stopped working on OS X?

In fact I don't even know what /proc is. That's how archaic it is.

Just because you don't know about it, it sucks? That's great reasoning. I _think_ OS X even has a /proc, most unixes do even though it's simply process information.

With Macintosh, I know exactly what everything does and what to expect when I do something

So if you accidentally had the S key stuck down during boot and it booted into single user mode, you would know exactly what to do?

In the end, that's what counts to 99.999% of the people out there, not some cheap looking low res jaggedy looking text on a black screen talking in computer language.

1600x1200 is low res?

I think you've simply run out of arguments against me and are using mere trickery to make yourself appear smarter than you really are.

No, it's just that you're the one crying about how bad Linux sucks and OS X is great and yet just about everything you've posted about exists in OS X too.

Mac OS X is the best 64-bit OS there is and there's no doubt about it.

OS X wasn't even 64-bit until the very last release, despite Apple's marketing saying otherwise.

And what about the imminent Intel release? Will it be 32-bit or 64-bit?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Yes and Windows has a command line as well. What's your point? When I see a smile on someone's face and becomes loyally attached to a platform, that's enough to convince me and most people that it's the best, and I've only witnessed Mac users bearing that face.

The Windows command line isn't an integral part of the system, Mac OS X's is. It's built on a GUI-less OS. That's my point.

I've seen people smile using Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Mac OS X, DOS whatever, Windows 3.1/95/98/98se/NT/2k/XP, Solaris (6,7,8,9), HP-UX... It doesn't mean any of these are the best for me. It's subjective.

 

[thirdlegstump]

eh..do you guys think anyone cares about what you think? It's the majority that counts and Apple is re-emerging as the universal platform of choice across the world especially to integrate perfectly with their various appliance products dominating every market. Can't hold a candle to that now can you?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
eh..do you guys think anyone cares about what you think? It's the majority that counts

So, you're a Windows supporter then, huh?

 

[thirdlegstump]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: deathkoba
eh..do you guys think anyone cares about what you think? It's the majority that counts

So, you're a Windows supporter then, huh?

....what makes you think that? I support innovative products and companies that's all. I'm only pointing out that no one cares about your opinions on miniscule details that affect 0.0001% of the people.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
....what makes you think that? I support innovative products and companies that's all. I'm only pointing out that no one cares about your opinions on miniscule details that affect 0.0001% of the people.

You support innovative products? Mac OS X is built on:

• A MACH kernel, originally developped at CMU.
• FreeBSD's kernel, originally developped by not apple.
• FreeBSD's userland, also not developped by Apple.
• OpenSSH, not even contributed to by Apple.
• gnu tools (bash, gcc, etc.) are not developped by Apple.
• Safari is based on KHTML, which was made by the KDE guys.

What did I forget?

Want to celebrate innovation, NeXT was innovative in the beginning. Look at Plan 9. Apple did just what Linux distros do: They took a bunch of third part software, modified it a bit, and branded the finished product as their own.

EDIT: I doubt Apple stuff affects even that many people. Heck, half of the recent apple supporters out there do it because they are geeks.

 

[thirdlegstump]

Your definition of innovation is different than mine in that case. Apple was able to compile a good blend of open source products, build a seamless, feature rich product that's super easy to use and mass market it for profit. THAT is innovation.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Your definition of innovation is different than mine in that case. Apple was able to compile a good blend of open source products, build a seamless, feature rich product that's super easy to use and mass market it for profit. THAT is innovation.

And NeXT did it before them. :Q

 

[thirdlegstump]

Ugh. You is one clueless mofo :roll:

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Ugh. You is one clueless mofo :roll:

What about this discussion makes you consider me clueless? At least I can see how preference is subjective instead of objective, which is something you seem to be having issues with.

 

[thirdlegstump]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Ugh. You is one clueless mofo :roll:

What about this discussion makes you consider me clueless? At least I can see how preference is subjective instead of objective, which is something you seem to be having issues with.

You are the most gullible of Mac users ever.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: deathkoba

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Ugh. You is one clueless mofo :roll:

What about this discussion makes you consider me clueless? At least I can see how preference is subjective instead of objective, which is something you seem to be having issues with.

You are the most gullible of Mac users ever.

Second most, I'm not digging the x86 switch like some tools.

I'm guessing you're a Windows user that just wanted to pick a fight.

 

[thirdlegstump]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: deathkoba

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Ugh. You is one clueless mofo :roll:

What about this discussion makes you consider me clueless? At least I can see how preference is subjective instead of objective, which is something you seem to be having issues with.

You are the most gullible of Mac users ever.

Second most, I'm not digging the x86 switch like some tools.

I'm guessing you're a Windows user that just wanted to pick a fight.

Not really. I use both daily.

 

[Nothinman]

Apple was able to compile a good blend of open source products, build a seamless, feature rich product that's super easy to use and mass market it for profit. THAT is innovation.

