Best GPU for under $150

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DooKey

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Great memory. I did and a friend game me an old quadro card. I was using it more for video editing anyhow. Now I am ready for a new upgrade. This card isn't hacking it anymore and I want to game properly.

Thank you to everyone for their thoughts thus far. Seems like a very interesting battle to say the least. I have never OC'd a graphics card before, but if you get a 35% increase in speed with that card, it seems like the right way to go. It was mentioned that NVIDIA plays nicer with games than AMD. Not true? Rumor?



That seems damn cheap! Which site is this that you are referring to? Either card seems like it would be a steal at that rate.

I was speaking in US dollars

Go here to get the card.

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=76827&vpn=65IGH8DL7AXX&manufacture=Galaxy Technology&promoid=1270

Be sure to make an account then send an invite to a friend. Your friend has to complete the registration process for you to get the extra $20 coupon.
 

MadScientist

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if you want to go strictly by the thread title then the Radeon HD 7850 is the best video card for <$150.

But since the price of the Geforce GTX 650 TI has dropped it makes the OP's decision a bit harder.

I picked up a MSI GTX 650 Ti Power Edition with the cyclone cooler from Amazon for $110.AR, and used $30. Discover cash back to bring it down to $80.AR shipped.

The load voltage on my card is locked. The voltage control option in MSI Afterburner has no effect on the GPU core voltage. I put the card under 100% load and monitored the GPU core voltage at both +0 and +100 offset; it never changed from a maximum reading of 1.062V. Also the Power Limit (%) is grayed out. This is because the 650 Ti does not have the Boost Clock feature.

But even with the locked core voltage I was able to overclock the core clock to 1223Mhz and the memory clock to 1650Mhz. If my math's correct, that's a 32% core clock increase over the 925 reference. I left the fan on Auto. After an hour at full load the fan speed was at 37% and the GPU temp was 51C.

The 650 TI does not support SLI.

OP,
I would read these reviews first before making a decision.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-650-ti-benchmark-gk106,3318.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-review-benchmark,3148.html

Tom's January picks for best video cards from $110. to $180. These prices have since changed.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-3.html
 
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RussianSensation

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Disagree, I couldn't play Rage properly, and now I have some other issues with my 5000s

Out of all the games you picked Rage? Rage is one of the most broken games in the world because of a failed MegaTexture prefetch issue that's completely broken on AMD cards. It has nothing to do with drivers but how the game is coded. John Carmack even admitted himself Rage's coding was fubared because he never expected GPUs to get so fast during the development process and experience such large increases in VRAM (which basically negated the entire texture bandwidth/prefetch system he created for Rage). Your example is akin to buying a $500 Asus Matrix HD7970 Platinum, overclocking it to 1300mhz and then firing up GTA IV (one of the most broken console ports in existence on the PC) and then complaining about AMD drivers when that same card flies in 98% of all other PC games. You are confusing poorly coded / broken games with poor drivers. None of these issues pertain to any of the games OP listed.

Also, there are plenty of threads with tweaks explaining how to fix Rage on AMD cards. This would be no different than me finding 1 out of 100 games that runs like crap on NV cards (like Dirt Showdown) and then keep telling you that NV drivers are sub-par. That's cherry-picking and extrapolating a single game to 100s of games. You could talk about Dirt Showdown if you wanted to compare compute performance of GCN to GK104 but not to prove a point about NV's drivers lacking.

If the OP goes with HD7850, he gets Bioshock Infinite and Tomb Raider for free. If he doesn't like those games, he can sell the coupon and end up with a GPU that's 35% faster on avg and 20 fps faster in Skyrim for barely more $ than a GTX650Ti. Using this move, he can actually get a $165 HD7850 2GB, sell the coupon, and end up with a GPU that's ideal for Skyrim mods, and has a bucketload of overclocking headroom. That would be the best possible videocard under $150.
 
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SPBHM

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Out of all the games you picked Rage?

yes, because it's a game I was looking forward to play at the time, and when it was released I tried many different driver versions, some were semi-playable others a disaster, at the same time I would see people with 8800GT's playing the game just fine. last time I tried to play the game, less than 6 months ago, it was still a mess...

also, it's only one example, I had a fair amount of other problems (and still have), and if you look here on this forum, I see a lot more complaints about "DX9 artifact and frame times" in one side, sure AMD seems to be fixing, but they have been slow to react, just remember the "Enduro" debacle,

so I think it's fair to consider NV above AMD when it comes to software at the moment.

I can't talk about Dirt Showdown because I simply don't care about the game,
but even one AMD sponsored game gave me some small problems (Sleeping Dogs would show some image issues when using the highest AO I think, they probably fixed by now? but not at the time)

I don't have problems with GTA4,
 

RussianSensation

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just remember the "Enduro" debacle,

Of course I do. The same people who bought 9-10 lbs gaming laptops that are worthless for portability complained about Enduro not working properly. So to get 1.5 hours out of their 9-10 lbs gaming laptop, they would then go out and spend $350-400 for a GTX680M which is barely 5% faster than HD7970M.

