Best LCD monitor for $2000?

Apex

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The Dell 2000fp is $1334.20 shipped right now, and it uses the same panel as the $2150+ Viewsonic 20.1" LCD. Why not just buy two Dell's?
 

Gosharkss

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<< get a plasma display. >>



Plasma monitors do not make as good a desktop monitor as a TFT LCD. Plasma monitors tend to be large >33? and tend to be lower resolution than LCD or CRT monitors. Plasma monitors are power hungry devices 2 ? 3 times more than a CRT monitor making this technology unfit for use in portable devices like laptop computers where batteries are used as the power source. Plasma monitors are extremely susceptible to screen burn.

Plasma is better suited to information displays like the ones in airports or Televisions.

 

Halogen

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why the heck would you blow 2 grand on a monitor????? why not just buy a pretty good computer with a 19" high quality but really big monitor

i have a monitor that is 19" with VERY clear picture but its not a flag screen and its like 2 feet long LOL!!! but it only cost $350 a year ago in Canadian funds
 

TheVirginian

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That's not his question. His question implies he wants an LCD monitor and the best he can get for his budget ($2000). Maybe he doesn't have enough deskspace.

I bought an SGI 1600 a year ago. It is now discontinued but they have a new model replacing it, the F180. The 1600 had great reviews at the time. I don't know if I would trust SGI too much though, because they are apparently in Chapter 11. Still, they have great products. Check them out at sgi.com.
 

Apex

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<< That's not his question. His question implies he wants an LCD monitor and the best he can get for his budget ($2000). Maybe he doesn't have enough deskspace.

I bought an SGI 1600 a year ago. It is now discontinued but they have a new model replacing it, the F180. The 1600 had great reviews at the time. I don't know if I would trust SGI too much though, because they are apparently in Chapter 11. Still, they have great products. Check them out at sgi.com.
>>



The F180 has a brightness of 200nits, and a contrast of 300:1, with no mention of response time. It's actually a huge step backwards from your excellent 1600.
 

Conroy9

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Are you sure the Dell uses the same panel as the ViewSonics? The Dell page does not have much specific information on it... And which viewsonic would it be similar to? the vp201m?
 

Apex

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<< Are you sure the Dell uses the same panel as the ViewSonics? The Dell page does not have much specific information on it... And which viewsonic would it be similar to? the vp201m? >>



Yeah, here we go:

Dell 2000fp

20.1" 1600x1200 LCD
250nits brightness
350:1 contrast
25ms response
160 degree viewing


Viewsonic VP201mb

20.1" 1600x1200 LCD
250nits brightness
350:1 contrast
30ms response (they had it at 25ms about 2 weeks, ago, they just downgraded the specs)
160 degree viewing

There are some bezel differences (the viewsonic has pivoting bezel and integrated speakers) as well as interface (both have VGA and DVI, but Dell has S-Video and Composite as well).
 

Conroy9

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wow, that is tempting..
I thought i remembered the viewsonic advertising 30ms latency even several months ago (not that it matters)

I know they always advertised 25ms for the 230mb

I've just been waiting for feed-forward technology to come out in a couple months, but this price makes it really hard

I think the Dell looks cooler too.

 

arcenite

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By any chance do you drive an import car with 8 million dollars worth of upgrades, that you could have spent on a Lamborghini, ferrari, porsche, and McLaren?

Just wondering.
 

Lore

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If you read this article, you'll see that the new FFD technology which will dramatically increase the on/off rates in the LCD panel will be mass-marketed first quarter of 2002. As the article states, it's all in the controller so the same high-quality (or low quality!) LCD panel will simply be faster with this new technology.
 

Conroy9

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Well yeah, that's what I was talking about

but do you know i f existing monitors will be upgradable via firmware or some replacable part?

And that is the only article I've seen in the past 2 months.. Have you seen any update on the technology?
 

Dre

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The Sony N-80. It's a 18.1" LCD for about $1,300.00. It's super slim. This is all based on what others have said, as I don't personally own one.

I own a Planar 17.4" and it's great. Really happy with it.
 

pdqcarrera

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If I had your money I would purchase a VIEWSONIC VP181 18" SXGA Analog TFT. List price is $1,935 and they're readily available under $1,500.

Happy New Year Everyone!!

 

pdqcarrera

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BTW -- since I don't have your money and am relying on my own limited resources I'm looking for the best 18" LCD under $500.00. I wonder how long I'll hafta wait...
 

Yoshi

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Don't let those guys above bother you. If you have the money to spend, spend it. You know they would if they had the it

Right now I am using a Planar 18.1" TFT LCD display. This is quite a popular model and I am very happy with mine. Text is razor sharp and the color is great. I got this display from dell.com for about $900 dollars shipped, this is about half your budget but they also offer a larger 19" model at a higher price.

Happy hunting.
 

FreshPrince

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one thing that worries me about ffd technology (and maybe I'm not understanding it correctly) is the database the controller gets the info from to drop each cell from white to black, but stops it just before to achieve correct grey cell. Well....if that's the case then fine, but color as I understand it is not just grey....so are the engineers going to include the database to all color spectrums? If so, how big can this database get and how fast will the controller be able to retrieve this info? Remember ffd in that article was tested on a 0 to 255 scale...is this scale comparable to the 256 color setting in graphics card settings? if so, then what about 16-bit, 32-bit, and soon 64-bit color? It seems like a good idea if the world of colors is only comprised of black, white and grey...when it comes to 64-bit color, the number of combinations in shades of color increases greatly. Which means a bigger database that requires larger ROM and possibly slower data access rate from controller to ROM.