They make their profit off of the hardware, not the software. Hell I would bet that they've sold 1000x as many ipods as they have Macs. And I don't know if I would call Apple user's "mass market".

 

[Tbirdkid]

Mac OSX is ok, for a laptop. For a desktop, it just plain sucks. Its funny you spend all this money on hardware and my pc will blow the doors off yours in just about every single bench.

 

[sourceninja]

I only started to like OSX after I pretended like I didn't have any exp in unix.

After that it all started to make sense. Now I kinda enjoy it. Although its too pricey for me, especially when my amd64 was less then 1400.00 and smokes with gentoo on it. Plus I got windows hiding on some partition just in case I really need to get my game on one of those new video games that cedega doesn't support yet. Personaly though, I wish a lot of my unix knowledge wasn't useless with a mac. I am excited in the x86 switch though. Not because I think it will make apple better, i'm just hoping the cost drops a little so I can get me a nice laptop.

anyways, I dont know where I was going with this. I just like to hear myself talk.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
eh..do you guys think anyone cares about what you think? It's the majority that counts and Apple is re-emerging as the universal platform of choice across the world especially to integrate perfectly with their various appliance products dominating every market. Can't hold a candle to that now can you?

Oh yes, the "universal platform of choice across the world"? Apparently people went with an OS other than their choice and used Windows XP instead? :roll:

Why would I care any more what you think than what Nothinman does?

Originally posted by: Tbirdkid
Mac OSX is ok, for a laptop. For a desktop, it just plain sucks. Its funny you spend all this money on hardware and my pc will blow the doors off yours in just about every single bench.

Yup...perhaps there's a reason it's not the "universal platform"? Gee whiz...
I bet Apple would have a much bigger market share by allowing Mac OSX on PCs other than the Mac.

Besides, why would I want to limit myself to kindergarten games and if you're lucky, the few OpenGL games that are out there? I see the response now..."you're in kindergarten, that's why." Does Mac OSX even have Cedega or wine?

(The term "Linux" used herein refers to the most common Linux distributions such as Mandriva and Fedora Core)

IMO there is nothing about Mandriva Linux that is less friendly than Mac OSX. The interface may seem intimidating at first, but it's not that bad at all. If kids learned Linux when they were young, they would know it just as well as they know Windows. Now that they're old, learning Linux is harder.

Ease of use obviously assumes the display adapter has working drivers and XWindows is started correctly. But what do you expect? A free OS that has to support every device, or a $120 product coming from a company that has tight control of every device... besides, Linux is just as good in this regard. The only actual trouble is setting up the accelerated drivers (which took me about 10 mins with my NVIDIA card). The VGA XWindows will almost always start just fine. It's the same situation as Windows.

It's also kinda pathetic a free Linux download includes more bundled software than either the retail Windows or Mac OSX. Saves you time installing all the crap. If I have to reinstall Linux for whatever reason, I'm almost already set to go. This is definitely a big win for Linux.

It's also a good thing that at least Linux tries to make the transition easy by supporting and emulating proprietary Windows apps (download wine) and using infamous Windows key strokes.

 

[Tbirdkid]

zipppppppiiiiiitttttttt!!!!!!!

 

[Nothinman]

I bet Apple would have a much bigger market share by allowing Mac OSX on PCs other than the Mac.

Or by adding a second and possibly third button to their touchpads and mice.

Does Mac OSX even have Cedega or wine?

Once on Intel it probably will, but right now it's impossible because you would also have to emulate the x86 instructions that the Win32 apps are expecting and WINE doesn't do that.

 

[makken]

lololololol
this thread is hilarious. I hope deathkoba comes back for more.

I have nothing aganist OSX, but this is just too funny.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
Or by adding a second and possibly third button to their touchpads and mice.

I too find it amazing Apple just did that a couple days ago. I bet that mouse will cost $100.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Nothinman
Or by adding a second and possibly third button to their touchpads and mice.

I too find it amazing Apple just did that a couple days ago. I bet that mouse will cost $100.

$49.00 USD.

You know you can use just about any USB mouse on a modern Apple system, right? No need for more than 1 button anyways.

 

[Nothinman]

You know you can use just about any USB mouse on a modern Apple system, right? No need for more than 1 button anyways.

I use a USB mouse on my current notebook a lot, but the touchpad has 2 buttons and a scrollwhell so I can actually use it when I need. Only having one button is extremely crippling, I use button 2 just as much as button 1 on my mouse.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

You know you can use just about any USB mouse on a modern Apple system, right? No need for more than 1 button anyways.

I use a USB mouse on my current notebook a lot, but the touchpad has 2 buttons and a scrollwhell so I can actually use it when I need. Only having one button is extremely crippling, I use button 2 just as much as button 1 on my mouse.

Command + Mouse Button = Middle click
Ctrl + Mouse Button = Right click

It's easy, your hand is probably already on the keyboard.