Enduro driver issues have nothing to do with AMD's desktop cards but you brought it up anyway. Should I have brought up how NV's laptop drivers killed their cards, or started talking about NV's hardware being more fragile (bumpgate scandal, GTX570/590's VRMs failing from overclocking, etc.)? No, because none of these things, or laptop drivers, have anything to do with GTX650Ti vs. HD7850 or the games the OP listed. Yet, you seem to be mixing and matching different issues and piling them all under the same roof.

so I think it's fair to consider NV above AMD when it comes to software at the moment.

Even if true, it doesn't magically produce 20 extra fps in Skyrim. GTX650Ti is a budget videocard. It's like making an argument that someone should have bought a GTX550Ti over HD6870 because you felt that NV had better drivers. You are recommending a card that's in a budget performance class against a mid-range one with OCing potential to reach GTX580/800mhz 7950. Using your logic, there are no AMD GPUs worth buying because you'll just keep recommending saving $ and getting a cheaper NV card or keep restating that NV's drivers are better so why buy an AMD card?

but even one AMD sponsored game gave me some small problems (Sleeping Dogs would show some image issues when using the highest AO I think, they probably fixed by now? but not at the time)

What about Shogun 2 that had horrible performance on GTX600 cards for nearly 5 months? You seem to be coming from a position that you have a very unfavourable gaming experience with AMD cards, which is fair if that's your experience, but yet you make it sound like NV cards have no driver issues of their own. When you had your HD5000 card, I was gaming on GTX470s and I had plenty performance/driver issues of my own. You make it sound like if you had gone with NV that time, you would have had a smooth experience. Again, you still haven't explained what driver issues HD7850 has in the games OP intends to play, and yet you didn't address the very large performance gap GTX650Ti will have in Skyrim or how without 2GB of VRAM it will be limited to very few mods.

You also didn't address the value proposition of killing 2 birds with 1 stone: Getting a 7850 2GB and selling off the 2-game coupon, bringing the price down below $150, and then taking full advantage of 2GB of VRAM for Skyrim mods.

The minimum framerates on HD7850 1GB/2GB in Skyrim are higher than GTX650Ti's average:



The difference in performance between 40 fps range compared to mid-60s is a big deal because that's before ENB mods, etc. Also, you seem to be a strong proponent of bringing out the value card on GTX650Ti by saving $35 on the purchase, yet you didn't mention that a $150 HD7850 performs as well as a $195 GTX660 in this game, or that even the price/performance is worse for GTX650Ti since $150 is 30% more expensive than $115 but you get a 35% average increase in performance with the 7850 + 2 free games (Bioshock Infinite and Tomb Raider).

EDIT: Sapphire HD7850 seems to have dropped to $154, which is even lower than the XFX card I linked and it comes with a much better GPU cooler that should let this card OC to 1150-1200mhz. It should be a piece of cake to sell Bioshock+Tomb Raider for $20, bringing this card's price to just $134.
 
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Ppl who recommend 650ti to gamers have no common sense, its an utterly neutered card and a waste of money when it already struggles in OLD games, not a chance to run well in new stuff. Same for the 7770, these cards just dont have power.

Mid-range, 660ti or 7950 etc depending on your preferences, fair enough. On the low end, 7850 is untouchable, with its huge OC headroom and excellent performance scaling. You are getting gtx580+ performance with a simple OC on 7850. For ~$150 its a damn bargain.
 

SPBHM

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Enduro driver issues have nothing to do with AMD's desktop cards but you brought it up anyway. Should I have brought up how NV's laptop drivers killed their cards, or started talking about NV's hardware being more fragile (bumpgate scandal, GTX570/590's VRMs failing from overclocking, etc.)? No, because none of these things, or laptop drivers, have anything to do with GTX650Ti vs. HD7850 or the games the OP listed. Yet, you seem to be mixing and matching different issues and piling them all under the same roof.

what about the 7000 series issues commonly seen here on this forum (flicker, DX9 artifact and whatever?) that's way more relevant (and form what I saw AMD's reaction as with Enduro was never perfect) and the experience with current Geforces has been less problematic, but still, you don't get it, I'm just using it as one of the few arguments I have in favor of one card or the other, in the end you look at all the aspects to make a decision, I never said one option is absolutely the right one for him (my first post recommending the 650 ti was simply due to it being the best at regular or average prices for that range), I'm just showing pros and cons,
VRMs are not a driver fault, and I could point to the 7870's with bad resistors causing a lot of trouble, about the driver killing GPUs, you mean the fan speed thing? that was also a while ago, it's bad, but again, overall it's clear that NV have less issues with software, and that's all I'm trying to say, it's one of the aspects to consider, not the only one!

