Best modern RPG

[TidusZ]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
GW is nothing like Diablo or Titan Quest.
I cant even figure out why people would make such a comparison.

Also, Titan Quest is exactly like Diablo 2 in every way except its far superior.
Only nostalgic fanboys would say Diablo 2 is better.

I am not nostalgic. I am a GenX kid. I have no issue remembering bad things in my life. And I dont pretend things were better back in the good old days.
The only reason I like Baldurs Gate 2 and Deus Ex more than some current games is because they are better. If someone ever makes better games I will love them.
Incidentally, it looks like Dragon Age and Deus Ex 3 have potential.

Titan Quest is better.
Deal with it.

As for the OP's issue:
Oblivion and Fallout 3 are nice while you can get into them, but many folks get bored after a while and rush through the main quest. Once you do that there is no purpose to finishing all the dinky little side quests.
Mass Effect is good for just the main quests. The side quests are incredibly repetative and boring. Also, there is no point in playing it more than once. The character classes are not so different from each other that it makes the game more interesting. At least with KOTOR 1 and 2 it was fun to play once each as light side and dark side.

Oh shortylickens, we've been down this road before. I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree. Ahem. Diablo 2 >>> Sacred 2 > TQ

 

[nageov3t]

my primary beef with Oblivion is how it basically forces you into 1st person... there's a 3rd person option, but the game is obviously not designed for it and it's a bit clunky in my experience. 1st person games are just something I've always hated, starting with those old D&D games for DOS.

limited to computer games, I'd have to go with KOTOR... but where the fuck is KOTOR3 already? :|

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: loki8481

limited to computer games, I'd have to go with KOTOR... but where the fuck is KOTOR3 already? :|

Gay MMO is taking up their time.

 

[Sylvanas]

Originally posted by: loki8481
my primary beef with Oblivion is how it basically forces you into 1st person... there's a 3rd person option, but the game is obviously not designed for it and it's a bit clunky in my experience. 1st person games are just something I've always hated, starting with those old D&D games for DOS.

limited to computer games, I'd have to go with KOTOR... but where the fuck is KOTOR3 already? :|

They are doin an MMO (fail) called Knights of 'The old Republic' :thumbsdown: currently in development- theres a website up and all. However they are coming along with Mass Effect 2 which is still an RPG.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
GW is nothing like Diablo or Titan Quest.
I cant even figure out why people would make such a comparison.

Also, Titan Quest is exactly like Diablo 2 in every way except its far superior.
Only nostalgic fanboys would say Diablo 2 is better.

I am not nostalgic. I am a GenX kid. I have no issue remembering bad things in my life. And I dont pretend things were better back in the good old days.
The only reason I like Baldurs Gate 2 and Deus Ex more than some current games is because they are better. If someone ever makes better games I will love them.
Incidentally, it looks like Dragon Age and Deus Ex 3 have potential.

Titan Quest is better.
Deal with it.

Titan Quest did improve upon Diablo II in many ways (which I listed before). However, I wouldn't go as far to say that Titan Quest is better than D2.

Titan Quest lacks the atmosphere that Diablo 2 had, as well as the decent story. The story of TQ is pure crap. There isn't even really a story beyond OH NOES TITANS LETS KILL EM. Also, the environment seemed sort of empty, and the villages and towns had no life to them. The townspeople also said really boring, empty things.

D2 is better in all of these areas. The story of Diablo II is decent. The townspeople say things that matter and tell interesting stories. From a story perspective, Diablo II is miles better than TQ.

I say that D2 is better overall because the improvements TQ add could be really easily implemented into Diablo (with the exception of the unique TQ class system). However, it is much harder to add a decent story and text into a game.

Originally posted by: Powernick50
Best Modern RPG: Oblivion. Hands down.

I'm going to need to state my case as most people have a love hate relationship with it.

At the time it was revolutionary. A very very beautiful immersive gameworld that is still considered very top quality visually even by today's standards.
It has a very good mod community which allows many improvements that some consider necessary to improve on the developers shortcomings.
Very good replay value, good story (not as good as KOTOR for sure) and tons of stuff to do.