This is the 1st time I've thought about this so I could be completely wrong
 

Fun Guy

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Okay, I guess I will weigh in on this.

IMHO the best thing you could do with $2000 is get two 17" LCD flat panels and a card that will run both, like a Matrox G450/G550. I will tell you which brands in a minute, right after I tell you why I think you should get 17" displays instead of 18".

All 17" and 18" displays have as a native resolution 1280 x 1024. This is the only resolution you should really run either of these at, since running them at anything other than 1280 x 1024 will give you a terrible image. Reason being, on each of these displays there are 1280 electrical junction points horizontally and 1024 electrical junction points vertically, for a total of 1,310,720 dots or pixels (plus or minus a few on the edges so you can move of the the desktop right or left a few pixels). Running at a resolution other than 1280 x 1024 will force you to do some kind of software interpolation or extrapolation, which manufacturers call 'digital linear smoothing' or some other such thing, but believe me, it is really ugly and you do not want to do it.

Okay, so now we know that you are going to run your displays at 1280 x 1024. Why 17" instead of 18"? Well, because the picture is clearer. Why? Well, because the 'pixel pitch' (distance between the electrical junction points) on the 18" displays is .2805mm, and the pixel pitch on the 17" displays is .2640mm. What does this mean? This means that the dots are closer together and as a result, you have a 'finer' picture - a clearer picture - with the 17" displays than you do with the 18" ones.

Okay, let's say you agree with me. Which displays?

I really like Samsungs. Their quality is excellent and consistent. The new 170T has impressive specs - 220 candle power, 400:1 contrast ratio, 160 degree viewing angle, both analog and digital inputs, just a fine monitor. And you can pick one up for about $800. Here is the link: Samsung 170T

Another interesting player is Iiyama. I have owned their products since 1994 and like them immensely. They have some new products out and you might want to check to see when they are releasing the new 'thin bezel' line. Some of their monitors also rotate landscape to portrait, very cool for working with documents. You can find them here: IIyama Monitors

Okay, so let's say you get two Samsung 170T's and the Matrox G550 Dual DVI. You've spent about $1750 (before tax and shipping) and what do you get? A 2560 x 1024 desktop that takes up very little space. Very nice for doing work between spreadsheet and data applications, web browsing between multiple windows, and other stuff. If you get two Iiyama monitors that rotate (like the Pro Lite 4332UT), you get a 2560 x 1024 desktop, a 2048 x 1280 desktop, or any combination of the two (the software supports independent rotation of each monitor).

Dude, this rocks.
 

Mister T

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<< Okay, I guess I will weigh in on this.

IMHO the best thing you could do with $2000 is get two 17" LCD flat panels and a card that will run both, like a Matrox G450/G550. I will tell you which brands in a minute, right after I tell you why I think you should get 17" displays instead of 18".

All 17" and 18" displays have as a native resolution 1280 x 1024. This is the only resolution you should really run either of these at, since running them at anything other than 1280 x 1024 will give you a terrible image. Reason being, on each of these displays there are 1280 electrical junction points horizontally and 1024 electrical junction points vertically, for a total of 1,310,720 dots or pixels (plus or minus a few on the edges so you can move of the the desktop right or left a few pixels). Running at a resolution other than 1280 x 1024 will force you to do some kind of software interpolation or extrapolation, which manufacturers call 'digital linear smoothing' or some other such thing, but believe me, it is really ugly and you do not want to do it.

Okay, so now we know that you are going to run your displays at 1280 x 1024. Why 17" instead of 18"? Well, because the picture is clearer. Why? Well, because the 'pixel pitch' (distance between the electrical junction points) on the 18" displays is .2805mm, and the pixel pitch on the 17" displays is .2640mm. What does this mean? This means that the dots are closer together and as a result, you have a 'finer' picture - a clearer picture - with the 17" displays than you do with the 18" ones.

Okay, let's say you agree with me. Which displays?

I really like Samsungs. Their quality is excellent and consistent. The new 170T has impressive specs - 220 candle power, 400:1 contrast ratio, 160 degree viewing angle, both analog and digital inputs, just a fine monitor. And you can pick one up for about $800. Here is the link: Samsung 170T

Another interesting player is Iiyama. I have owned their products since 1994 and like them immensely. They have some new products out and you might want to check to see when they are releasing the new 'thin bezel' line. Some of their monitors also rotate landscape to portrait, very cool for working with documents. You can find them here: IIyama Monitors

Okay, so let's say you get two Samsung 170T's and the Matrox G550 Dual DVI. You've spent about $1750 (before tax and shipping) and what do you get? A 2560 x 1024 desktop that takes up very little space. Very nice for doing work between spreadsheet and data applications, web browsing between multiple windows, and other stuff. If you get two Iiyama monitors that rotate (like the Pro Lite 4332UT), you get a 2560 x 1024 desktop, a 2048 x 1280 desktop, or any combination of the two (the software supports independent rotation of each monitor).

Dude, this rocks.
>>



Dude, you rock
I actually had a similar dual setup going: (2) 170T's + Matrox G450
Then I decided to bring one to work because my work had $hitty ass monitors.
I am thinking of building a computer to bring to work that has a G550 DVI, and bring in my other 170T -
Hook it up dual in my cubicle. My work only provides me with an IBM T21 Laptop... that can't handle dual DVI.

The only reason I do would do this is because I spend 70-80+ hours at work.
 
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