(my main PC uses an AMD card, I had plenty of good and bad experiences with both on the last decade)

Even if true, it doesn't magically produce 20 extra fps in Skyrim. GTX650Ti is a budget videocard. It's like making an argument that someone should have bought a GTX550Ti over HD6870 because you felt that NV had better drivers. You are recommending a card that's in a budget performance class against a mid-range one with OCing potential to reach GTX580/800mhz 7950. Using your logic, there are no AMD GPUs worth buying because you'll just keep recommending saving $ and getting a cheaper NV card or keep restating that NV's drivers are better so why buy an AMD card?

again, I'm not only talking about FPS, but about other aspects like price, power usage, size and software reliability.

and I do believe the 650 Ti performs adequately for a sub $150 card on Skyrim (although it's clearly slower than the 7850).


Again, you still haven't explained what driver issues HD7850 has in the games OP intends to play, and yet you didn't address the very large performance gap GTX650Ti will have in Skyrim or how without 2GB of VRAM it will be limited to very few mods.

About Shogun 2 I can't comment, since I don't really know.
I acknowledge the performance gap, I don't know what else you expect? the 650 Ti still looks good enough, I'm not seeing a 100% difference.
your recommendation was not a 2GB card.

You also didn't address the value proposition of killing 2 birds with 1 stone: Getting a 7850 2GB and selling off the 2-game coupon, bringing the price down below $150, and then taking full advantage of 2GB of VRAM for Skyrim mods.

again, it's not always so simple, as I said the 650 Ti is an easy card to find for $150 or lower, without rebates or selling stuff, that's up to the OP.

also, looking at the graph you posted it just shows how testing can vary, this shows the memory impact, specifically with the HD textures DLC as being huge
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6359/50609.png
while the graphic from hardwarecanucks shows no difference!?



The difference in performance between 40 fps range compared to mid-60s is a big deal because that's before ENB mods, etc. Also, you seem to be a strong proponent of bringing out the value card on GTX650Ti by saving $35 on the purchase, yet you didn't mention that a $150 HD7850 performs as well as a $195 GTX660 in this game, or that even the price/performance is worse for GTX650Ti since $150 is 30% more expensive than $115 but you get a 35% average increase in performance with the 7850 + 2 free games (Bioshock Infinite and Tomb Raider).

the 660 was never being discussed in this topic (it's clearly not a $150 card)

ENB series is not everyones cup of tea, and 1200p with MSAA 4x is to much for the 650 TI sure,


Silverforce11 and MrK6, your are both using $300 cards, but sometimes people want to expend the least possible and still play games, I think the 7770 and the 650 Ti are fine cards for what they are, both can play current games fine without pushing to much on settings and are clearly faster than the slower cards and cheaper than the others,

now, I will always agree that the 7850 is a great card, even more if you are into overclocking, but there are more considerations to make before making such a simplistic recommendation, if he wants to save some money and is worried about some of the other things I mentioned, I think the 650 Ti is a good choice, the 7850 is also a great deal, if you find one for the prices suggested here, it's an easy choice as a gaming card for the price/performance.
 

bgt

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Trying to get my MSI to 1250mhz but it stalls. I don't know where to change VDDC? I use Trixx.
Furmark @1200Mhz = 2341 is this OK? Card was &#8364; 151,-
 
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bgt

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Ok, found the VDDC slider in Trixx. Put it on 1.20V now. Testing @core=1300mhz. Card = MSI R7850-1GD5/OC with Arctic Cooling/Accelero S1+Turbo module(fan=eloop Noiseblocker)
Strange, when testing @1300 core and 1.20V VDDC and board power LI@+10 I get lower Furmark values?
Best up till now is @1200, board power LI @+10, anyone has better settings? GPU temp is about 52C@full load@1200mhz core
default VDDC=1.138V@full load
System is dead quiet under full load. PC is with full Noiseblocker eLoop fans setup=no noise
 
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RussianSensation

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bgt, 1200mhz is already a very solid overclock. You could put more voltage into the GPU but it probably wouldn't be worth it. I think you hit a very nice sweetspot. Also, imo you should use more GPU intensive apps like Crysis 2 or Unigine Heaven instead of Furmark because if you notice in MSI Afterburner, AMD/NV have GPU clock throttling enabled to prevent component failure from the unrealistic synthetic nature of Furmark. The downside is it's very possible your GPU's 1200mhz clocks aren't even constant when you run Furmark. Try running real world games or benchmarks without GPU clock thermal throttling. To test for memory bandwidth stability, I like Unigine Heaven Tropics or Aliens vs. Predator stand-alone benchmark. Metro 2033 is also great for testing the GPU.
 
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