The world is pretty, but it is also very bland, boring and far from immersive. The story is just a boring and uninteresting (with the exception of the Dark Brotherhood quest line).

Also, I wouldn't say there is much replay value, as you can do pretty much everything with one character.

However, the modding community is great, offering fixes for things that many people find wrong with Oblivion, as well as a lot of extra gameplay hours.

I would still recommend it to the OP.

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
GW is nothing like Diablo or Titan Quest.
I cant even figure out why people would make such a comparison.

Also, Titan Quest is exactly like Diablo 2 in every way except its far superior.
Only nostalgic fanboys would say Diablo 2 is better.

I am not nostalgic. I am a GenX kid. I have no issue remembering bad things in my life. And I dont pretend things were better back in the good old days.
The only reason I like Baldurs Gate 2 and Deus Ex more than some current games is because they are better. If someone ever makes better games I will love them.
Incidentally, it looks like Dragon Age and Deus Ex 3 have potential.

Titan Quest is better.
Deal with it.

As for the OP's issue:
Oblivion and Fallout 3 are nice while you can get into them, but many folks get bored after a while and rush through the main quest. Once you do that there is no purpose to finishing all the dinky little side quests.
Mass Effect is good for just the main quests. The side quests are incredibly repetative and boring. Also, there is no point in playing it more than once. The character classes are not so different from each other that it makes the game more interesting. At least with KOTOR 1 and 2 it was fun to play once each as light side and dark side.

Close minded aren't you, or you just don't understand the concept of opinions and personal preferences?

First, you tell us: «Only nostalgic fanboys would say Diablo 2 is better.»

Then you go on and say: «The only reason I like Baldurs Gate 2 and Deus Ex more than some current games is because they are better.»

Right, so other players around are fanboys and nostalgic if they think D2 is better, but you, monsieur the almighty "I have the right to be right all the time" can possibly think BG2 and DE2 are better, but that doesn't make you nostalgic and/or fanboy. That's your opinion, and you're completely entitled to it, but you're not different than the other players around, and those persons also have their personal preferences. If they prefer D2 over Titan Quest it's not because they're nostalgic or fanboys, or even both, but because for them it's better, that's it, deal with it.

I for one prefer D2 over TQ, and I even prefer Sacred 2 over TQ, not only because it's better, but because TQ's developers, namely Iron Lore couldn't get the founding necessary for their next project and they closed their doors after working on Soulstorm, and while it ain't the developers' fault, it made the community realize how horribly buggy the damn thing was and in urgent need of patches, which the community had to work on to resolve the unresolved issues, and not everyone is even aware that a community patch exists at all, and I wouldn't like to be in their shoes, because I've experienced the game without that patch and it's a mess.

At least D2 still gets support from Blizzard, and Sacred 2's developers are still there to provide patches and perhaps more content, Titan Quest is dead outside of the community, and that community isn't including each and every single TQ players obviously, making it a "still alive" product for only that group of players and no one else, the rest think it's definitely dead and a buggy mess and chances are that they're having fun with other games. If not, that's their choice, good for them, I won't be the one trying to stop them from playing it, but I'll be the one coming here and trying to make people like you understand that in the end we all have opinions, and to humbly ask you to please not only deal with that but to respect that.

 

[JoshGuru7]

I think you guys missed the part where he played Oblivion and didn't like the leveling system. I caught it because I agree with the OP completely on that point

I'd add to the recommendations for Kotor 1, Neverwinter Nights 1 & 2, and possibly The Witcher. I didn't like the combat in The Witcher, but some people did and I can see how it would appeal to a D2 fan.

I find Titan Quest very boring. I've tried to play it off and on for a year and I'm still only about 30 minutes into the expansion. It's like soloing through an isometric MMO doing only the most boring types of kill quests and typically using only 3-4 different skills at any given time. The plus side is that you spend a lot of time sorting through trash in your inventory. At this point I doubt I will ever finish it, and normally I try to play through to the ending no matter how bad the game is just to see how it ends.

 

[StinkyPinky]

IMO, the best RPG in the last few years is Fallout 3.

Gothic 3 is a good game with the community patch, I enjoyed it more than Oblivion. The Witcher is pretty good but I found it a little overrated.

KOTOR, however, would rate as my best game this decade.

 

[shortylickens]

I won?t go over the reasons Titan Quest is better, BECAUSE.......
Every time I do I get gangbanged by immature fan boys who never acknowledge my laundry list of logical arguments. They simply state Diablo 2 is better then proceed to personally insult me.
It?s happened plenty of times.
I am tired of it.
This thread is a perfect example of how people are unable to come up with solid, logical arguments and points for persuasion.
I am sure some of you guys think I am "holier than thou" because I actually know how to use my brain and that terrifies you.

Having the same problem in the Blu-Ray thread in Off Topic. I am the only person able to make intelligent arguments there and everyone else just fills their posts with lists of why I suck. In the giant pissing contests of Anandtech, the person with the largest bladder seems to always win and that damn sure isn?t me.
Do a search in PC Games. I have already stated in detail why Titan Quest is better. I loved Diablo 2 when it came out. I played all classes up to about level 70.
Titan Quest came later. It is better.
The only real reason anybody can come up with Diablo 2 being better is because they played it first, therefore it rocks.
I think everyone should review the list of logical fallacies and see why that doesn?t make a lot of sense.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
Dragon Age once it releases. Seriously you have not missed much since 2003. The CRPG scene has been very stale outside of Mass Effect and The Witcher there has not been anything worth while IMHO.

These two games that he quoted however are very much worth your time. Mass Effect has a pretty big world but it focus's mainly on story. I think all in all it comes out as a better game than Oblivion did (without mods that is.)

There are some other RPGs out that I have not tried. The last remnant is by square and is out for PC but to be honest I have not heard good things about it.

If you missed it grab Vampire Bloodlines with the community patches to tide yourself over as well.

Personally I would not touch the Gothic series with a ten foot pole. I tried Gothic 2 and I have to say it was a terrible experience. Maybe the story is great but I couldn't play for more than 30 minutes in.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: Drift3r
Dragon Age once it releases. Seriously you have not missed much since 2003. The CRPG scene has been very stale outside of Mass Effect and The Witcher there has not been anything worth while IMHO.

These two games that he quoted however are very much worth your time. Mass Effect has a pretty big world but it focus's mainly on story. I think all in all it comes out as a better game than Oblivion did (without mods that is.)

There are some other RPGs out that I have not tried. The last remnant is by square and is out for PC but to be honest I have not heard good things about it.

If you missed it grab Vampire Bloodlines with the community patches to tide yourself over as well.

Personally I would not touch the Gothic series with a ten foot pole. I tried Gothic 2 and I have to say it was a terrible experience. Maybe the story is great but I couldn't play for more than 30 minutes in.

I was going to suggest VTMB but he said he wanted games that came out after 2003. If he hasn't played VTMB then that is a big must play CRPG game IMHO.

 

[QuantumPion]

I can't believe no one has mentioned NWN2+MOTB yet. Best CRPG since BG2. MOTB is really amazing, as good as PS:T.

 

[Rifter]

I might give Oblivion a shot on the PC, i played it on PS3 so obviosly with no mods, if i find it for under $5 i might try it for PC with mods. I think im going to give GW a try as i would like a RPG i can play with my gf. Keep the suggestions coming! also i was going to try Titans quest but if there is no more support i will probably stay away, would prefer something thats still supported.

 

[MustangSVT]

I have been playing Gothic 3 ever since 1.7 patch. now this is all open ended and although not as refined as oblivion, it feels amazing. I wish they would have more weapons and how it reacts but this is still good.

interestingly, I've been playing old SNES games much more these days. Last game I beat was Operation Logic Bomb. now starting soul blazer 3.

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
Dragon Age once it releases. Seriously you have not missed much since 2003. The CRPG scene has been very stale outside of Mass Effect and The Witcher there has not been anything worth while IMHO.

Agreed.

Mass Effect, while short, showed what today's technology was capable of in terms of character design and interaction.

The Witcher is one of the most important RPGs to ever be released because of the importance of the player's choices to gameplay outcome. You will hear some people gripe about the combat system in the Witcher...honestly, it's not that bad, but you are mostly spectating. The Witcher's main triumph was that it gave you so many interesting things to do other than combat. And I'm not talking about mini-games like dice poker or anything like that - I'm talking about entire plotlines that hinged around manipulating characters dispositions towards one another, investigating things by questioning witnesses whose responses would be different depending on your actions towards them in prior quests, whether or not you got them drunk when talking to them...a plotline entirely concerned with talking to old friends about your past and deciding what new identity to forge...getting involved with the local political scene and having it directly affect the outcome of the story...the list goes on.

Frankly, fighting in games is getting old. No matter what you play these days, you're constantly killing...whether it's first person, third person, gun, sword, whatever...it's easy for it to be overdone.

The Witcher has combat because it's necessary for the story - your character is, after all, a monster killer by profession who has run afoul of a secret organization with plans to conquer all they survey. But the meat of the game is in the situation - gathering information, who you choose to befriend and offend, and forging your future. Thus why it's so much more compelling, once you get into it, than your standard "who to kill" RPGs.

 

[Magusigne]

Get some freeware games.

Best RPG game of all time for me was Star Control 2 for 3DO. Now formerly known as Ur-Quan Masters (Star Control 2)

 

[nageov3t]

fuck, dragon age hasn't been released yet?

feels like it's been in development since I graduated high school.

 

[Rifter]

Powernick50

I agree with you this is an awesome RPG, i have its linux port installed right now and am playing through it again, for the 4th time.

Im looking for something newer though, i just got a 4830 and want to see what it can do, i dont think star control 2 is really testing it much

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: loki8481
fuck, dragon age hasn't been released yet?

feels like it's been in development since I graduated high school.

It was supposed to be out last month, but EA decided to hold the PC version back to line up with the console release in November.

 

[vj8usa]

I know you asked for modern RPGs, but have you played Morrowind? I ask this because you mention two other Bethesda titles, but in all honesty I consider Morrowind to be far superior to Oblivion. It's hard to explain, but the world in Morrowind just felt so much more vibrant and real than in Oblivion (and I'm not talking about graphics, of course). Also, I hated how everything in Oblivion was catered to your level.

Morrowind is probably tied as my favorite game of all time - I must have put close to a thousand hours into it over the years. Oblivion, on the other hand, I played for about 50-60 hours before getting bored.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: Rifterut
Powernick50

I agree with you this is an awesome RPG, i have its linux port installed right now and am playing through it again, for the 4th time.

Im looking for something newer though, i just got a 4830 and want to see what it can do, i dont think star control 2 is really testing it much

If you liked D2 then you will probably like Titan Quest. Don't be afraid that it is unsupported - the game works fine for me. Also it's pretty cheap. Last time I checked you could get the original game + the expansion for $20 on steam.

You could also play TQ with the gf, as it has online play.

If you like character interaction and dilalog, I would recommend Mass Effect. KotOR is better, but Mass Effect is flashier, which will be more satisfying on your new rig.

 

[Rifter]

I have not tried morrowind, if i can find it cheap i might go for it, i was however looking for something with newer graphics and preferably Co-op multiplayer, perhaps the RPG market is dieing off i dont understand why everyone goes nuts for First person shooters nowadays. I mean some are good but i dont like deathmatch, i lost a few years of my life to UT when it came out but i only played assault because at least you needed to use some tactics and skill if you wanted to do very good at it, ran awesome on my voodoo 3, those were the days

 

[Jumpem]

What's relatively new and like Dungeon Siege?

 

[Rifter]

i will look into dungeon siege and get back to you i have not herd of it, but like i said since 2003 i have been completly out of the PC market i got a PS2 and then a PS3

 

[Rifter]

it seems like dungeon siege could be what im looking for, is it a good game?